3D Truss Models

Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sat Jan 09, 2016 9:32 am

I can probably link up the Beam Calculator to the plugin as well for analyzing Glulam Beams however the use of these tools still requires some basic knowledge with regards to appropriate design parameters and options.

http://design.medeek.com/resources/beam ... culator.pl

The other thing to note is that the engineering tools are specific to US standards at least for now:

AWC NDS 2012 or AWC NDS 2015 (lumber, timbers, glulams, sheathing)

and

IBC 2015 and ANSI TPI 1-2014 (trusses)
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:10 pm

The truss component in SketchUp is not fully dynamic yet, however if you right click on the actual truss component and open the Dynamic Component -> Component Options dialog box you will see that you can change some options associated with the truss. The items grayed out you cannot currently change but I would like to try and make some of them dynamic as well.

if you make a change here and then proceed with the engineering you will notice the new values are then sent to the calculator. The dynamic attributes revealed in this dialog are what is being sent to the calculator for engineering.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:09 am

I've done some maintenance on the beam calculator in preparation for integration with the Truss Plugin:

Version 1.0.1 - 01.10.2016
- Updated javascript front end so that selected options are properly retained.
- Updated total load (reactions) to include applied load and selfweight over total span. Results now more closely agree with WoodWorks Sizer Software.
- Inputs now include option for Total Span and Clear Span.
- Removed beam configurations that are not yet complete.
- Beam graphic now shows span geometry with supports.

http://design.medeek.com/resources/beam ... culator.pl

At some point I need to come up with a slicker interface that allows for multiple point loads and supports but that is a job for another day.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:11 am

Version 1.2.5 - 01.10.2016
- Plugin integrated with the Medeek Beam Calculator.
- Engineering of North American glulam beam sizes enabled (Western, Southern Pine).

Also note that the Beam Calculator has a very nice PDF report output than can include client and job information.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:21 am

Screenshot of the Beam Calculator that will pop up when called from the plugin:



So far I only have glulam beams as an option in the plugin but I will probably add LVL, LSL, PSL and Solid Sawn and those can also be analyzed with this same interface.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby juju » Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:50 am

Is the manual a WIP?
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:22 am

My wife is helping with the manual. I'm also going to make a few tutorial videos per some requests from other users. I think at this point the plugin is complicated enough it warrants more complete documentation.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Tue Jan 12, 2016 3:53 am

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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby pbacot » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:32 am

Watched the video. Good job! Quite clear and nice to watch.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby glro » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:07 am

medeek wrote:First tutorial video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WqGkK15zYA


thank you for the video

i remember the difficult part, when i was designing wooden structures, was the connections between the members...

designing the connections might be a useful feature

i am longing to see a video about how you use the parameters in the dynamic component dialog box, as an input for your web calculator...
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby facer » Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:34 pm

IFC Classifications
I do not see IFC definitions of the truss components.
Will this be included in future versions of your plugin/extension?

T2H BuildingStructureTools (by Tak2hata) is a good example of the implementation
of SketchUps IFC Classifications.

Keep up the good work - I learn a little more about Trusses
with each or your new posts :)
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:34 pm

I have not even looked into the IFC classifications yet. At this point I'm not even sure how to classify a truss with that classification system. I will look into that further.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:17 pm

Engineering Video:

https://youtu.be/f0y7y8WtjDw

The SketchUp model used in the video can be found here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model. ... 17746ab90a

All of my sample models can be found here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/by/medeek
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:55 am

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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:00 am

Hip Roof Framing:

https://youtu.be/zyHuGR6nwpg

SketchUp model used in the video can be found here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model. ... 0b1d51302d
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:02 am

Somewhat of an aside for other plugin developers or those using the API to create geometry:

I found with the compound miter cuts required for the hip roof framing that the easiest way to handle this was by doing a push pull to the correct length so that one side of the member was the correct length and then actually selecting an edge or vertex and moving this separately to create the angles required. In some cases this can get a little messy since it may introduce extra lines that bisect a plane but some simple logic can then delete those extraneous lines after the fact. I don't know if this is the most efficient method to do this sort of thing but after some testing I managed to get it work very reliably.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:07 am

pbacot wrote:Watched the video. Good job! Quite clear and nice to watch.


My wife says I need to stop clearing my throat as I talk, other than that I think they mostly get the point across.

I'm still working on the manual, I've been busy the last few days so progress is slow. I've been looking around at other plugins the last few days and I'm beginning to wonder if my price point on this might be too high, most plugins are either free or a few dollars. Feedback in this regard is very much appreciated. I don't intend on making a lot of money on this project but I feel that I should at the same time be fairly compensated for the time and effort I have devoted.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby juju » Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:49 am

You could always take one of the early versions of the plugin, with limited functionality (limited to say a certain type / types of trusses and possibly limited spans) and release it as a free version (probably without support, else you'll be inundated with queries), this is to wet people's appetite and to get them to use the plugin and buy into the paid version (with full and expanded functionality). You already have the full version going (rename to pro?), then there's a third tier (engineering version?) possibly as per the PM I've sent you.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:02 am

Testing the limits of the Medeek Truss Plugin with complex hip roofs. Note that the roof primitives have not been trimmed back. This is primarily a study to determine what additional programming would be required to generate this type of roof automatically:



This for me would be the holy grail of hip roof framing...

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model. ... a0618a951d
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:30 pm

As you can see there is still a tremendous amount of work that can be done here. To that end I've started a KickStarter project which if successful would allow me to devote at least 4-5 months of my undivided attention on the programming of this plugin:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/12 ... uss-plugin
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:01 am

I have been giving some thought to dormers and how to specify them. Below is a dormer design I framed in Solidworks a few years back for a garage design:





Of course the numerous ways in which one could frame a dormer is probably beyond the scope of this discussion but I would like to consider what geometry needs to be determined in order to orient and size the dormer.

After some thought I think the following points, planes and lengths would define the geometry of a typical dormer:

1.) Main Roof Plane
2.) Attic Floor Plane
3.) Offset from exterior wall below (how far the dormer is out of plane from the ext. wall below).
4.) Pitch of Dormer roof
5.) Dormer width
6.) Dormer height (distance from attic floor plane to top plate of dormer wall)
7.) Window width, height, and header depth
8.) Dormer wall thickness (2x4 or 2x6)
9.) Dormer rafter depth
10.) Position of Dormer along length of building

Items 2,3 and 10 can be combined into a single point selection.

Revisiting this I think the location of the dormer can be established with the selection of two points and a plane (main roof plane), the rest of the parameters will be UI.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:43 am

Pondering complex hip roofs this afternoon and considering the graphic below:



A few rules seem to emerge:

1.) An outside corner will always create a hip that is 45 deg. from each leg of the corner.
2.) An inside corner will likewise always create a valley 135 deg. from each leg of the corner.
3.) Where two hips or flying hips meet a ridge will extend 135 deg. from each hip.
4.) When two valleys meet at 90 deg. they will terminate and a ridge will extend at 45 deg. from each valley.
5.) With a building with walls only running north-south or east-west all ridge lines will always be north-south or east-west.
6.) Likewise all hips, valleys and flying hips will be oriented northwest, northeast, southwest, or southeast.
7.) When a valley meets a ridge, (they will always meet at 45 deg) a flying hip is generated that is 90 deg. from the valley and 135 deg from the ridge.
8.) When two valleys meet at 180 deg. from each other, the result will be either to flying hips perp. to the valleys or the degenerate case of 4 valleys and 4 ridges.
9.) When a valley and a hip meet each other at 180 deg. then two ridges that are 45 deg from the valley will be the result (typical L shaped roof).
10.) When 4 hips meet the result is a pyramid.

There may be a few other degenerate cases I'm missing but I think that covers it.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby pbacot » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:45 am

Have you thought about multiple plate heights. Often when roofs are this complex, the house will also have multiple plate heights
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:39 am

Variation in plate heights, pitches, overhangs and even mixing hip and gable (half hip, dutch gable) further complicate the matter. To begin with I need a algorithm to generate the roof planes, then the framing just falls out from there. To create the roof planes I need a fairly robust straight skeleton implementation.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:20 am

Version 1.2.6 - 01.18.2016
- Sill plate option (advanced) enabled for top and bottom bearing floor trusses.




https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model. ... 20617e1814

Work on the manual is progressing however for those interested the red colored boards in the image are called "ribbon boards". This is fairly typical for floor trusses. The notch purposely left in the truss to accommodate the ribbon board is called the ribbon cut or ribbon notch. Continuous ribbons provide stability for installed trusses, and also provide a solid nailing surface for the edge nailing of floor sheathing. This eliminates the need for larger and more expensive “rimboard” solutions required by dimensional lumber and other engineered wood products. 2x4 lumber is common, but any dimension of 2x lumber can be used for the ribbon board.

Similar to the complex hip roofs I need to program the floor truss/TJI module so that it can automatically frame out any non-rectangular floor plan. It seems like my goals keep getting more lofty and ambitious as I dig deeper into this, at some point I should reach the end of the rabbit hole.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:53 pm

Version 1.2.6 - 01.19.2016
- Added Solid Sawn Floor Joists (metric and imperial)
- Sill plate and Sheathing options (advanced) enabled for TJI and Solid Sawn floor joists.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby MtnArch » Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:58 am

medeek wrote:As you can see there is still a tremendous amount of work that can be done here. To that end I've started a KickStarter project which if successful would allow me to devote at least 4-5 months of my undivided attention on the programming of this plugin:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/12 ... uss-plugin


C'mon everyone ... let's help Nathaniel - I've put my seed money up for him, what about you? This is a pretty amazing plug-in that can only get better and more amazing!

(and, just for the record, I've already paid (pretty early on) for a permanent license!)

Thanks, Nathaniel, for undertaking this!
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:39 am

I just saw your pledge this morning, thank-you for the serious vote of confidence. I spent a few minutes and updated the KickStarter page to better reflect the current status of the plugin.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:08 pm

In a related note but slightly unrelated I've decided to take a small break from directly programming of the Truss Plugin and apply some effort to the integrated Truss Designer. I've had a number of requests by various parties and individuals to add in plywood gusset plates to the engineering of the Truss Designer, in lieu of standard metal plates (Mitek, Simpson, ITW etc...). This will allow for the design of site fabricated wood gusset connected trusses, something still found in remote agricultural locations. I'm thinking a couple weeks and I will have this programming task complete, at least for the common fink truss, and then put it out there to gauge the response. This new feature will be available from the Truss Plugin when fink trusses are analyzed.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:58 am

Version 1.2.7 - 01.26.2016
- Added advanced roof options for hip rafter roof (sheathing, fascia).



https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model. ... 2866e7a252

Couldn't resist adding in these options for hip roof since it was mostly there already from the gable roof module.

Adding in the roof sheathing was also an excellent check to make sure I had the roof planes correctly modeled. I'm glad to report that it all checks out.

At some point I also need to add more properties that tabulate, areas, lineal feet and weights. This information might be useful for engineering and material lists/estimating purposes.

Also note that the fascia boards are not angle at the corners, this is to more easily allow for one to manually push-pull these board to increase or decrease their length.
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