HMS Ontario

HMS Ontario

Postby axeonalias » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:42 am

HI SU comunity,I have been pressed here by Crazy eyes to post some of my works.
Here is my current WIP:









This is my 13th Ship ive made since I started in Nov2007 and the learning progress is very visible in each model.Above Renders in KT.
My ships are made for the simulator Virtual Sailor 7.
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby Crazy Eyes » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:45 am

Wow, so amazing!
I'm glad you decided to show off your works on here.
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby solo » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:46 am

Welcome to GSCF

Fantastic looking model, hope to see the rest of them too.
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby axeonalias » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:04 am

Thx guys,
I did forget to mention she has a full interior,ive added a swinging cott in the Orlop Room,16 swinging Lanterns and the guns have 2 separate models,one with them stowed away as seen above,and one with the gun deck cleared and guns run out.
Just to clarify,here is a early shot in SU :

And in VS before she was textured during testing:

Since I started her on 03Oct08 Ive had much fun making her,but the task of exporting all the moving models into the sim is a daunting and tedious one.
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby Gaieus » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:29 am

Marius, this is amazing job! I love old ships and all but have always been too busy (well, probably too lazy :oops: ) to start a real project.

Glad you posted these and wlcome to the forums!

A little crit maybe (if you don't mind); the texturing in Kerky could be twaked a bit IMO.
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby axeonalias » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:35 am

Hmmm sounds interesting,i have just figured the water and sky out in KT,but please do tell :D
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby Gaieus » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:47 am

Well, I am far from being a Kerky (or in fact any other rendering app) expert but some bump maps and a little shininess would definitely liven the materials up. After all these British ships were alway painted and one would expect this paint to be a little shiny.
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby axeonalias » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:54 am

I did add 50% specular to the rails but allas..no bump,ill give it all a try tonight,this pc im on now takes about 30mins a render (only to find a lighting error,not to pleasant)
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby Gaieus » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:56 am

Experiment with materils separately from the scene (which might be very complex for just playing around and testing).
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby Fletch » Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:17 pm

I agree with Gaieus that the materials could benefit from a lot of attention, but overall very nice modelling - a true labor of love! Congrats!

If you have not, try downloading all materials in KT available and also read the material guide. But best of all is to apply materials that are 'close' to what you want and learn from them.

needs flags and sails, and a wake, to give the sense of wind/motion... seagulls?
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby boofredlay » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:53 pm

Welcome. Very nice work!
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby Aernoud » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:24 pm

This is Fantastic!! :shock: Welcome
I also wanted to make a ship like this, but cant find enough patience and time...yeah, (shame on me :P )
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby Mike Lucey » Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:42 am

Good to have your talents here Marius. have you masochistic
tenancies? :D

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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby axeonalias » Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:39 am

Thx Guys! :D Nice to find such an active forum.
Umm Mike I can say I dont think I have such tendancies,but worst of all is I cannot fathom why you ask.
As for KT renders,i just use it because it looks much better in WIP post then SU renders do and my main objective for the models are to render well in game,watching my polycount has been the hardest part but SU has perfect control over it,I use no plugins to build these and most of them I draw line by line,1 face at a time.
Oh except the sails of course..SSB is used there.
Here are my Projects (all but the 1st 2) :

HMS Artimes Frigate


Arabian Dhow


HMS Fly Sloop


Launch boat


HMS Leopard 50gun Frigate



HMS Ontario 24 Snow Brig


HMS Pickle Schooner


Sea Torque 1948 Cabin cruiser


Seaflower Cutter


Zuiderzee Yatch


Pickle,Ontario,SeaTorque,Artimes and Zuiderzee yatch all have full interiors. :D
HMS Leopard has its 2 top Floors Modeled (the 24 pounder slaughter room is hidden behind closed gunports due to poly count)
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby tomislavm » Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:02 pm

Amazing job!
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby axeonalias » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:17 am

Thx,
Coen if you like these then im sure you will enjoy my cuurent WIP,The Replica is Moored somewhere in the Netherlands.
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby aliceyu » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:55 am

Brilliant Job!!!

Love it!
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby modelhead » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:59 am

Just love the boats and modeling style....thanks!!
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby axeonalias » Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:44 pm

I Have about hmmm,over 1000 Drawings that are 10k pixels by 8k,some ships have up to 12 drawings but others can be simple,there's very little guess work involved and the beauty comes off the drawings really,Having some background knowledge does of course help in other areas were things are hidden.
HMS Leopard being a perfect example,The Stern Castle (Back Raised area) has a galley (a walkable opening) and is not flat at all,but looking at all the views on the prints there is no indication of this,I only picked it up on a Artist painting Of Leopard from that time period,so who knows what else ive misinterpreted.
Ive modeled many other ships that did not reach completion stage due to serious difficulty reading the drawings.
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby bubbalove » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:34 pm

Awesome stuff... would it be possible to get some close ups so we can truly appreciate you work?
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby axeonalias » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:41 am

Google is a great source if you know what your looking for,some you get some you dont with regards to drawings.
Close ups as requested :








Note : these are all in game shots at about 50fps,this current engine does not support self cast shadows,but the new one soon to be release has shadows,does wonders for tall ships :D
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby Ross Macintosh » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:11 am

Wow! Great work Marius. You clearly enjoy building the models. I hope you also enjoy sailing them in your simulator! I can imagine that is fun. Is there any way you can make a little movie to show what it is like?

I've sent a link to this thread to a friend on the Google SketchUp team. I'm sure they'll enjoy seeing how you are using SketchUp.

Regards, Ross
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby axeonalias » Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:02 pm

http://www.dats.co.za/axe/Complete/Movie.wmv

Finnaly learned how to make these,took 7 hours to render the 500 +- frames at 15fps

This file is 4mb at very reduced quality,the original is 450mb Avi,looks good but yea...
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby EduardoNL » Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:10 pm

Cool animation! Did you use VirtualDub?
Nice to see that not only building can be modeled in SketchUp.
I like your ships, great models!

Regards, Ward
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby axeonalias » Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:22 pm

Did you use VirtualDub?

Indeed so,a Tutorial on KT animations shaved hours off "figure it out" time :D

Thx glad you like them,now to get them to move and have material sails...maybe some ppl walking around and doing stuff.
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby Gaieus » Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:36 pm

Hi Marius,

Great video (ehm... for a great render of course a great model is the first step so that should've gone first).

I can imagine the difference in quality due to this compression so just can pity that we cannot see.

As for open sails, I'd suggest Soap Skin and Bubble if you haven't know it yet. Some great effets can be achieved like in the images here.
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby axeonalias » Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:11 pm

Thx Gaieus,Ive always used SSB for making my sails,I make them as low poly as possible,the simulator has fps problems if they are to high when switching from port tack models to starboard.But what i need is to be able to add wind and a material to have a moving animation,similar to what can be easily done in Maya.

And of course real water would be nice and a moving ship,but I think I might need a FX department for that ;)
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby Gaieus » Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:59 am

Ah,yeah,as now I read the whole thread back again, you already mentioned SSB.

How big is your SU model (polygon wise as well as file size) now? I would always wonder to which point it is still easily navigable and manageable in SU.

Also, how do you actually start a model like this? I see that you have drawings but then you draw polylines from section to section or what? I guess the basis is the hull always.
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby axeonalias » Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:05 am

The SU file is about 14mb and poly count 57,000 ,not hard to navigate in SU at all :D
heres the WIP thread http://hangsim.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=620

Here is Leopard,I did this thread from the very start to finish :
http://hangsim.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=451
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Re: HMS Ontario

Postby Gaieus » Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:15 am

Thanks, very interesting reading (images)! :thumb:
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