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by pbacot » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:35 am
Dave R wrote:That was an update for Mojave users.
I wonder if that means if we go to Mojave we have to use v. 18 to avoid issues.
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by Dave R » Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:13 pm
pbacot wrote: I wonder if that means if we go to Mojave we have to use v. 18 to avoid issues.
Well, none of the earlier versions will be updated so if you update to Mojave and then have issues, you'll have to decide whether to go back to an earlier OS or update SketchUp. There seems to have been enough issues created by Mojave that they decided to put resources into updating SU2018 even this late in the cycle.
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by andybot » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:17 pm
I'm sooo feeling this! I am still using 2016 because of all my plugins. I have 2018 on a secondary machine, just so I can open 2018 files I get from others, and for geolocate (which has been awful btw, since they can't use Google any more.) dtrarch wrote:I updated to 2018 pro and what a PIA to re-install all the plugins. Never bothered to install and use 2017 pro. How about a real value update please dtr Architect
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by pbacot » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:19 pm
Dave R wrote:pbacot wrote: I wonder if that means if we go to Mojave we have to use v. 18 to avoid issues.
Well, none of the earlier versions will be updated so if you update to Mojave and then have issues, you'll have to decide whether to go back to an earlier OS or update SketchUp. There seems to have been enough issues created by Mojave that they decided to put resources into updating SU2018 even this late in the cycle.
Thanks. Yeah that sounds like an indication of the importance. I am on automatic update but have stayed in an older version for various reasons, partly for collaboration, and partly cause it ain't broke. Same with the OS.
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by juju » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:45 pm
andybot wrote:I have 2018 on a secondary machine, just so I can open 2018 files I get from others... Eneroth Open Newer Version
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by andybot » Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:14 pm
Cool! I'm on the subscription, so it's not a big deal. It was more a comment about how completely underwhelming the last few version have been in terms of what I need for my day to day use. juju wrote:andybot wrote:I have 2018 on a secondary machine, just so I can open 2018 files I get from others... Eneroth Open Newer Version
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by juju » Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:43 pm
How close / accurate should one expect annual releases to be to the definition of annual, ie. how much "grace" would be reasonable? Asking for a friend... 
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by Pistol_Peto » Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:17 pm
juju wrote:How close/accurate should one expect annual releases to be to the definition of annual, ie. how much "grace" would be reasonable? Asking for a friend... 
I like the way Apple does it - you know in September they're going to release an iPhone. They announce the presentation date a few weeks out. In the presentation, they give the day everyone can order and when you'll receive it. It's always around the same time. It would help if they announced a release date a month before releasing it.
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by thorleyian » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:08 pm
I chose excited but not making a fuss about it, I imagine I’ll get labelled “evangelist” or something for that. I’d just call it quiet optimism.
I have a feeling today might be “the” day, with nothing to back up that theory though.
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by ntxdave » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:09 pm
thorleyian wrote:I chose excited but not making a fuss about it, I imagine I’ll get labelled “evangelist” or something for that. I’d just call it quiet optimism.
I have a feeling today might be “the” day, with nothing to back up that theory though.
Agree with your first part but still betting on next so they do not have to have support staff on call during the Thanksgiving holidays. 
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by Pistol_Peto » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:29 pm
ntxdave wrote:thorleyian wrote:I chose excited but not making a fuss about it, I imagine I’ll get labelled “evangelist” or something for that. I’d just call it quiet optimism.
I have a feeling today might be “the” day, with nothing to back up that theory though.
Agree with your first part but still betting on next so they do not have to have support staff on call during the Thanksgiving holidays. 
My youthful exuberance is hoping today/tomorrow - but I like your guess better!
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by alpro » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:10 pm
ntxdave wrote:thorleyian wrote:I chose excited but not making a fuss about it, I imagine I’ll get labelled “evangelist” or something for that. I’d just call it quiet optimism.
I have a feeling today might be “the” day, with nothing to back up that theory though.
Agree with your first part but still betting on next so they do not have to have support staff on call during the Thanksgiving holidays. 
Maybe they're going to blow our socks off with this release, don't think it's a support staff issue since they released a new version of Trimble Business Center (5.0) yesterday, which had major changes from 4.10 and I would think TBC requires a lot more support than Sketchup.
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by freebs » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:39 pm
juju wrote:CLICKBAIT! Just kidding...
Normally I would have seen a number of posts / threads related to the release of the latest version by this time, seeing that historically the new version is released somewhere in November (first half IIRC).
This year, I'm not seeing that. What are your thoughts on this?
I'm not holding my breath, but here's what I'd like to see: I) FINALLY FIXING THE STUPID OUTLINER for one. I load in a halfway detailed CAD model to build a house from and, say, explode the input and if the outliner is showing, it will take 50x longer to get done as it struggles to update that window for every single change it makes to any geometry. Just. Why? II) How about being able to search through the Layer manager by more than the first letter? Architects use layers and lots of them. Try selecting something and trying to set its layer to A-PORCH. There are about 100 A-somethingOrOther layer names in front of -PORCH but Sketchup only lets you type an A to get to that section and then scroll, scroll, scroll... I know, the program is waiting for VFB input, but why can't it wait for a shortcut for the $#@%-ing layer window's input and then switch to search mode? How about [spacebar] A-POR and boom, it's highlighting the nearest match(es) for me to select? III) There's an import for dwg in 'pro' mode sketchup but it can't handle text. Ugh. Every Window-label within a triangle is now just a little triangle. Go ahead and print me up a full copy of the CAD so that I can reference what should be in my imported file. Or, open Autocad in my second monitor and watch Autocad and Sketchup argue about where the cursor belongs. Honestly, it's 2018. 1998 is so... 1998. In the interest of brevity, I'll stop now. 
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by juju » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:18 am
Well, so I renewed my maintenance without knowing what's coming / new, maintenance running out and all of that. I have faith in SketchUp, but to be honest, I have more faith in the many excellent extensions (and of course communities like this that keep me engaged).
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by david_h » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:56 pm
The one wish. . and it's just a little wish...that I have been asking for in SU since version 5th Century BC is the ability to edit a nested a component and only have the context of the next component in the tree hierarchy visible rather than the whole model. . .all or nothing. for example to edit a double hung window section-- to work on one frame in the context of the entire window component but not have the entire building model visible. Vous comprenez? or is there a Plugin that can do this ? Otherwise I take my component out of the model. Start a new model and re-insert. Irritating.
This would just be a great thing.
If I make it look easy. . .then it probably is.
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by andybot » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:11 pm
oooh, that's a good idea! I wonder if there could be an isolation mode like in Blender? david_h wrote:The one wish. . and it's just a little wish...that I have been asking for in SU since version 5th Century BC is the ability to edit a nested a component and only have the context of the next component in the tree hierarchy visible rather than the whole model. . .all or nothing. for example to edit a double hung window section-- to work on one frame in the context of the entire window component but not have the entire building model visible. Vous comprenez? or is there a Plugin that can do this ? Otherwise I take my component out of the model. Start a new model and re-insert. Irritating.
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by ntxdave » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:02 pm
Anyone else get a Cyber Monday promotional email about Sketchup? Two things interesting: - I already have a 2018 Pro license and have already paid the annual maintenance fee. Why did I get the email.
- Seems to be a message that 2019 may not be coming out all that soon (otherwise why a promotion for 2018)
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by juju » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:41 pm
ntxdave wrote:Anyone else get a Cyber Monday promotional email about Sketchup? Two things interesting: - I already have a 2018 Pro license and have already paid the annual maintenance fee. Why did I get the email.
- Seems to be a message that 2019 may not be coming out all that soon (otherwise why a promotion for 2018)
Nope, I got one from sketchUcation (amongst others) though, but it's not the same thing... - I paid the annual maintenance fee as in yesterday, I will be less than impressed if it were the case.
- Also consider the very recent maintenance release on 2018 Pro for OSX, things are getting stranger by the day.
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by Pistol_Peto » Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:13 pm
ntxdave wrote:Anyone else get a Cyber Monday promotional email about Sketchup? Two things interesting: - I already have a 2018 Pro license and have already paid the annual maintenance fee. Why did I get the email.
- Seems to be a message that 2019 may not be coming out all that soon (otherwise why a promotion for 2018)
I did receive one and had the same thoughts. I'll be pretty disappointed is Sketchup 2019 doesn't come out soon. I'm putting off some hardware purchases until it comes out.
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by ntxdave » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:16 am
Interesting, I received a second email this evening. Now to see what happens going forward!
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by juju » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:04 am
ntxdave wrote:Interesting, I received a second email this evening. Now to see what happens going forward!
I'll bite, what does it say? (screenshots or it didn't happen  )
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by kaas » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:06 am
I always found it a bit strange for software updates v20XX to be released a few months before 20XX. Maybe this year, v2019 will actually come in or just before 2019?
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by ntxdave » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:59 pm
juju wrote:ntxdave wrote:Interesting, I received a second email this evening. Now to see what happens going forward!
I'll bite, what does it say? (screenshots or it didn't happen  )
I will try to send a screenshot a little later (have to go to a different computer instead of my iPad). It, again, is about their Cyber Monday promotion at $499 for 2018 Pro. Interestingly I did not se any mention of an upgrade to 2019. OK, here is the email I got yesterday. CM-Email.png
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by juju » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:56 am
Aaah, so only for new licences then. I hope they give their current licence holders some thought...
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by Derek Edison » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:36 pm
juju wrote:How close / accurate should one expect annual releases to be to the definition of annual, ie. how much "grace" would be reasonable? Asking for a friend... 
Tell your friend 30 days. That's the grace period for letting your maintenance lapse 
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by RodolfoST » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:01 pm
david_h wrote:The one wish. . and it's just a little wish...that I have been asking for in SU since version 5th Century BC is the ability to edit a nested a component and only have the context of the next component in the tree hierarchy visible rather than the whole model. . .all or nothing. for example to edit a double hung window section-- to work on one frame in the context of the entire window component but not have the entire building model visible. Vous comprenez? or is there a Plugin that can do this ? Otherwise I take my component out of the model. Start a new model and re-insert. Irritating.
This would just be a great thing.
You can create a shortcut to the "hide the rest of the model" command. I put this in the "J". When I edit a component or block, only it is visible.
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by andybot » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:53 pm
RodolfoST wrote:You can create a shortcut to the "hide the rest of the model" command. I put this in the "J". When I edit a component or block, only it is visible.
Read his request again. Consider what happens if you are, in his example, editing a sash within a window frame. If you "hide rest of model" you are also hiding the window frame object outside of the piece you are editing.
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by pbacot » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:37 pm
For most cases, just making a copy of the parent component, somewhat removed works OK, no need to export, but I know what you mean, that would be a great help. (And I also agree, having the hot key set for "hide rest of model" is essential.)
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by ntxdave » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:19 am
Is it time to start thinking Merry Christmas, Happy New year or even Happy Easter? 
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by Sekta » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:46 am
Sketchup has become the cornerstone of my business, I use it for everything from quick mass studies, to concept design to full construction docs for projects ranging from small housing to large industrial projects. I have invested huge amounts of time in this product to enable me to do this, I hope Trimble understand this and will stand by us full time users whose livlihood depend on it.
The 2018 update for me was great especially the ability to do scaled drawings in layout. I just hope this next update... whenever it is... will give us the ability to control line weights for layers and / or components instead of applying a raster style.
I am feeling a tad nervous about the silence on a possible release date given my investment in this product I think at the very least we should be kept up to date on whats happening.
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