Visualizer for SketchUp

Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby pbacot » Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:43 pm

So with SU 2016 have Viusalizer working. But Pool water seems a problem still and Visualizer seems to be very slow in 2016. How many hours do you have to wait for the pool water to become transparent? Do you get the result as in the attached?
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby pilou » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:59 pm

How many hours do you have to wait for the pool water to become transparent?

???
It's quasi instantaneous (10 seconds) if you use the transparent water material of the 2016 as shown on my previous post! :)
I am on PC but seems that must be the same on MAC!
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby davidmreinbold » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:33 am

Hi Pilou & everybody

I am just in the process of upgrading from SU2015 to SU2016 and stumbled across your work around for migrating the now unsupported Visualizer over. Visualizer is working fine on (Win7) SU2015 however I cannot find the folder you have mentioned ImaginationVisualizer nor the ruby file ImaginationVisualizer.rb in my SU2015 file structure.

There is nothing other than a folder called 1.3.13 which I believe was the last and final Version of Visualizer. It is located (Sketchup2015 > Plugins > 1.3.13) and has some further sub folders (Bin/Doc/System)that each have some Visualizer files in them, but no visualizer.rb file to be found anywhere on the system...yet Visualizer works a charm on my SU2015. Tried to copy the 1.3.13 folder into the SU2016 setup but no luck... Is this a Windows 7 thing? :shock:



Any help to get it to work appreciated


pilou wrote:For SU 2016 (Visualizer yet installed on SU 2015)
Installation don't work directly ! :shock:
(I suppose that is working directly if Visualizer don't yet installed!)

A little trick! (For Windows 8.1 - I don't know Mac's world! )
Make this new folder Plugins (don't existing because 2016 is new and empty)
and copy past from the ProgramData / SU 2015:
Folder ImaginationVisualizer and file ImaginationVisualizer.rb
That's all! :ugeek:

You must have that! :)

Viz2016.jpg


Works like a charm! :fro: And works in duplication 2015 2016 ! :ugeek:
viz2.jpg
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby pilou » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:28 am

@David
Sorry I can't say more than my previous image! (I am on Windoows 8.1)
You have not this ProgramData folder? (Different than user/Appdata/ folder)
and this Plugins folder is also different than the normal Plugins folder!!!
Have you enable Show hidden files in your WIndows system ?
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby davidmreinbold » Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:17 am

Thanks Pilou, I double checked that hidden files are shown. Searched the whole system. I am having the same issue with one other program plugin called LumenRT. Can't put my finger on it...

Thanks anyway

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pilou wrote:@David
Sorry I can't say more than my previous image! (I am on Windoows 8.1)
You have not this ProgramData folder? (Different than user/Appdata/ folder)
and this Plugins folder is also different than the normal Plugins folder!!!
Have you enable Show hidden files in your WIndows system ?
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby pilou » Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:20 pm

And the search engine of Windows refind nothing on the 2015 where you have vizualizer working?
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby driven » Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:32 pm

you could use 'Ruby Console' in SU v15 to find the path...

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Sketchup.find_support_file('ImaginationVisualizer', 'Plugins')


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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby davidmreinbold » Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:02 pm

Hi Pilou & driven

I have found the files now... they were under a different path in the user / roaming section

I never really worked out why there are to storage paths for Sketchup extensions i.e. roaming or within Sketchup... hence my inconsistency with installing every extension in the same place.


Thanks for your patience guys. :thumb:

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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby willanie » Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:23 pm

Hi pbacot,

I noticed your pool water image had lots of fireflies ... the small bright white dots ... which means you must be using the Visualizer enhanced mode.
If you didn't already know there is a despeckle option which will remove them. They will however, return eventually if you let it render for many hours.
See attached image for how to turn on despeckle.
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby alexandercheyns » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:21 pm

The tutorial from visualizer shows a shaded car as png without background. However I keep having a gray background to all my renders. I've tried adjusting the background in styles and also checked the transparency button in visualizer but still I get gray backgrounds. Love visualizer sad to see it go
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby willanie » Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:42 pm

Hi alexandercheyns,

Visualizer does not support the "styles" features of Sketchup. It always put a procedural sky in the background. I assume you are saving the image in png format. Pardon me if this is obvious but the alpha channel of that image file allows you to layer the foreground on to another background. You do need some compositing software like Photoshop or Gimp to specify the new background. Perhaps you could share an example rendered image.
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby pilou » Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:07 pm

You do need some compositing software like Photoshop or Gimp to specify the new background

Why not put a "false background" image in Sketchup it self ? ;)
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby willanie » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:07 pm

Hi pilou,

Good thought but AFIK this feature doesn't exist in Visualizer.
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby pilou » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:15 pm

Something like this or anything else! (cylindric, hemispheric etc... ;)
And input project any image on this sort of surface as background!

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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby willanie » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:46 am

Hi Pilou,

I didn't understand what you meant by "false background". In fact your "psyche" geometry would produce a nice limbo background with a complex shadow casting of the foreground object.

alexandercheyns,

Just to help clarify what you are asking about, can you post a link to the Visualizer tutorial you referred to. I assume it has something to do with the alpha channel and png files.
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby pilou » Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:16 am

Maybe i don't understant the first original problem! :)
I don't ever understand why there is not always an image with a problem asked! :)
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby pbacot » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:44 pm

I think Pilou means a sort of billboard backdrop. His example seems to also show lighting objects which, of course don't apply. Far easier to add the background image in PS or GIMP, because in SU you are dependent on the sun lighting the backdrop and the limits of image resolution.

Attached is an example using Oli's tree line texture backdrop, as a billboard object in SketchUp.
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby pilou » Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:02 pm

Have you an image of what is wanted ?

Does this resolve the problem?
If i put an image on this face, no shadows on it! :)

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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby willanie » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:19 pm

Hi pilou,

Im pretty sure the original request was related to layering with an alpha channel but until the person chimes back it remains a mystery.

Your diagram is very neat. What software do you use to make such illustrations ... sketchup?

Also the cast shadow toggle is an interesting hidden gem in Visualizer which can be used to emit light from geometry in a limited fashion. It can take quite a while to render a noise free image. Here is a test image.
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby pilou » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:25 pm

Your diagram is very neat. What software do you use to make such illustrations ... sketchup?


Sketchup + Visualizer + Key "PrintScreen"
and copy the screen inside my old PhotoImpact 1992-2000!!!
(the program that I have only bought)for the arrows and text or any retouch!
This last one was terrific : we can even make web site with it! :mrgreen:
The incredible thing is that quasi all functions are working today! :fro:
Some times i add effects with the free Fotor! :)
All that take less 5 minutes! :)
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby masterpaul » Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:19 am

willanie wrote:Hi pilou,

Im pretty sure the original request was related to layering with an alpha channel but until the person chimes back it remains a mystery.

Your diagram is very neat. What software do you use to make such illustrations ... sketchup?

Also the cast shadow toggle is an interesting hidden gem in Visualizer which can be used to emit light from geometry in a limited fashion. It can take quite a while to render a noise free image. Here is a test image.


Woah I never knew that.

Ok I tested it out. Deselecting "Cast shadow" does nothing. However if you deselect "Receive Shadows" then that component starts to emit light.

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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby willanie » Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:34 am

oops sorry about that I meant receive shadow ... which lets the sun and sky light effect the object regardless of any other geometry in the scene
the sun/sky time of day and orientation relative to the sun still effects the brightness which makes it not quite a pure emmisive surface but still kind of neat
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby pbacot » Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:22 am

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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby youemailme » Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:43 pm

willanie wrote:Hi beacharch

This approach assumes you have already installed Sketchup2015 or Sketchup2014 and Visualizer.

After installing Sketchup2016
dont start Sketchup2016 yet and go to folder
/Library/Application Support/

If there isn't one already create this folder hierarchy(exactly matching upper and lowercase)
/Library/Application Support/Sketchup 2016/Sketchup/Plugins

from /Library/Application Support/Sketchup 2015/Sketchup/Plugins
copy these two items(one is a folder the other is a ruby file)
ImaginationVisualizer
ImaginationVisualizer.rb
paste them into
/Library/Application Support/Sketchup 2016/Sketchup/Plugins

Now launch Sketchup2016 you should see Visualizer under the Extensions pull-down.
If Visualizer doesn't show up in the Extensions pull-down
click on
Sketchup->Preferences->Extensions
you should see Visualizer with an unchecked toggle box ... check that toggle on
close the preferences window

and Bob's your uncle Visualizer running in Sketchup2016
(you may have to relaunch Sketchup)

OK, I'm confused! I finally found the ImaginationVisualizer folder and .rb file, though they were in a folder "plugins" in C:. I can't for the life of me figure out what you're referring to by the folder "/Library/Application Support". Where is this to be found? I tried pasting the above folder and .rb into the plugins folder in SU 2016, but when I start SU, I get the following load error:


Error Loading File ImaginationVisualizer/iv_localization
Could not find included file 'ImaginationVisualizer/iv_localization'
Error Loading File ImaginationVisualizer.rb
Error: #<NoMethodError: undefined method `TRANSLATE' for ImgTecVis:Module>
C:/Users/SHD/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2016/SketchUp/Plugins/ImaginationVisualizer.rb:20:in `<module:ImgTecVis>'
C:/Users/SHD/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2016/SketchUp/Plugins/ImaginationVisualizer.rb:14:in `<top (required)>'
Error Loading File ImaginationVisualizer/iv_initialize
Could not find included file 'ImaginationVisualizer/iv_initialize'
Error Loading File ImaginationVisualizer/iv_menus
Could not find included file 'ImaginationVisualizer/iv_menus'

What am I doing wrong?

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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby willanie » Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:56 pm

Hi youemailme,

Take a look at this post on the sketchup forums
user john_drivenupthewall has provided a way to do it from the sketchup ruby console.

http://forums.sketchup.com/t/visualizer ... 6/18317/29
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby driven » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:05 pm

That's a mac way, I'd have to modify it for PC's and to do that I'd need to add some ruby...

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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby willanie » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:47 pm

Yes you are right john, unfortunately I read youemailme's post too quickly and thought they were installing on a Mac not windows PC platform.

youemailme your "quoted" section is referring to installing on a Mac.
Please read pilou's post that explains how to do it on Windows
here
viewtopic.php?f=80&t=57758&start=60#p581313
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby youemailme » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:12 pm

willanie wrote:Yes you are right john, unfortunately I read youemailme's post too quickly and thought they were installing on a Mac not windows PC platform.

youemailme your "quoted" section is referring to installing on a Mac.
Please read pilou's post that explains how to do it on Windows
here
viewtopic.php?f=80&t=57758&start=60#p581313

Thanks John & willanie. My bad for not indicating I'm on PC, and got your post just in time as I was just about to start figuring out how to cut and paste the ruby stuff. Now I understand why I couldn't make sense of "library" etc.

I originally started with Pilou's directions, and couldn't make a lot of sense of it since his computer is French & I had to figure out that "program data" is not "program files", but "app data" on mine.

It also mystified me why I couldn't find either the visualizer folder or file within SU 2015, anywhere in either program files or app data. FINALLY, I found them not in users>(my computer), but in ALL USERS, where there's a sketchup folder as well. Having found them, I hoped it would be as simple as copying and pasting it into the same location in 2016. No luck. Went through the steps again and realized 2016 didn't have a folder named plugins, so created that and moved the visualizer stuff. Now Pilou's comment about needing to create a plugins folder made sense. Thought for sure that would work, but now I get a load error message again:

Error Loading File ImaginationVisualizer/iv_localization
Could not find included file 'ImaginationVisualizer/iv_localization'
Error Loading File ImaginationVisualizer.rb
Error: #<NoMethodError: undefined method `TRANSLATE' for ImgTecVis:Module>
C:/ProgramData/SketchUp/SketchUp 2016/SketchUp/Plugins/ImaginationVisualizer.rb:20:in `<module:ImgTecVis>'
C:/ProgramData/SketchUp/SketchUp 2016/SketchUp/Plugins/ImaginationVisualizer.rb:14:in `<top (required)>'

However, now I find visualizer in window>preferences>extensions, and it's checked. But it still doesn't show under extensions in SU. Any ideas?
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby youemailme » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:20 pm

Success! For some reason, when I copied and pasted the ImaginationVisualizer folder and .rb, the pasted folder didn't contain all the files and folders in the origin location. So I copied the contents of the origin folder and pasted them into the destination folder, which included the iv_localization file that the load error kept citing. Well, there went THIS day! Thanks again for your help.....
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Re: Visualizer for SketchUp

Postby ZahariStoyanov » Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:57 am

willanie wrote:Hi pilou,

Im pretty sure the original request was related to layering with an alpha channel but until the person chimes back it remains a mystery.

Your diagram is very neat. What software do you use to make such illustrations ... sketchup?

Also the cast shadow toggle is an interesting hidden gem in Visualizer which can be used to emit light from geometry in a limited fashion. It can take quite a while to render a noise free image. Here is a test image.


Dude, I've been wondering how to create light sources for quite a while now :D Thanks for the tip!
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