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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby arjunmax09 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:53 pm

there are so many people on this forum who are awesome at making plugins... is there a possibility that one can make a plugin that just stops this haywire toolbars problem??
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby thomthom » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:01 pm

There's been a great number of brave attempts. Countless hours has been spent trying to hack the wretches thing - but all have returned bruised and scared. :(
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby arjunmax09 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:05 am

thomthom wrote:There's been a great number of brave attempts. Countless hours has been spent trying to hack the wretches thing - but all have returned bruised and scared. :(


i see.....but as the adidas line goes ..."IMPOSSIBLE IS NOTHING"... surely one genius is going to crack this problem... :D
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby putnik » Wed May 12, 2010 2:04 am

Until a couple of days ago installing a new script would mess up my toolbar locations, but at least I could re-arrange toolbars. Then I installed a couple of new ones, Extrusion Tools by TIG was one of them. And toolbars stopped sticking to where I wanted them to be! Really annoying!

Strangely, the following from Halroach did help. Thanks!
I have found a solution to the jumping toolbar problem!
you must pack and cram each line of toolbars all the way to the end, until one of the toolbars get cropped, and then cram one more toolbar until one of the toolbars shifts to the next line automatically (sort of like an auto carriage return, or wordwrap). Now you can rearrange the toolbars on the third line, and they won't jump around! and you can replace the cropped toolbar from the second line to the third line too...


PS This is not to say that TIG's Extrusion Tools was actually the culprit. I don't know what was.
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby Banaticus » Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:20 am

remus wrote:...except office 2007 :P

Well, Microsoft has the official stance that things can't be removed from the Ribbon... but what they don't advertise is that you can hide things on the Ribbon and otherwise move stuff around (and add new things): http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library ... ustomizing

I would really really like to see the ability to do something like that, some sort of coding or CSS or XML or something that would allow us to upload a customized UI from a file. There are a few things that I like to use regularly that I just can't do with keyboard shortcuts, like the Dimension tool for callouts. I've set it to the "D" key, but then there's that layer-pane thing that sizes itself to cover the model and which "hides" (removes) everything on one side of it -- I love sliding that thing back and forth to quickly remove a wall.
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby Joewoodworker » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:10 am

Juju wrote:I've had to arrange my toolbars for the third/fourth time today. Really annoying! I hope this will be fixed soon so one can lock your tools (menu top and left) in position so in the even of something happening you don't have to rearrange them afterwards.

I think this has been mentioned (requested) in the wishlist before, hope it gets the attention it deserves.


Hey Juju...

Ummm, why don't you set the screen up as you'd like to see it everytime by turning it into a template? You set up everything, the units, the toolbars, the background get rid of Brice...everything you want. The next time you launch SU...presto! It's the way you want it.
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby halroach » Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:15 am

An observation: :(

1. There are plugins (most plugins) that load a toolbar automatically when first installed - and in most cases cause a lot of havoc - moving all the other toolbars all over the place.

2. On the other hand plugins that need to be initially "checked" ('view'\'toolbars'\'plugin name') or from ('preferences'\'extensions'\'plugin name') usually load somewhere in the middle of the screen that way they can be placed easily without messing everything up. I am not a coder, but maybe the initial placement of the toolbar is something that can be coded into each plugin... (i.e. make it load somewhere neutral at first load) or is it just by chance?
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UN F/N BELIEVABLE!

Postby xennon » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:17 pm

This is incredible ... this thread alone has been going since Apr 2008 ... more than 30 months and STILL no resolution to the extremely annoying *issue*. Version 8 has now come out and guess what - I STILL DOES IT!!.

OMFG - What does it take for goooooooogle to pull their finger out and address this problem?

Someone else said that it's been around since at least v4 ... how long ago was that?!

Given the enormous resource base of gooooooogle, rivaled probably only by microsoft and yahoo in scale - how bad must their developers be if they can't solve this problem in the years that they've had to mess with it.

totally gob-smacked!
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Re: UN F/N BELIEVABLE!

Postby jbacus » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:28 am

xennon wrote:This is incredible ... this thread alone has been going since Apr 2008 ... more than 30 months and STILL no resolution to the extremely annoying *issue*. Version 8 has now come out and guess what - I STILL DOES IT!!.

While it is clear that you're not impressed with our improvement (for those who've missed it so far, we're also discussing this on the SketchUp Help Forum), I'm curious to know if it had any impact on the workflow of other folks here on SCF?

The basic problem is that folks with more than a dozen Ruby extensions (I ran into someone yesterday who had over 200 of them installed at once... whoa!) are overwhelming our simple MFC toolbar implementation. It just can't scale to that kind of usage. To make things work better, we'll have to stop using Microsoft's toolbars and write our own. That isn't a trivial project, unfortunately– we could do it, but it would mean not doing something else.

xennon wrote:OMFG - What does it take for goooooooogle to pull their finger out and address this problem?

As I said over at our forums, being civil will make it much more likely that discussion of the actual problems at hand will occur. I'm quite willing to discuss these sorts of issues, but find it easier to do when folks are being polite.


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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby mitcorb » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:32 am

"but find it easier to do when folks are being polite."
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby Rich O Brien » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:56 am

Xennon,

The toolbar has been given a serious overhaul and is a step forward. Pointing out how lazy and bad they development team does nothing for your argument. Also posting in 2 forums the same diatribe without a compelling case in either is disappointing. Your free to air your opinions wherever you wish. I might add that we're a friendly bunch around here, as you know from your Golden Ratio thread, and help is always forthcoming. We also welcome new members and encourage open and honest discussions. I would take John's advice and show some tact when raising your concerns with SU. You'll find alot more people will support you!

Also I can vouch that the guys at Google SketchUp not only work hard but party even harder ;)

For those who are interested here's Xennon's post from the Google Help Forums...

That "remember" or *restore* option is a crock - it does nothing. It only works if you move toolbars around and change your mind (during that session) and want to go back to how they were when the prog started. If you install a new script/plugin, SU will ALWAYS start up after the install with messed up toolbars and pressing that restore button will do absolutely nothing.

This is a serious and extremely annoying BUG that's been there since waaaaaay back to version 4 at least. The best the developers have managed to come up with is a half-arsed save/restore option that fails more than it succeeds. Time to roll up the sleeves people and dig into the muck that must be the SU code and fix it once and for all.

Waddaya recon gooooooogle? ... you brave enough to have a go? (I for one think not)
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby Tobobo » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:33 am

I agree whilst it is frustrating that the toolbars move, i can imagine that Google have higher priorities in development such windows 7 and OS compatibility. Don’t forget Google bought SU to improve the openness of the 3D element of Good Earth. Plus it’s a minor thing in what is a massive programme. John's point about rubies is fair, I don’t have 200 ( :o ) but I know they can programme stuff based on that extreme amount.

So keep working boys and girls I can hold on a bit longer

PS. manners cost nothing so being nice to people is free.
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby thomthom » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:32 pm

Tobobo wrote:Plus it’s a minor thing in what is a massive programme.

It's a major annoyance restoring ones workspace every time you get the Shuffle. A reliable workspace is essential to get a good workflow - so UI elements moving about is not a good thing.
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby Tobobo » Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:28 pm

A fair point my dear sir, and for a SU giant such as yourself I can imagine that you have many toolbars surrounding your most splendiferous creations.

Me however aint got much.

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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby thomthom » Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:34 pm

Actually, I keep my visible toolbars to a minimum in order to reduce the pain of the Shuffle and save screen estate. I keep at max one row of small-icon toolbars. But some of them are several very short ones - which still leaves me with several toolbars to clean up. I really feel sorry for those who need to clean up more toolbars.
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby Jim » Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:00 pm

I have taken to not using Toolbars, or having a very minimal number open. I wrote a custom WebDialog (or 2) to replace Toolbars. One dialog is a general toolbar replacement, the other toggles the normal Toolbars visible/not visible. The dialogs are pretty rough around the edges since I am the only one who uses them; but they do show what can be done and how the WebDialogs can (and will) be an effective alternative to the built-in Toolbars.

There are a few other, similar plugins that are using webdialogs as toolbar alternatives.

My dialogs: the short texts are buttons, too.


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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby rockstarkid76 » Tue May 24, 2011 6:42 am

remus wrote:Julian, why dont you get rid of all your toolbars and jsut use keyboard shortcuts? it takes a bit of getting used to but its a lot faster :geek:

BUT NOT ALL COMMANDS HAVE SHORTCUTS!
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby rockstarkid76 » Tue May 24, 2011 6:44 am

a4chitect wrote:there is a little trick to help you, once you are happy with your toolbar arrangement, close sketchup (the UI gets saved internally). anytime your screen gets resized, or messed up, or your toolbars change - don't close sketchup, open another instance of sketchup - this one opens with the original UI. then close both windows but make sure that you close the clean and tidy @last :D

this way your clean UI gets saved as last overwriting the messy one (since all instances of sketchup share one UI setting)

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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby thomthom » Tue May 24, 2011 8:16 am

rockstarkid76 wrote:
remus wrote:Julian, why dont you get rid of all your toolbars and jsut use keyboard shortcuts? it takes a bit of getting used to but its a lot faster :geek:

BUT NOT ALL COMMANDS HAVE SHORTCUTS!

You can set up your own shortcuts from Window > Preferences > Shortcuts

(p.s. Please don't use all caps when writing a post. It's considered bad forum manner. If anything, use all lower. Makes things much easier to read and it doesn't make you look like you are yelling.)
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby rockstarkid76 » Tue May 24, 2011 8:26 am

thomthom wrote:
rockstarkid76 wrote:
remus wrote:Julian, why dont you get rid of all your toolbars and jsut use keyboard shortcuts? it takes a bit of getting used to but its a lot faster :geek:

BUT NOT ALL COMMANDS HAVE SHORTCUTS!

You can set up your own shortcuts from Window > Preferences > Shortcuts

(p.s. Please don't use all caps when writing a post. It's considered bad forum manner. If anything, use all lower. Makes things much easier to read and it doesn't make you look like you are yelling.)


im sorry for using all caps.my apologies :oops:
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby numerobis » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:35 pm

sorry... but every time i read this topic title i have to laugh... it's really a big joke that this annoying little problem is still not fixed after such a long time!
If this is such a hard thing to do, the developers of nearly all other softwares i know must be real geniuses since they found a solution for this "unsolvable" problem... :roll:
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby Tobobo » Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:08 am

numerobis wrote:sorry... but every time i read this topic title i have to laugh... it's really a big joke that this annoying little problem is still not fixed after such a long time!
If this is such a hard thing to do, the developers of nearly all other softwares i know must be real geniuses since they found a solution for this "unsolvable" problem... :roll:


the save tool bars have gone along way to solve it. Though saying that it hasn't happened in a while. touch wood
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby kwistenbiebel » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:16 am

Yes, annoying bug still around.. :)
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby findthong » Sat May 05, 2012 12:28 pm

Jim wrote:I have taken to not using Toolbars, or having a very minimal number open. I wrote a custom WebDialog (or 2) to replace Toolbars. One dialog is a general toolbar replacement, the other toggles the normal Toolbars visible/not visible. The dialogs are pretty rough around the edges since I am the only one who uses them; but they do show what can be done and how the WebDialogs can (and will) be an effective alternative to the built-in Toolbars.

There are a few other, similar plugins that are using webdialogs as toolbar alternatives.

My dialogs: the short texts are buttons, too.


(moved post from another topic)


This is quite nice. Everyone here having some problem with Toolbar, but my problem is Web Dialogs LOL.
I'm using Dual monitor set up. Sometime I work with SketchUp on my 1st monitor when SketchUp is being my top priority and many time I've to move it to 2nd monitor. And web dialogs not going to move with SketchUp. That's quite annoying and I need to do a lot workaround and get familier with it.

And I've just counted I've 112 shortcut combinations to get aroud these UI problem as much as possible! And I can remember 80 percent of them, but not much icons!. It need a lot brain power, when you want to have less moving around as possible while using a lot of scripts to prevent tedious tasks as much as possible. I can't imagine I can even work in SketchUp without my cheat sheet or on other computer :D.

We definitely need some UI love for extensive users, because there're so many advanced SketchUp user around!
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby shawnkelly » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:28 pm

Sounds like some of the users in this post need to move to another software. This is called Sketch-Up for a reason. I was most likely developed by someone that was tired of the limitations of pencil and paper. It is meant for sketching out ideas quickly without the fuss of all that you people bring to it. I despise the other programs because of their complexity. I use them (Rhino and Modo) of course because they are unnecessary but not at the beginning of a project that has no initial parameters. Do not try to make it so hard on yourselves, it steals all the fun out of it.
BTW, has anyone tried View>Toolbar>Save Toolbar Location/Restore Toolbar Location. I crash (Bug-Splat) Sketch-Up all the time and I have yet to manually move all my toolbars back to their positions after restoring them.
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby Rich O Brien » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:16 pm

No splat here on Restore Toolbars


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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby pbacot » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:48 pm

We don't have this problem on Macs.

The toolbars are never in a good place, never where you put them, same with windows so they can't be messed up. You get the Mac "customize toolbar" which also sucks.
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby MichaelNeyses » Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:01 pm

I just cant fathom, what you guys are doing with your toolbars, I closely watched the progress of this discussion. I almost feel guilty by not having this genuine problem at all.
If the bars are disturbed, which very rarely occurs, I hit the ALT/F9 Button that I have set on the 'Restore Toolbars' command and all the boys are back in place.
I dont have any explanation for this good behavoir other then maybe that I am using a 30" screen which gives me planty of room not to mess in the vicinity of the bars.
I rely very much on SU during my workday and produce at least 50 projekts a year. I would have never stuck with this software, if there were such instances as the need of rearranging the landscape of toolbars 5 times a day! Maybe choose the plugins I am using a bit carefully but I have learned long ago that being a gearhead and jumping on any train is the least splendid of all forthcoming methods.
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby Gaieus » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:59 pm

Note that this discussion started in 2008 (see first post) when there was no such function as "Save toolbar position" or "Restore toolbar position".

People keep re-discovering this topic time-to-time...
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Re: Lock toolbars

Postby panixia » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:57 am

MichaelNeyses wrote:I dont have any explanation for this good behavoir other then maybe that I am using a 30" screen which gives me planty of room not to mess in the vicinity of the bars.
of course not, the width of the monitor doesn't matter. the pixel count does.
if you got a 17" 1920x1280px and a 40"1920x1280 px you got the same "pixel space" to use with your toolbar buttons (wich have a fixed pixel dimension).
the only difference is that you see bigger pixel, so that you can actually visualize bigger buttons, but you can dock the same amount of buttons than the smaller monitor does.
i find that in order to visualize more toolbars/dialogs and other UI elements it's a more effective solution to use 2 smaller monitor rather than 1 bigger montitor.
(or maybe 2 bigger montor if you got the cash for it of course)
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