Buying a new computer?

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Postby CJRyan » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:58 am

I'm still following this and am still very interested.

Will you have to order these units as identical clones, or can they be "tweaked" if there are some features that I would like?

Oh, did you ever hear from Sonder as what settings he's using on those monster screens? Just curious.

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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby solo » Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:14 am

CJRyan wrote:I'm still following this and am still very interested.

Will you have to order these units as identical clones, or can they be "tweaked" if there are some features that I would like?

Oh, did you ever hear from Sonder as what settings he's using on those monster screens? Just curious.

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You do not have to order the exact setup, you have a choice to add and remove stuff, like say you want additional HHD's or bigger SSD's, maybe you want even more ram, or even a different GPU, but I can assure you the setup I will post is going to be optimal and most folk are gonna love it, the company will even be calling the rig by the name 'SOLO' I guess 'Pete's 3D beast' was just too much. :twisted:
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby CJRyan » Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:23 am

Thank's for the reply!

SOLO work's for me! :)
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby solo » Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:53 pm

Hey guys, here is the configuration.

Don't miss the next Catchup which will be published soon as it will feature this machine.

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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby solo » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:16 pm

I did not include overclocking as that is a personal thing, however if you desire to have the machine overclocked by the techs then that option will be available, I have been assured that every overclocking is stressed tested for 36 hours to make sure the system is 100% stable and the company does not overclock above 4.2Ghz as they know we run our rigs for long periods and they want us to have a stable problem free rig and I agree, I will have mine clocked to 4.2Ghz by the way.
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby Bob James » Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:56 pm

Is there any advantage to having two cpu's? I'm also buying a new machine at work with a much larger budget ($10,000). I've been looking at a system from Maingear with two Xeon 2690 cpu's on an ASUS board, a GTX Titan video card and 64GB memory. I would cannibalize my OCZ 512MB SSD and the 6TB RAID from my old machine.

I'm sure my management would be pleased if I spent a lot less and be able to have the same or nearly the same performance.
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby solo » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:00 pm

Bob James wrote:Is there any advantage to having two cpu's? I'm also buying a new machine at work with a much larger budget ($10,000). I've been looking at a system from Maingear with two Xeon 2690 cpu's on an ASUS board, a GTX Titan video card and 64GB memory. I would cannibalize my OCZ 512MB SSD and the 6TB RAID from my old machine.

I'm sure my management would be pleased if I spent a lot less and be able to have the same or nearly the same performance.



Well if I had that budget I'd be getting a top end dual xeon, and yes these guys build those type of rigs too, if you can tell me what you want I can get you a deal based on the same bulk discount on a dual cpu rig, I can also have them check your configuration and let you know if it's optimal and if they can improve on it.
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby EscapeArtist » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:35 pm

Reduce the RAM to 24 GB, I've run Thea, SU, and converted DVDs simultaneously on my machine with similar specs and never come close to using 24, 18 was as close as I could get it. Spend the difference and add another 1TB drive to the first and have them set in RAID 1. This will create a place to back up the SSD and protect the valuable work you do on your system.

JMO, but a built in backup is better than saying "I'll back it up later." Then it will crash on you.
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby Bob James » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:59 pm

When/How will we be able to customized our order with you?
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby solo » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:02 am

Bob James wrote:When/How will we be able to customized our order with you?



Send me an email and I'll forward it to my guy and he will respond directly to you with a deal under the same 'Solo deal'.
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby sonder » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:03 am

You folks will be very pleased with that GPU.
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby Aureus » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:27 am

And what a powerful machine I have in my possession!
Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2220 (2.4 Ghz), 2GB DDRII RAM, 80GB Sata HDD, 19" display...who knows what graphic card...
Do I live in the same age with you guys?... :(
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby solo » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:37 am

Aureus wrote:And what a powerful machine I have in my possession!
Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2220 (2.4 Ghz), 2GB DDRII RAM, 80GB Sata HDD, 19" display...who knows what graphic card...
Do I live in the same age with you guys?... :(



Well then join us and upgrade.. :bounce:
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby Aureus » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:44 am

"Well then join us and upgrade.."

From Bosnia? I don't think so. ;)

Well, my favourite team...OK spell-checker, my favorite team have already lost today so in order to preserve my rest I think I should leave this thread.

64GB RAM...
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby Bob James » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:42 am

solo wrote:Send me an email and I'll forward it to my guy and he will respond directly to you with a deal under the same 'Solo deal'.

We may be talking about two different things:
1. it was my understanding that we could modify the Solo machine components. I would need to know what options I have
2. I would send you an email with my intended work machine configuration to see what they could do for me on that machine.

I'm assuming that your post quoted above is in regard to #2.
What I also need is the information for #1
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby solo » Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:42 am

Bob James wrote:
solo wrote:Send me an email and I'll forward it to my guy and he will respond directly to you with a deal under the same 'Solo deal'.

We may be talking about two different things:
1. it was my understanding that we could modify the Solo machine components. I would need to know what options I have
2. I would send you an email with my intended work machine configuration to see what they could do for me on that machine.

I'm assuming that your post quoted above is in regard to #2.
What I also need is the information for #1
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Yes both, I have options for the Computer as in my configuration and I have options for the workstation as per what you need. Anything ordered under the same "company" will be valid for a discount.

So, Bob let me know everything you need and I will try beat any price you can get, as I'm sure we can include it in this bundle.
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby numerobis » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:05 pm

solo wrote:I have been assured that every overclocking is stressed tested for 36 hours to make sure the system is 100% stable and the company does not overclock above 4.2Ghz as they know we run our rigs for long periods and they want us to have a stable problem free rig and I agree, I will have mine clocked to 4.2Ghz by the way.

I think all they will do then is to set the auto overclocking to 4,2... which will be stable for all "stress testing" (which is a very unprecise definition btw.) And i think 4,2GHz should be possible with almost every 3930K without problems. That would take you or them only 3 seconds to do, BUT will normally result in higher voltages than needed and can in the case of Sandy Bridge E degrade the CPU in some cases if the VCCSA and VTT voltage is set too high. ( http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.ph ... egradation )

I don't want to spoil the party - only to point out that "overclocking" can be done in several ways... ;)
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby hellnbak » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:55 am

I've always built my own computers, but I might be interested in one of these.

A couple questions -

I definitely do not want a mid-size case. I suppose I could just transfer everything to a new case but is a full-size tower an option?

I'm avoiding solid state drives for now, I want to let that technology cook for a while yet until their reliability is equal to the "old" drives. Can I get the OS installed on a WD 250GB Black drive? And I don't need a secondary drive, I buy WD drives when there's a good sale on the one's I like, and I have probably 13 or 14 of them set aside for future needs.

I probably already know the answer to this one, but does the Win 7 come on a disc, not a "recovery disc", but on it's own disc?

And finally, how would I find out what the system I describe would run, ball park?
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby andybot » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:46 pm

This is a great thread, and if I had the budget currently, I'd be very interested. However, I am thinking I will try a 2U case for the next computer I build and see about getting my render farm set up as a server rack. I already have two boxes for rendering, and my thinking is that I will quickly run out of floor space if keep adding towers... :?

hellnbak wrote:I'm avoiding solid state drives for now, I want to let that technology cook for a while yet until their reliability is equal to the "old" drives. Can I get the OS installed on a WD 250GB Black drive?


Steve,
If I may suggest, an SSD drive should be used for the OS and software, with a shadow backup of the OS written on a regular drive. SSD is significantly (very noticably) faster than a spinning disk when it comes to running software. Things just load and start instantaneously, whereas now working on a machine with a 7200RPM HDD feels sluggish.
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby solo » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:57 pm

andybot wrote:This is a great thread, and if I had the budget currently, I'd be very interested. However, I am thinking I will try a 2U case for the next computer I build and see about getting my render farm set up as a server rack. I already have two boxes for rendering, and my thinking is that I will quickly run out of floor space if keep adding towers... :?

hellnbak wrote:I'm avoiding solid state drives for now, I want to let that technology cook for a while yet until their reliability is equal to the "old" drives. Can I get the OS installed on a WD 250GB Black drive?


Steve,
If I may suggest, an SSD drive should be used for the OS and software, with a shadow backup of the OS written on a regular drive. SSD is significantly (very noticably) faster than a spinning disk when it comes to running software. Things just load and start instantaneously, whereas now working on a machine with a 7200RPM HDD feels sluggish.


Andy, when you are ready to buy a server rack setup, shop around first and then come to me with the best price you can get and I'll see if I can get a better deal.
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby solo » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:00 pm

hellnbak wrote:I've always built my own computers, but I might be interested in one of these.

A couple questions -

I definitely do not want a mid-size case. I suppose I could just transfer everything to a new case but is a full-size tower an option?

I'm avoiding solid state drives for now, I want to let that technology cook for a while yet until their reliability is equal to the "old" drives. Can I get the OS installed on a WD 250GB Black drive? And I don't need a secondary drive, I buy WD drives when there's a good sale on the one's I like, and I have probably 13 or 14 of them set aside for future needs.

I probably already know the answer to this one, but does the Win 7 come on a disc, not a "recovery disc", but on it's own disc?

And finally, how would I find out what the system I describe would run, ball park?



Steve,

Everything is customisable, so if you want a larger case no problem. I too was weary about solid state drives as I have heard too many horror stories, but as Andy suggests the advantages overide the fear as far as speed goes, and yes you can set up to shadow that drive, I was thinking of a third 1TB drive to do such a thing so if anything ever happened I could just rename that the C: drive and contine as nothing happened. (at least that is what I believe can be done)
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby andybot » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:03 pm

Off-Topic:
solo wrote:
andybot wrote:This is a great thread, and if I had the budget currently, I'd be very interested. However, I am thinking I will try a 2U case for the next computer I build and see about getting my render farm set up as a server rack. I already have two boxes for rendering, and my thinking is that I will quickly run out of floor space if keep adding towers... :?


Andy, when you are ready to buy a server rack setup, shop around first and then come to me with the best price you can get and I'll see if I can get a better deal.


Thanks Pete. When I do get serious about it, I'll start another thread and would love to hear more.
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby andybot » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:06 pm

solo wrote:I too was weary about solid state drives as I have heard too many horror stories, but as Andy suggests the advantages overide the fear as far as speed goes, and yes you can set up to shadow that drive, I was thinking of a third 1TB drive to do such a thing so if anything ever happened I could just rename that the C: drive and contine as nothing happened. (at least that is what I believe can be done)


For backup - the simplest thing is to use the native C: drive/ system settings backup that comes with Win7 and you can simply restore that copy to a new SSD fairly quickly. It's also a very good idea to have a clean OS backup in case of any computer viruses. :geek:
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby solo » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:11 pm

Okay, so what's the deal you ask.

I have a page setup with the company who will be building the systems, there are 4 options as setup, these are just 4 different build ideas and you can change them as you require.

I am going for the second option.

http://www.jncs.com/php2/thea.php


$2,605

JNCS Model TS1000-128-680


Chassis
Antec® 302 Chassis

Power Supply
Cooler Master® Silent Pro 850W Power Supply

Motherboard
Intel® Extreme DX79SR Desktop Motherboard

CPU
Intel® Core™ i7-3930K

Sink & Cooler
Gelid Tranquillo CC-TranQ-01-A 120mm CPU Cooler Rev 2

Memory
Corsair (4 x 8GB) SDRAM - 1866 MHz

SSD
Samsung 840 Pro Series MZ-7pD1228BW 2.5" 128GB SSD

Data Drive
Western Digital Caviar Black 2GB WD2002FAEX 64mb Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s

Video
EVGA® Model 04G-P4-2686-KR GeForce GTX 680 Graphics Card = 1019 Mhz Core - 4GB GDDR5 - PCI-E 3.0 x16

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Microsoft® Windows 7 Professional 64bit

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1 Year


Attached I include the prices from other builders I have used in the past to compare the deal we are getting.
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby solo » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:16 pm

So as you can see we save an average of $400 on a top end rig.
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby hellnbak » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:25 pm

I know that SSD's are incredibly fast compared to normal drives, but I was concerned about reliability. This was based on research I did a while back, but after doing more research this morning I find that their reliability is now comparable, and the Samsung Pro 840 series has received very high marks. So, yes, I would go with a small SSD for my C drive.

As far as the full-size tower I want, I assume I could choose from a selection they have available. I don't need or want anything fancy, no neon lights or racing stripes, just something solid and well laid out, where everything is easily serviceable. It could be painted puke green for all I care, nobody's gonna see it but me. So how do I see what they have to choose from?

But as far as prices for this (very nice) rig, I can't seem to find anything in this thread that really nails it down. I know it will vary according to individual setups, but what do I need to do to get a price for the setup I want?
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby solo » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:30 pm

hellnbak wrote:I know that SSD's are incredibly fast compared to normal drives, but I was concerned about reliability. This was based on research I did a while back, but after doing more research this morning I find that their reliability is now comparable, and the Samsung Pro 840 series has received very high marks. So, yes, I would go with a small SSD for my C drive.

As far as the full-size tower I want, I assume I could choose from a selection they have available. I don't need or want anything fancy, no neon lights or racing stripes, just something solid and well laid out, where everything is easily serviceable. It could be painted puke green for all I care, nobody's gonna see it but me. So how do I see what they have to choose from?

But as far as prices for this (very nice) rig, I can't seem to find anything in this thread that really nails it down. I know it will vary according to individual setups, but what do I need to do to get a price for the setup I want?



I agree on the simple case, I purposely chose a plain case with no silly lights and sliding covers, it's not how it looks, it's how it performs.

The price is in the link above, $2600 for this beast (cheaper option also available if you want a different GPU)
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby hellnbak » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:36 pm

While I was composing my last post you have posted more info on prices, so that answers my last question. Thanks.
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Re: Buying a new computer?

Postby solo » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:47 pm

Okay, it's ready to go.

If you want to modify anything then email Adam Pierce apierce@jncs.com

And remember to mention either Solo or Pete Stoppel in correspondence for him to include you in the discounted deal.
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Postby Dave R » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:54 pm

Are the prices they show the discounted ones?
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