Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Ecuadorian » Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:01 am

I've been editing in Windows Live Movie Maker. Everything in it is great, except that video quality suffers after editing. I've tried increasing the bitrate, but it still degrades the video... This only becomes worse after converting from wmv to mp4 for support on more devices.

My current video workflow is:

-Render High Definition TGA/PNG sequence from LightUp/L*mion
-Assemble sequences into MP4 video clips with VirtualDub and the x264vfw codec
-Edit in Windows Live Movie Maker
-Convert to MP4 using Handbrake
-Give both the WMV and the MP4 edited files to the client, and also the unedited sequences in both MP4 and JPG format (Converted to JPG with VirtualDub).

Any suggestions are welcome. I'm currently happy with Movie Maker, except for the final quality, so I don't need a lot. My main requests would be:

-Ability to open TGA/PNG sequences directly without needing previous conversion
-Ability to detect hard scene changes in the sequence, and automatically split the sequence into clips
-Save to both MP4 and WMV
-Must handle 720p and 1080p videos of up to 6 minutes without trouble.
-Fast preview.
-Ability to burn Blu-ray discs would be a nice bonus.
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Khai » Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:09 am

I don't know if it's got all the features you listed but -

http://www.lightworksbeta.com/

Lightworks Beta.
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Postby solo » Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:12 am

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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Gaieus » Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:22 am

That LightWorks looks interesting, thanks, Khai. Do you know anything about the price? I see it is in Beta now and can be downloaded for free but what about a final version? (The "Store" has not opened yet).

Pete, that's a good link, too, thanks.

I am currently thinking on Corel Video Studio Pro 4. The price is different from what is in that comparison chart however ($ 79 would be the upgrade price). Currently it is also on sale ($ 59 instead of $ 99 - and the upgrade is $ 39).

It can do all what Miguel listed.

That CyberLink PowerDirector 9 Deluxe is cheaper however...
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Khai » Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:21 pm

here's the announcement on Lightworks -

"Back in April 2010, we announced our plans to take Lightworks open source. We always said the first step would be to make the application freely available so that a large community of users could start becoming familiar with it. We are very pleased to have reached this first milestone. Now you can freely download the most intuitive and advanced editor available. This is not a trial download. From here forward, you will always be able to download and use the latest version of Lightworks for free.

Some time in the middle of 2011, we hope to reach our next milestone - releasing the source code to any developer who wants to build upon what we started. We wish we were ready to do that now. However, before we can release any source, we have several hundred thousand lines of code to review to make sure it's all cleared for opening up. We are making progress but we are not there yet.

In the meantime, we invite you to get familiar with Lightworks, an Academy and Emmy award winning professional-grade editor with over 20 years of history in the film and broadcast industry. Having cut hundreds of films such as Pulp Fiction, The Departed, Centurion and Shutter Island, it includes a full feature set of editorial tools -- from advanced trimming and media management, to stereoscopic support and realtime effects including multiple secondary colour correctors. Lightworks has an advanced effects pipeline, utilizing the power of your GPU. And with support for up to 2K workflows with realtime effects, it is the most advanced editing application available. "
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Postby Gaieus » Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:02 pm

Thanks, Khai. This is indeed impressive! :thumb:
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Ecuadorian » Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:08 pm

Gaieus wrote:It can do all what Miguel listed.


Thanks, I'll check it out immediately.

I had a hard time trying to figure out Lightworks and the demo of Sony Vegas Pro.
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Gaieus » Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:37 pm

Well, I have also installed LW but I seem to get lost. Maybe later...
It also freezes a lot (and cannot even replay a 19 sec movie - with nothing else added! - without lags)
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby brodie » Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:09 pm

I used to use Adobe Premiere Elements which was quite nice for most work and I think it was like $99.

Since then we got a new adobe suite which included the full version which does more stuff but isn't as user friendly as Elements.

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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Ecuadorian » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:07 am

Thanks everyone.

I'm now down to two options:
Corel VideoStudioPro X4 (32 bit)
PowerDirector 9 Ultra (64 bit)

I'm currently testing Corel, and although you can import an image sequence, it's treated as individual slides in the timeline instead of a videoclip. I found the exporting counter-intuitive, but still easier than with others I've tried, except WL Movie Maker.

Now to download PowerDirector...
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby pilou » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:52 pm

Maybe an free old one
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Ecuadorian » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:13 pm

Update:

So I ended up deciding for Corel. I ordered the thing, the charge is already in my Paypal account, but all I got from the Corel online Store was an error message.

Now trying to contact them... :evil:
Grr.... They have no online chat. Time to dust my spoken English skills and call them. :evil:
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Rich O Brien » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:39 pm

First the iPod epic and now Corel. Did a black cat cross your path? Have you walked under any ladders?

Your the second unluckiest member here...
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Ecuadorian » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:46 pm

And I haven't told you about the time when I ordered Lumion... The $1K+ charge appeared dozens of times in my PayPal account and my bank kept calling me about those charges. The whole thing took a while to clear up. And to make things worse, the local customs said I had to pay $380 for the import of the #@&! USB dongle. I complained to the Lumion guys so much about the dongle thing that they now use online activation.

Now returning to the Corel case: I got tired of waiting on the phone, but I found a way to send them a message using the form found here:
http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/ ... 4151700373
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Ecuadorian » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:48 pm

Second? Who's the unluckiest member?
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Gaieus » Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:51 am

Sorry Miguel as it was me who suggested Corel. However good to see your progress in this matter as I am also planning to buy it so it may depend on what you experience here.
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Ecuadorian » Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:01 am

Well, they replied today and said they would forward my case to someone else. Fortunately, I still have days left in my 30-day trial.

No prob, Csaba. I liked Corel the best of the ones I tried, but online purchases do not always go as smoothly as one would wish. :?
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Ecuadorian » Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:41 pm

Update: This morning I received the serial number from Corel. 8-)

So, for just 50 bucks (If you delete the "download insurance" from the shopping cart), I got what I wanted.

Thanks for your recommendation, Csaba. :thumb:
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Gaieus » Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:08 pm

Ah, good. You were my lab rat - now I may also consider it.
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What is "download insurance"?
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Ecuadorian » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:14 am

Supposedly, they give you another chance to download the installer for 2 full years.

It makes no sense, really, as you can always download the trial version again and just unlock it. In fact, I didn't have to download anything after receiving my serial number and going through the activation procedure.
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Gaieus » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:10 am

Well, it may make sense. I lost a Camtasia license this way once. The version was no longer available for download. At least Google makes all (their) versions still available (true that no @Last versions any longer)
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby solo » Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:15 pm

Follow up:

I took my own advice and got Cyberlink Power director 9, I have used both Camtasia and Sony Vegas in the past with fair results, but Power director is by far the best, easiest and enjoyable video editing app I have ever used. Simply brilliant, you can get excellent results from the start, lots of effects in library or free as downloads from Cyberlink's site.

http://www.cyberlink.com/products/power ... 2goduwWnyA
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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Frederik » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:55 pm

solo wrote:...I have used both Camtasia and Sony Vegas...

Although video editing is possible with Camtasia, the primary function must be the screen capture tools...
Can't see that Cyberlink Power director 9 can make screen captures... :|
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Postby o2bwln » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:40 pm

Solo,
I'm looking at Cyberlink as well. I record in 1080i @ 60fps and from some of the reviews I've read it seems that anything past 20 minutes causes software problems. Have you experienced this also?

I've been following their forum and it seems Ultra 64 can process 60fps but it starts to stutter after 20 minutes.

Will download the free trail and see if it suits my needs.

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Re: Please recommend a good, not too expensive video editor

Postby Gaieus » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:25 am

OK, so this is my turn to scratch y head. I suggested (or maybe rather just "mentioned") Corel to Miguel because at that time it was the only one I kind of knew. Now I have looked at some other ones like Cyberlink because I need a very special effect now that seems to be available with Cyberlink ("Picture in picture - VERY briefly addressed at the bottom of this page).

BUT what I exactly need is a video (or still image) in the background of a HD video and a "traditional" TV size (720x576 pixels in Europe as PAL/SECAM TV's are as opposed to NTSC). These have already been recorded and we would like to use them without having to re-record in HD so we'd basically "cheat" and just add some background (either stills or if possible, sometimes even animation). The "front" 720x576 MUST be video. Something like the attached below. Ideally the positioning of that inserted, red area should also be customisable.

As my trial for Corel has expired, I cannot check if that is capable and now I have to buy one that is capable of something like this. Any advice? (Also, I am pretty broke so the "inexpensive" category must apply - and I am also rather stupid so it would be nice to have a fool-proof, easy-to-use software).
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