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Basic V-ray Problem

Postby holmes1977 » Thu May 07, 2009 8:37 am

Ok I havnt gone very far through the V-Ray for Sketchup tutorial PDF ( Written byChia Fu Chiang, Damien Alomar, Jorge Barrero) when I hit a problem.

When I right click on an object. A list of options come up (no surprise) one of them is supposed to be V-Ray for Sketchup so the manuel says. But no such option turns up for me.

Anyone know whats up.

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Re: Basic V-ray Problem

Postby Mr S » Thu May 07, 2009 8:56 am

You probably need a response from the Vray experts, but in the meantime...

Are you using the very latest version of Vray?
Are you reading the very latest version of the manual?
The guys who can help you will neeed to know this.

As far as I know, you only get the Vray for Sketchup option on your menu when you right-click on a Vray object such as lights.
This allows you to edit the settings of that object. (Colour, Intensity etc).

The menu you show in your sample is the render options menu.
That defines the "global" settings for your scene render.

The Materials menu is the one that interacts more with the objects in your scene. (Apply Vray textures with bump, displacement reflections values etc)

Hope this helps.

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Re: Basic V-ray Problem

Postby holmes1977 » Thu May 07, 2009 9:19 am

Hi thanks for such a quick reply.

I would post this question in the ASGvis forums but I havnt been able to register there yet. They have new web site with teething problems, which they hope to over come soon. Thats why Im posting here.

The V-Ray version is 01.05.30
SU7pro

The manual is the latest one and the model is a V-Ray example out of the manual. The manual says on page 15 to select all objects and right click which should (as the picture in the manual shows) bring up options, one being V-Ray for Sketchup

Oh well, I realise you can get around this, by just clicking on the material editor.

Just would be faster if I had that option.
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Re: Basic V-ray Problem

Postby thomthom » Thu May 07, 2009 9:44 am

holmes1977 wrote:Ok I havnt gone very far through the V-Ray for Sketchup tutorial PDF ( Written byChia Fu Chiang, Damien Alomar, Jorge Barrero) when I hit a problem.


That's the manual for the latest version. Unfortunately I don't know where you can obtain the manual now. Nor where to even download VfsU for that matter; as they just launched an site update a couple of days ago. They're still sorting out some kinks. You can use the only manual over at vray.com: http://www.vray.com/vray_for_sketchup/m ... ndex.shtml Not 100% the same, but appear to be based on the ASGVis manual.

The reason you don't see any Right click options anymore, other than for lights, is that V-Ray materials and Su materials are now automatically synced. So use either the SU or VRay material windows to create new materials.


holmes1977 wrote:Oh well, I realise you can get around this, by just clicking on the material editor.

Just would be faster if I had that option.

To bring up options? It's faster to just click the Options button in the toolbar, and doing two clicks in a context sub-menu. The fastest would be to assign a keyboard shortcut.
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Re: Basic V-ray Problem

Postby holmes1977 » Thu May 07, 2009 10:08 am

Cheers Thomthom
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Re: Basic V-ray Problem

Postby dalomar » Thu May 07, 2009 6:16 pm

Sorry for the website. We know about the issues and are working them out as quickly as we can.

The manual has not been updated for the most recent versions of VfSU and the options that it is referring to are the ones related to making linked materials. As of VfSU SR1, all of the materials are automatically linked, so there isn't a need to set this up as before. Now any modifications that you do to a SU material are echoed in V-Ray, and any modifications done in V-Ray that SU can understand are echoed to SU as well.
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Re: Basic V-ray Problem

Postby arail1 » Thu May 07, 2009 6:43 pm

Kind of confusing to say the least - a new version of V-Ray? SketchUp materials and Vray materials are linked?

Hopefully there will be something on your new site soon to explain all this in more detail.

When I open any of the SketchUp Scene Files (CurryPork's link above) I get a splash screen that says something like We Have Made Some Changes to the Way V-Ray Handles SketchUp Materials. Would You Like to Upgrade Now? Or something like that.

When I click Yes, the file creates a backup of the original and then upgrades itself. But then when I go to render the scene (this is the 3 chairs in the tutorial) the program hangs, the render screen doesn't appear and I have to force shut it down. I deleted all of the Scenes, redownloaded them and now I click No when that splash screen appears and everything seems okay.

Doe this suggest I should download V-Ray again? Uninstall and download? Do nothing? I'm using a trial version.

Any input about this would be appreciated.
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Re: Basic V-ray Problem

Postby arail1 » Thu May 07, 2009 6:46 pm

As to where you can get the most recent User Manual - go to the thread in this forum called ASGVIS Question (right before this one) and scroll down to the links CurryPork provided. The first link is to the Manual.
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Re: Basic V-ray Problem

Postby thomthom » Thu May 07, 2009 7:10 pm

The original version of VfSU wasn't parsing the scene properly. VfSU SR1.0 does parse everything, but at the cost of longer parsing time.
There is however a few things to dramatically cut down the parsing time:

Don't apply materials to groups and components. Apply material to the actual geometry instead. There's a plugin available that will transfer group/component to the actual geometry if you need it. This is a big thing.

Deeply nested components will also cause slowdowns. But not as bad as group/component materials.


Also, you may have noticed with the old V-Ray that groups didn't render all the time. That might still occur in the new version. But now you don't have to explode and regroup. You just need to reopen the file.


Along with the SR1.5 there should be a readme.txt file that describes the changes from the previous version.
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Re: Basic V-ray Problem

Postby holmes1977 » Thu May 07, 2009 10:33 pm

So just to get this right

Instead of selecting the group/component and pressing [url]apply colour to object(s)[/url]
You explode or edit the group/component and apply colour to the faces in the group/component.
is that right?

I think I may have said group/component one to manytimes and confussed myself.
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Re: Basic V-ray Problem

Postby thomthom » Thu May 07, 2009 10:50 pm

No need to explode, just remove the material applied to the outside of the group/component and open it up and apply it to the faces inside.

Easy to remember tip: "Paint only faces".


Btw, the plugin to transfer material from groups/components to it's containing faces are located here: viewtopic.php?f=180&t=13711
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Re: Basic V-ray Problem

Postby holmes1977 » Thu May 07, 2009 11:13 pm

Got it.

Thank you my norwegian friend. You are most helpful.
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Re: Basic V-ray Problem

Postby holmes1977 » Thu May 07, 2009 11:21 pm

How do you know if material is applied to groups or components, rather than its geometry?

Regarding importing a component from the 3d warehouse or some other means.
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Re: Basic V-ray Problem

Postby thomthom » Fri May 08, 2009 7:05 am

When you select an group/component you see in the Entity Info window what material, if any, that's applied.

If you import Warehouse models I'd just run that plugin after importing object.
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Re: Basic V-ray Problem

Postby holmes1977 » Fri May 08, 2009 9:06 am

that pluggin is great. Thanks again for your help.
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