notre dame

notre dame

Postby jo-ke » Thu May 02, 2019 7:52 pm

in the last days many drawings came to the web of the new ideas of the reconstruction of notre dame in Paris. In my opinion the best design is the original one. So I've found a nice model at the warehouse arranged some trees and houses and hit render...
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Re: notre dame

Postby pbacot » Thu May 02, 2019 8:57 pm

Great! Beautiful. I thought it'd be the source photo but it could just about be a painting (with some sailboats added)!

I agree keep gothic the way the "gothics" built them, as much as we can. If people really want to build 21st century cathedrals, build new ones.
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Re: notre dame

Postby pilou » Thu May 02, 2019 9:11 pm

Another proposition (not SketchUp)...
https://notre-dame-paris.miysis.be/en
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Postby Mike Amos » Fri May 03, 2019 9:34 am

It would not be the Notre Dame cathedral if they put a glass roof on it. Heat and pressure treated timber rather than oak would be fine but remember the heritage of the building and those who built it. It is an icon of design and construction.
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Postby majid » Sun May 12, 2019 5:07 am

Mike Amos wrote:It would not be the Notre Dame cathedral if they put a glass roof on it. Heat and pressure treated timber rather than oak would be fine but remember the heritage of the building and those who built it. It is an icon of design and construction.

I strongly support your idea. I am on your side.
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Postby L i am » Sun May 12, 2019 5:41 am

I personally would not support allowing the event to be errased by a like for like rebuild. The event should be embeded and read into the timeline of the building. I think it would be criminal to rebuild it would damage the timeline integrity. That is not just my opinion but a universaly accepted fundimental principle of heritage Architecture BTW. and frankly Majid with your qualifications I am at a loss to understand how you do not get that.
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Postby Mike Amos » Mon May 13, 2019 8:45 am

Not sure exactly what you mean there. Do you suggest that the building should have features that are current with the fire timeline or something else?

For myself, using a glass roof for example, would completely alter the fit of the structure into the community it serves.
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Postby Bryan K » Thu May 16, 2019 8:22 am

Excellent as always!
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Postby L i am » Thu May 16, 2019 12:43 pm

Hi Mike, it is a universally accepted fundimental principle of heritage Architecture. The principal was formed to serve the community. I am not saying the answer would be a glass roof, but I am sure the principal would and should apply. The derogitory term for trying to rebuild it "as was" is reffered to as "pastiche"

Oh I forgot to say that is awsome work Jo-ke :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Re: notre dame

Postby L i am » Fri May 17, 2019 12:32 pm

Just heard a great quote, Rebuilding Notre Dame like for like "would be like trying to reheat a souffle"...........perfect analogy ;)
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Re: notre dame

Postby pbacot » Fri May 17, 2019 7:23 pm

In the case of a soufle one cannot add to it either. So let's have scrambled eggs! But seriously, I understand the point. It's not important to the French as it was, but as it is.
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Postby L i am » Sat May 18, 2019 12:42 am

pbacot wrote:In the case of a soufle one cannot add to it either. So let's have scrambled eggs! But seriously, I understand the point. It's not important to the French as it was, but as it is.




Touché with the analogy :thumb: But I think it wont be scrambled eggs,I have seen this principle applied on other projects and have never seen "scrambled eggs" Anyway that is for people beyond our pay rate to ponder. We will have to wait and see.
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Re: notre dame

Postby Mike Amos » Sun May 19, 2019 10:48 am

The problem is, as I see it, there is a high degree of risk of ruining the building if modern looks are applied. If you have a fire in your home the insurance company will repair to the prior state, not alter it. If there had been no fire the building would still have the same appearance but probably more likely to fall down.
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Re: notre dame

Postby L i am » Sun May 19, 2019 11:57 am

A Cathederal here in Perth Western Australia was in such poor structural condition that it required a major but partial rebuild.
Modern architectural additions were actually engineering imperitives, without which too much of the original building would need to be destroyed to get back the structural integrity for like for like rebuild. I have attached images of the project on completion.
So many people were "up in arms" about the concept (All the armchair Engineers and Architects who were forming petitons and marching in the streets) When it was finished it was loved by everyone ;)
The Architectural company charged with the rebuild will be chosen because they are up to the task, to think they will not consider the matix of Architectural, Engineering and Social elements whatever the considered solution may be. To think otherwise is just ignorance.
You may note in the images the beauty of the building still remains and the timeline integrity is easily read and intact.
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Re: notre dame

Postby Mike Amos » Sun May 19, 2019 4:47 pm

Modern materials yes, modern styles, NO.

I can see the place for heat and pressure treated wood rather than oak for examle but in this instance, masonry and roof can be rebuilt without modern architectural styles being applied. To do that would be to ruin the building. The majority of the stonework could do with attention but replacement, mais non, merci.
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Re: notre dame

Postby jo-ke » Sun May 26, 2019 12:26 pm

a quick try in twinmotion:

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Re: notre dame

Postby L i am » Sun May 26, 2019 1:08 pm

Nice work Jo-ke :thumb: :thumb: Has motivated me to have a look at Unreal Engine, thanks :)
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Re: notre dame

Postby Bryan K » Mon May 27, 2019 10:31 pm

That looks great jo-ke!
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Re: notre dame

Postby Mike Amos » Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:45 pm

This would be a lot easier to update. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagrada_Fam%C3%ADlia
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