[Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby SUFractal » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:57 pm

thomthom wrote:
SUFractal wrote:ATTENTION!!!!!!!

I've discovered a problem with this plugin/tool.

It conflicts with TIG's 'SectionCutFace' and Chuck Vali's Instant Roof plugins. And perhaps others as well, that I am not aware of.

Anyone else discovering any issues with it?


Can you describe what the conflict is? When reporting problems it is more useful the more information you give.


Sorry Thomthom ... I should know better.

When operating either tool (Instant Roof or SCF) with SU-BIM installed in plugins folder, SU immediately crashes. SU-BIM doesn't seem to be affected by anything else that I can see.
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby TIG » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:59 pm

[Without any evidence!]
I suspect that it somehow, ill-advisedly, messes with the base class/methods - e.g. group.copy and similar...

The tool's author might confirm...
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby thomthom » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:51 am

And without SketchUpBIM installed everything works fine?

TIG wrote:I suspect that it somehow, ill-advisedly, messes with the base class/methods - e.g. group.copy and similar...

Either that, or it could be misbehaving observers - such as modifying the model in observer events.
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby TIG » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:12 am

Good point TT :idea:
If it's 'watching' for say a 'group creation' - as SectionCutFace does - then it might cause it to trip up as it 'intervenes'...
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby SUFractal » Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:16 pm

thomthom wrote:And without SketchUpBIM installed everything works fine?

TIG wrote:I suspect that it somehow, ill-advisedly, messes with the base class/methods - e.g. group.copy and similar...

Either that, or it could be misbehaving observers - such as modifying the model in observer events.




Yes Thomthom ... w/o SU-BIM there do not appear to be any issues with other plugins or SU at all (from what I've experienced).
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby d_e_x » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:28 am

Thanks for pointing this out. I'll look into the appended suggestions - and get this fixed asap.

TIG wrote:I suspect that it somehow, ill-advisedly, messes with the base class/methods - e.g. group.copy and similar...

thomthom wrote:Either that, or it could be misbehaving observers - such as modifying the model in observer events.
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby d_e_x » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:00 pm

SketchUpBIM, Instant Roof, and SectionCutFace put together - are working fine. I did not notice any crashes or any other issues. I have tested this on Windows 7, 64 Bits. Next, I am going to try this on the Mac. At this point, NO ISSUES HAVE BEEN FOUND.

In the attached screen-shot, SketchUpBIM elements (columns, walls etc.) are working fine with a "Barn Gambrel" roof from Chuck Vali's Instant Roof and a cyan colored section cut from TIG's 'SectionCutFace'.

SBIM_SectionCut_InstantRoof.png



TIG, Thomthom, could you confirm if there are any problems?

Also, the SketchUpBIM plugin has been tested with SuPodium, and Ledas Driving Dimensions, and no issues have been found. If there is anything, then it might be platform specific; or is related to other softwares and/or privileges on some specific computers. (random hunch!)
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby thomthom » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:34 pm

d_e_x wrote:TIG, Thomthom, could you confirm if there are any problems?

I haven't used SketchUpBIM myself yet. Just noticed the query from the user when I moderated the post.

Does it extend of modify the core classes that comes with SketchUp? (I've written some notes on why this is unsafe: http://www.thomthom.net/thoughts/2012/0 ... velopment/ )

Does it make use of Observers? (I've tried to map out bugs and quirks with observers here: http://www.thomthom.net/software/sketchup/observers/)
If it does make use of observers, what does it do? Does it just monitor, or does it attempt to make changes to the model? The Google developers has mentioned that modifying the model on observer events can very likely cause unforeseen issues.
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby SUFractal » Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:41 am

d_e_x wrote:SketchUpBIM, Instant Roof, and SectionCutFace put together - are working fine. I did not notice any crashes or any other issues. I have tested this on Windows 7, 64 Bits. Next, I am going to try this on the Mac. At this point, NO ISSUES HAVE BEEN FOUND.

In the attached screen-shot, SketchUpBIM elements (columns, walls etc.) are working fine with a "Barn Gambrel" roof from Chuck Vali's Instant Roof and a cyan colored section cut from TIG's 'SectionCutFace'.

SBIM_SectionCut_InstantRoof.png



TIG, Thomthom, could you confirm if there are any problems?

Also, the SketchUpBIM plugin has been tested with SuPodium, and Ledas Driving Dimensions, and no issues have been found. If there is anything, then it might be platform specific; or is related to other softwares and/or privileges on some specific computers. (random hunch!)


d_e_x:

TIG and TT suggested that I try upgrading to a newer version of SU (Version 8.0.11751) ... which I have done. That seems to solve the problem with the other plugins. :D

I'm embarrassed that I didn't think to check that first.

Keep up the good work ... looking forward to using your great tool again.

Thanks!
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby pjdorger » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:19 pm

wow looks awesome
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby d_e_x » Wed May 16, 2012 7:22 pm

Hi All,

The appended blog talks about the common support issues related to the installation and first-use of SketchUpBIM.

http://sketchupbim.blogspot.in/

Hope it helps the community :)
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby brookefox » Sun May 20, 2012 8:11 pm

Thank you, d_e_x, for sharing this set of integrated tools.

Any plans for wall intersection corner clean-up?
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby eccowboy » Mon May 21, 2012 1:15 am

I tried downloading SUBim, but when I was done the plugin wasn't in my SU toolbar,
I'm working in pro7, does this plugin only work with Pro8.

Thanks....
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby brookefox » Mon May 21, 2012 2:13 am

You checked the install and can verify that the plug and the folder are in the plug directory?
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby TIG » Mon May 21, 2012 8:22 am

Assuming you do have the files/subfolder+files properly in Plugins [and not some 'compatibility files' location because you don't have 'full' properties>security-permissions to the destination folder]...
then have you checked to see if it's an Extension that needs a one time activation from Menu > Window > Preferences > Extensions, and if so perhaps a one time activation of its Toolbar from Menu > View > Toolbars ?
If none of this works... have you tried using the tool's own web site? where they have a support page and tutorial pages, or even try a PM to the author here...
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby d_e_x » Thu May 24, 2012 8:15 pm

eccowboy wrote:I tried downloading SUBim, but when I was done the plugin wasn't in my SU toolbar,
I'm working in pro7, does this plugin only work with Pro8.

Thanks....


Eccowboy,

SketchUpBIM works with SketchUp 7 and 8, both Free and Pro Versions.

Please browse to "C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Google SketchUp 7\Plugins"
on your computer, and see if the following files exist inside this folder: (i) SketchUpBIM.rbs file (ii) SketchUpBIM sub-folder. If not, then please re-install the software using the installation file. If you still cannot see the SketchUpBIM files even after re-installation, then you might not have admin privileges to install softwares into your "Program Files" folder or you might have multiple versions of SketchUp installed on your computer. If this is the case, please send me an email at support@sketchupbim.com. I can send you a link to the zip package of the plug-in (otherwise discouraged to facilitate installation upgrades). The zip package can be easily un-zipped, and the files can be copied to the SketchUp plug-ins folder.
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby d_e_x » Thu May 24, 2012 8:20 pm

brookefox wrote:Thank you, d_e_x, for sharing this set of integrated tools.
Any plans for wall intersection corner clean-up?


Hi Brookefox,

clean-up of wall corners, and other intersections has been requested by a number of users. it's on our list of things-to-do. Hopefully, we'll do so in one our future releases. I will notify as and when it is added to SketchUpBIM.

Dex
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby etong » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:52 am

Hi,

Tried to make this plug-in work but I really can't.
I already reinstalled my SUPro 8.0.3117 to scratch, installed only SUBIM as plugin but still no luck.
Running in Win7 64bit.
I have SketchUpBIM.rbs and subfolder SketchUpBIM in my Plug-in Folder.
Also did Preferences/Extensions but didn't find any SketchUpBIM there... I only have: Ruby Script Examples, Ocean Modeling, Utilities Tools, Dynamic Components, Sandbox Tools, Solar North Toolbar, Photo Textures as choices.
I just dunno what else to do now.
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby thomthom » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:28 am

etong wrote:SUPro 8.0.3117

I recommend you update to the latest service release of SU8 - got lots of bug fixes.

As for the plugin, can you post a screenshot of your plugin folder?
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby etong » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:22 pm

thomthom wrote:
etong wrote:SUPro 8.0.3117

I recommend you update to the latest service release of SU8 - got lots of bug fixes.

As for the plugin, can you post a screenshot of your plugin folder?


Ok, already downloaded the latest SU. Unfortunately still the same issue.

Here's my Screenshot of my SU8 Plugins Folder

Folders:

Examples
Ocean
SketchUpBIM
SU_Podium_V2
Utilities

Ruby Scripts:

examples.rb
ocean_extension.rb
SketchUpBIM.rbs
SU_Podium_Browser.rbs
SU_Podium_V2.rbs
SU_Podium_V2_Render_All.rbs
utilities.rb

Didn't made a screenshot as there's only a few of ruby plug-ins as I am trying to eliminate the probable rb in conflict with SUBIM.

Thanks!
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby micione » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:22 pm

SketchupBIM not allow "LightUp" to work well. It seems that the conflict concerns the layers. Has anyone noticed this problem?
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby Pixero » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:27 pm

micione wrote:SketchupBIM not allow "LightUp" to work well. It seems that the conflict concerns the layers. Has anyone noticed this problem?


Yes, this was the reason I uninstalled SketchUpBIM.
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby micione » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:40 pm

Thank you. I uninstalled. pity ...
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby d_e_x » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:21 pm

micione wrote:SketchupBIM not allow "LightUp" to work well. It seems that the conflict concerns the layers. Has anyone noticed this problem?


Pixero wrote:Yes, this was the reason I uninstalled SketchUpBIM.


Hi Micione, Pixero,

LightUp / SketchUpBIM conflict has been reported by some other users as well. We will investigate this issue, and get in touch with the LightUp team to fix this issue. Apologies for the inconvenience. We'll have this fixed in the upcoming release.

Dex
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby etong » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:01 am

etong wrote:
thomthom wrote:
etong wrote:SUPro 8.0.3117

I recommend you update to the latest service release of SU8 - got lots of bug fixes.

As for the plugin, can you post a screenshot of your plugin folder?


Ok, already downloaded the latest SU. Unfortunately still the same issue.

Here's my Screenshot of my SU8 Plugins Folder

Folders:

Examples
Ocean
SketchUpBIM
SU_Podium_V2
Utilities

Ruby Scripts:

examples.rb
ocean_extension.rb
SketchUpBIM.rbs
SU_Podium_Browser.rbs
SU_Podium_V2.rbs
SU_Podium_V2_Render_All.rbs
utilities.rb

Didn't made a screenshot as there's only a few of ruby plug-ins as I am trying to eliminate the probable rb in conflict with SUBIM.

Thanks!


Still not working for me :(.
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby Ineshtine » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:06 pm

d_e_x wrote:LightUp / SketchUpBIM conflict has been reported by some other users as well. We will investigate this issue, and get in touch with the LightUp team to fix this issue. Apologies for the inconvenience. We'll have this fixed in the upcoming release.

Dex



The problem is usually with your global variables. If you use $pluginDir = "c:/BIM" and another plugin uses $pluginDir = "c:/Other" then the last one who load will change the variable $pluginDir in all loaded plugins. So make sure you name your global variables accordingly. For example, use $bim_pluginDir instead of $pluginDir
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby thomthom » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:13 pm

Ineshtine wrote:The problem is usually with your global variables. If you use $pluginDir = "c:/BIM" and another plugin uses $pluginDir = "c:/Other" then the last one who load will change the variable $pluginDir in all loaded plugins. So make sure you name your global variables accordingly. For example, use $bim_pluginDir instead of $pluginDir

No - the best thing is to not use global variables! Ever! Play nice with the environment your plugin live in and wrap everything in your own unique namespace module. No global variables and no global methods or constants that gets added to the Object class and inherited throughout every other class.
I wrote down some guidelines for avoiding clashes with other plugins etc: http://www.thomthom.net/thoughts/2012/0 ... velopment/
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby Ineshtine » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:46 pm

thomthom wrote:No - the best thing is to not use global variables! Ever! Play nice with the environment your plugin live in and wrap everything in your own unique namespace module. No global variables and no global methods or constants that gets added to the Object class and inherited throughout every other class.
I wrote down some guidelines for avoiding clashes with other plugins etc: http://www.thomthom.net/thoughts/2012/0 ... velopment/


TT, I was pointing out the possible problem and a simple fix using search/replace rather then changing the whole code!
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby thomthom » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:28 am

It appear that this plugin doesn't work that well when installed to a location to anything other than the Plugins folder. Toolbar icons, webdialogs.

Usually when I see this behaviour it's because the plugin uses Sketchup.find_support_file to build the paths to the resources. A better practice is to build the path relative to the file itself, using __FILE__. I see all the files are rbs files - where __FILE__ will not work. But You can instead create an unscrambled loader which stores the path it's installed to for later use by the scrambled files. That way users can install the plugin to any location.

The reason people install to other locations is that they want to share plugins between SketchUp versions or computer. It's become popular to install plugins to a shared Dropbox folder. That's why it's a good thing to write plugins that work from any location.
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Re: [Plugin] SketchUpBIM: Building Modeling made easy!

Postby Phil Rader, AIA » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:26 pm

I notice an odd behavior when I have SketchupBIM installed.

IF I activate layer 0 in the layers dialog all layers are turned on, The camera view is changed to Isometric, and The camera is zoomed to extents:

see this video:

http://www.nvizeon.com/su/ZOOM_ISSUE.mp4

This behavior only happens when SketchupBIM is installed.

Is this a know bug or is this a "feature" built-into the plugin?
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