Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby Whaat » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:53 pm

Just want to announce our new plugin Double-Cut for cutting through double-sided walls. Thomthom had been pursuing this plugin many years ago and he was kind enough to let me use his plugin name since he is not working on it anymore. Thanks Thom!



Available for purchase here (SU2017+ only):
http:https://mindsightstudios.com/double-cut/

15 Day Free trial also available
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby pbacot » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:19 pm

Great exciting music.

(Oh and did I say the plugin looks AWESOME!!!!!!)

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby JQL » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:49 pm

Ole!
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby pilou » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:54 pm

A VisuHole + Components! :fro:
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby pilou » Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:51 am

Minute 0.27 - 0.38 is yet "double cut" ?
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby Pixero » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:56 am

Wow. Looks great. Another must have plugin.
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby juju » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:07 am

Will this work on cavity walls (multi layered walls) and complete the returns / reveals?
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby Whaat » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:35 pm

juju wrote:Will this work on cavity walls (multi layered walls) and complete the returns / reveals?

Sorry, it just works inside the 'active' wall group. If the wall is multi-layered and each layer is a separate group, it won't work for that.
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby andybot » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:01 pm

Ahhh, sigh of relief! This is something I've been imaging should be possible for about as long as I've been using sketchup. Great work, can't wait to try it!
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby Bob James » Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:29 pm

Instant buy for yet another "must have" tool. Many thanks. :thumb: :thumb:
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby Pixero » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:54 am

A question.
If I use this plugin in a model and someone that doesn't have this opens the model and moves a window. What happens?
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby rv1974 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:39 pm

I'll buy X10 if it works on curved surface.
P.S. Any plans for PB refreshing?
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby Whaat » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:34 pm

Pixero wrote:A question.
If I use this plugin in a model and someone that doesn't have this opens the model and moves a window. What happens?

The window will move but the hole created from Double-Cut will not move unless you 'unlock' it with the Right-click context menu and move it manually with the SU move tool.
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby Whaat » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:49 pm

rv1974 wrote:I'll buy X10 if it works on curved surface.
P.S. Any plans for PB refreshing?

Sorry, the tool is not designed for curved surfaces. Basically, the tool extends the existing functionality of SketchUp's cutting components. Since SketchUp's cutting components don't work on curved surfaces, DC won't work either.
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby brettsichellodesign » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:30 pm

I'm having some trouble with this plugin. Please see attached video. My door component doesn't seem to want to cut through the wall.

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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby Whaat » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:59 pm

The axis of your door needs to be set correctly. You also need to make sure your component has a closed loop of edges on the same plane as the x-y plane of your component. Check out this tutorial on creating cutting components.

https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup- ... nents/2262
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby utiler » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:09 am

Cool plugin, Dale!! Something that has been on the request list for soooo.... long!!

Just thought I'd make everyone aware that are using Skalp that it won't cut around openings as the standard SU section cut tool does. Not sure why; I'll ask the question of the Skalp team and see what they say.
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby srx » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:16 am

This is because the wall is not a solid. Faces on the side belongs to window group I guess.
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby utiler » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:24 am

Whether its a solid or not surely the skalp tool should be able to work similar to the SU native tool??
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby srx » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:30 am

utiler wrote:Whether its a solid or not surely the skalp tool should be able to work similar to the SU native tool??


SU native tool doesn't make faces inside the wall.
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby JQL » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:04 am

The problem is related with hole cutting components.

They are not creating new geometry as they are not actually cutting away the face, they're just displaying it differently... actually they are hiding it. But the face is still there.

Sectioncut face doesn't usually draw the face on the section but draws the edges of the faces that have been cut by hole cutting components.

This requires some manual cleaning on Section cut face side, which is usually not that hard to do. For folks using skalp, it might ruin the workflow... I don't use it.
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby facer » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:45 am

Whaat,
Could you please post your instruction gif files at 1/2 the speed.
This will make it easier to follow each step.

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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby minimalex » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:35 pm

JQL wrote:...it might ruin the workflow... I don't use it.


Oh no! I was so excited that double cut was going to save me huge amounts of time, and now I have to pick whether I am more invested in double-cut or Skalp. Super bummed about this.

Anyone think this has a chance of changing ever?
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby JQL » Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:21 pm

minimalex wrote:
Anyone think this has a chance of changing ever?


I see two ways:
- Either Trimble exposes something in their API for section plugins to aknowledge the openning as true geometry and not a hidden face.
- Or Skalp finds a workaround for that. Skalp is, itself a plugin built on incredibly well thought workarounds so they might find a way if you ask them.

The good news is that there are other plugins that suffered from this issue in the past and solved it.

The first one I noticed was Fredotools Report on Area. If you would report on a wall with 2x2m it would report 4m2. If you'd glue a holecutting component to it, it would still report the 4m2 even if the window should have subtracted it's area from the 4m2. Fredo solved it at the time when I reported. I don't know how he did it, of course.

Blendup was exporting faces with holecutting components without holes. After reporting the "bug" the fix was to explode the components, export the model, undo the explosion. It works very fast and everything looks as it was before.

Probably there are many more examples that I'm not aware of.

I don't use skalp, but if you report that to the developers probably they will take a look.
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby halroach » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:03 am

Thanks Dale for a great plugin!
Purchased as soon as I saw it was out.

An issue I'm having, is when placing a cutting door on an inside wall. I place it of course on the very bottom of the wall. What happens is that there is Z-fighting/Overlapping faces between three different elements:
1. The bottom face of the wall.
2. The newly generated double-cut reveals geometry.
3. The Flooring component.

Easiest is to hide the bottom face of the wall, but then there is still Z-fighting between the the double-cut reveals and the flooring.

Deleting faces from the flooring is not an option.
Deleting/hiding the reveals is possible, but it's very cumbersome at the moment - unlocking the reveals element, finding the face and deleting/hiding. If the component is then moved, have to redo this procedure again because the reveals are regenerated. This makes it very difficult for a dynamic design process.

Would it be possible to have an option for hiding the bottom reveal? And an option for hiding all the reveals all together?
(With some components the reveals are already part of the cutting component)

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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby Whaat » Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:24 pm

Thanks for your input, halroach.

Yes, this is a known issue. We hope to be able to improve it in the future. The recommended workflow is to use the Double-cut explode locked groups option (right-click menu) after you have finalized the position of your door. Then, you can easily erase the un-wanted faces at the base of the door.
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby rv1974 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:13 pm

I had to disable this tool because itit tends to connect to opposite facade of the bldng (I work wich thin walls). Some kind of depth value must be added.
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby pbacot » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:24 pm

rv1974 wrote:I had to disable this tool because itit tends to connect to opposite facade of the bldng (I work wich thin walls). Some kind of depth value must be added.


What do you mean, you work with thin walls?
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby juju » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:12 am

rv1974 probably only models the outer shell, not wall thicknesses, etc.
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Re: Double-Cut - Cut through double-sided walls

Postby rv1974 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:24 am

yep, a I need this tool locally (say for arcades), not as general treatment.
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