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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby Gaieus » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:44 pm

Hehe...

Maybe I should merge the two topics and move the whole thing here?

Yes, Mike, that little subforum is kind of hidden from the sight. What do you think?
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby pilou » Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:11 pm

Does this work on Mac by the way?

I am affraid that will be only for PC :roll: (wait the visite of Hipe-O ;)
But for mac exist some method (dual exploitation system, Virtual PC etc...
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby hipe-0 » Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:47 pm

Hi Guys,

my name is Hippolyte from http://www.photosculpt.net

I'm new to your forums and many thanks to Pilou and Mike for the multiple invitations. :)

I've used sketchup a lot last year. I'm a total fan of this application. :enlight:
I'm a design engineer, I know also most mechanical CAD packages (Catia 4&5, proe, ug, ideas, etc) and Sketchup blasted me as it was so userfriendly in comparison. I never thought this would be possible to design something that cool. Good job devs! :thumb:

To your questions :
Mac version: I'm sorry that's not possible now. I'm working full steam on the PC version. If this version work, they maybe I'll work on the mac version.

Price question: I'm doing a market study, that's really too soon to reply. Let's say I want the price to be 'normal'. Gaieus is right, what is 'normal' in every user's mind? That's a mystery now.

low/hi polygon extraction is a feature of PhotoSculpt.
Pressing the < > buttons on the PhotoSculpt interface divides or multiply model size by 2. You get immediate feedback on screen.
Additionaly a friend of mine have requested the 'save multiple' option. So you can now save whatever multiple polysizes with whatever maps in one go.

Archaeological use: That's a very good question, :thumb: I have contacted people that work in this domain, I really think as you do Gaieus that my software can help them documenting findings in 3D. Some of them actually do that already. Some are using high end lasers, other use cameras and beamers to project bars, but they usually all describe something really cumbersome and expensive.
On my side I have made some experiments on the site of Plagne, France, close to Geneva, where they recently spotted dinosaur foot steps. I got wonderfull results in no time as I shot the entire site in 12 minutes (about 50 shots). I can share that.

to Jolran: you seem to have a lot of expectations about PhotoSculpt. You or anyone else please don't hesitate to send me your wish list, I may not be able to do everything, but just keep asking, that's really the only way I can make the soft improve.

Any other question? Please do not hesitate!

Now my questions about sketchup pro, can someone help me?
1. What is the practical polycount limit of sketchup pro when importing obj files (or stl files)?
2. Can you use normal maps with sketchup pro? Can you do with another renderer?
3. can you use displacement maps to push geometry with sketchup pro?

Thanks everyone! Thanks for your invitation!
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby pilou » Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:47 pm

1 I am affraid to say that I believe that
SU PRO import only 3ds (so 65 535 polys max by objects) , dwg, dxf, Collada (Dae), KMZ, formats ;)
So maybe a converter must be used
and for the other I believe for the moment that is
2 No Yes
3 No
with the current version : maybe a day some plugs can makes that ;)
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby Gaieus » Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:46 am

Hi Hipe-0 and welcome (finally) :)

I would have a question about keyboard strokes you mention. You obviously know that non-English keyboards tend to vary from country to country. On my (Hungarian) keyboard layout for instance, I have to use the Alt+Ctrl (or AltGr on the right) plus some other letter keyboard combination in order to get the < and > symbols. Would this affect the use of the software? (Currently I am unable to use some of the features of SketchUp because of this).

As for polycount in SU - it can depend on a lot of things. A whole archaeological site could obviously not be presented this way but there are workarounds like TIG's matrix proximity or Fredo's GhostComp plugins to display more complex geometry when it's near and simpler versions when they are in the distance.

Photo-realistic rendering with bump and displacement maps are generally done in external apps (or apps that - though plugins - work in SU itself). These are not "interactive" however although LightUp for instance "bakes" such info into the SU model and the you can walk around or export to other applications - so there are endless possibilities.
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby hipe-0 » Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:08 pm

I agree with you about keyboards Gaieus, I have a french one and it's a mess sometimes. Concerning the < and > I meant the buttons on the interface, not the equivalent key on your keyboard.

I've just updated my web site with many more information about PhotoSculpt Textures plus about 70 images and free seamless textures.

Go to:
http://www.photosculpt.net and click menu/photosculpt textures/gallery

Let's discuss?
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby jolran » Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:00 pm

Well I suspect a workflow similar to Zbrush. With lower-mesh to higher-mesh normalmap extraction.
And then using normalmap(or displ.) + textures on a basemesh with realtively low polygoncount.

Otherwise its quite useless


Im sorry. I must make it clear that I ment it would be hard to use for SU users with big polygoncountmeshes.
SU is 32 bit as well.

How are UVs made? Polypaint and then UNWRAP?
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby Gaieus » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:09 pm

OK, thanks, Hippe-0! I will check out all those things, promise, before coming up with a silly question again!
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby hipe-0 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:18 am

To jolran, don't be sorry that was a good question! :thumb:

UV:
This is simple: it's a regular grid flat projected onto the model, based on the camera main axis.

I like this as it basically gives best results: it always work, it makes no seams and all textures you create are directly fully usable onto the model.

UVs are automatically created when exporting the model.
So you don't really mess with them. If by any chance you need to change something, you can still do it within your own 3d app.
You cannot for instance polypaint or unwrap within photosculpt.

Hoping this made sense?
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby mitcorb » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:34 am

I notice system requirements mentions DirectX 9. Here's my naive question:
What does this mean relative to SU's use of OpenGL, and some video cards? Does this create any limitations?
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby jolran » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:50 am

That make pefect sence. Its like "Cameramapping" in XSI.

Sounds great!

And for all people who doesent have PRO version(majority) import of obj might be problematic.
One can use Ultimate Unwrap3d or Okino. The mentioned first is cheaper and has UV editing, good companion to Photo sculpt
maybe :P
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby hipe-0 » Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:42 pm

mitcorb wrote:I notice system requirements mentions DirectX 9. Here's my naive question:
What does this mean relative to SU's use of OpenGL, and some video cards? Does this create any limitations?


I'm not entirely sure to understand your question Mitcorb, sorry?

PhotoSculpt uses the DirectX9 api from Microsoft.
Those Dx9 functions are part of dx10 and dx11 too and run with no problem if you have them installed.

One limitation is if you have dx8 only, whitch is rare, then it won't work.

I have no plan to make use of opengl today, do you need that?

I hope to have answered your question?
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby mitcorb » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:06 pm

Well, I did say it was a naive question.
I am not even sure if Directx and OpenGL have any compatibility issues or not, or whether some graphics cards are dependent on one or the other.
I just need to do some more research for my own understanding.
Thanks for your reply, hipe-0.
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby hipe-0 » Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:00 pm

mitcorb wrote:Well, I did say it was a naive question.
I am not even sure if Directx and OpenGL have any compatibility issues or not, or whether some graphics cards are dependent on one or the other.
I just need to do some more research for my own understanding.
Thanks for your reply, hipe-0.


Don't worry, there are no "naive questions". Hoping to have helped you or reassured you. I tested the software on xp, win 7 , vista, 32, 64 bits it runs on all configurations.
I don't know about graphic cards that are opengl only. That may well exist on pc or maybe only with unix workstations. Anyone knows?
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby pilou » Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:13 pm

Video of the Interface ;)
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby pilou » Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:13 pm

Video of the Interface ;)
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Démo Démo Démo !

Postby hipe-0 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:45 pm

Bonjour à tous,

la démo du soft est maintenant en ligne sur http://www.photosculpt.net :berserk:

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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby xrok1 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:26 pm

you don't want english customers too? :lol:

it looks like a demo is availiable everybody. dig in.
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby hipe-0 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:44 pm

xrok1 wrote:you don't want english customers too? :lol:

it looks like a demo is availiable everybody. dig in.


Who was that who posted in French? Me? No way :shock: :D :knockout: :roflmao:
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby hipe-0 » Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:35 pm

Guys,

my software is out now, the wait is over! :berserk:

The individual licence is EUR 99.00

See http://www.photosculpt.net for more. Hoping to have you as customer soon?

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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby Gaieus » Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:06 pm

Congrats, hipe-O
(and sorry that I gave so little feedback during testing - I will conclude my findings personally but I have not been able to put together any really nice "gallery" or "competition" stuff unfortunately).
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby hipe-0 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:08 am

Gaieus wrote:Congrats, hipe-O
(and sorry that I gave so little feedback during testing - I will conclude my findings personally but I have not been able to put together any really nice "gallery" or "competition" stuff unfortunately).


Thanks ! Don't worry you still have the time and there will be other competitions too after this one. ;)
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby xrok1 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:14 am

well i think that's a pretty reasonable decision on the price. i think i'll check it out now that the mystery is over. didn't want to try it before just to find out the price was unreasonable.
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby Gaieus » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:41 am

hipe-0 wrote:Thanks ! Don't worry you still have the time and there will be other competitions too after this one. ;)

I really hope so!
;)

xrok1 wrote:well i think that's a pretty reasonable decision on the price.

True. I would also priced it a bit higher (but of course, I don't want to give ideas - hipe-O know that anyways...)
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby hipe-0 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:46 am

Gaieus wrote:
hipe-0 wrote:Thanks ! Don't worry you still have the time and there will be other competitions too after this one. ;)

I really hope so!
;)

xrok1 wrote:well i think that's a pretty reasonable decision on the price.

True. I would also priced it a bit higher (but of course, I don't want to give ideas - hipe-O know that anyways...)
:D


Thanks guys for your feedback. I'm pleased the price is ok for you. It's a difficult question and from the marketing study that you guys helped on (thanks!) I think this is reasonable.

Q: there is a thread I didn't knew about but strangely I cannot access it when I'm logged in "You are not authorised to read this forum." : http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=25791 My web site detected trafic from it and they seem to have questions. Any idea about what I should do?
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby pilou » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:10 pm

@Hipe
Il faut s'inscrire au sous-forum "Français"
En passant par les menus des messages persos, onglet "Usergroups"
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby hipe-0 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:36 pm

Pilou wrote:@Hipe
Il faut s'inscrire au sous-forum "Français"
En passant par les menus des messages persos, onglet "Usergroups"


Ca a marché merci Pilou!
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby pilou » Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:34 pm

New function Alpha Map ;)
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby Gaieus » Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:08 pm

BTW Pilou,

What method do you use to bring the models into SU (if you do at all) and with what settings?
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Re: Photo sculpt

Postby MALAISE » Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:35 pm

Hi ALL

First class software. To import the result into Sketchup, we may use OBJ-Import.

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