Medeek Wall Plugin

Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:06 pm

Version 0.7.6f - 06.07.2018
- Added the ability to lock the cursor to the X or Y axis for the "Draw Wall Tool" (line and polyline) by pressing the SHIFT key.
- Added the ability to lock the cursor to the 45 deg. and 135 deg. axis for the "Draw Wall Tool" (line and polyline) by pressing the CTRL key.

Also note that I fixed a couple of bugs I accidentally created when making the code adjustments for version 0.7.6e, I managed to break the plugin for all TRIAL users.

Therefore this is a critical update, please remove the prior version and install this version which will fix the error introduced last night. This is what happens when I try to get too much done in one day.

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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby alpro » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:38 pm

Any chance to be able to add our own textures to the walls ? Would it be possible to just have a library that we could add too......would like to see that also in the roof textures with the truss tool.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:55 pm

alpro wrote:Any chance to be able to add our own textures to the walls ? Would it be possible to just have a library that we could add too......would like to see that also in the roof textures with the truss tool.


When you say walls, are you talking about texturing the framing, cladding, sheathing or gypsum?
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:34 am

Version 0.7.7 - 06.08.2018
- Created the Medeek Wall Plugin LT, a lighter version of the plugin with internal wall framing, estimating and engineering removed.
- Horizontal and Vertical OSB sheathing materials added to the pre-installed plugin materials.



Note that the June promo does not apply to the LT version of the plugin
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby alpro » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:32 am

As far as texturing I'm talking about cladding and gypsum so that I can show client specified materials and that I don't lose those materials when a client makes changes and the walls need rebuilt.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby alpro » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:18 pm

So finally had some time to really try this out and have run into 3 issues,
1)My global settings don't stick
2)No matter what settings I use or which direction that I draw the wall in the cladding always is inside.
3)Would be nice if last settings were remembered when drawing a new wall
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:22 pm

alpro wrote:So finally had some time to really try this out and have run into 3 issues,
1)My global settings don't stick
2)No matter what settings I use or which direction that I draw the wall in the cladding always is inside.
3)Would be nice if last settings were remembered when drawing a new wall


What version are you using?

Also only use the FRONT justification, the other two are currently flawed and I am working on them.

I will need more details on which global settings are taking and also your operating system.

The previous settings should be recalled when starting a new wall, however this issue was only recently addressed in 0.7.6f, be sure to install the latest version.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:38 pm

I've been getting a lot of feedback on the UI lately, for good reason of course (it's terrible).

The wall draw tool with its multiple menus is what I am talking about.

After reviewing various suggestions and giving it some more thought I think the solution is two fold:

1.) Go to an HTML menu, similar in design to the current edit menu that remains open during wall creation and allows the user to make changes during wall creation with the polyline tool (ie. changing wall height on specific wall segments that are in a drop down living room).

2.) Enabling user presets where all of the basic and advanced parameters for a wall are saved to a user defined preset that can be instantly recalled within both the wall draw and edit menus. For example, this would allow the user to quickly define and then recall a 2x6 ext. wall with a 1" air gap and brick cladding, rather than having to peruse through all of the settings every time and recreating the wheel just to put together a standard wall type.

Certain parameters would not be saved as part of a wall preset. I haven't nailed down exactly which of those parameter to exclude but my first shot at it would be:

- Wall Length
- Wall Group
- Wall Framing (2D, 3D etc...)
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:50 pm

I also really like the idea of having a user material library where you can just dump your pre-configured SKM files and the plugin then has the ability to pick and choose from these materials.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby alpro » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:12 pm

Ok nevermind on #1, didn't realize that I had to "save settings" on each page of the global settings, thought I could make all my changes and save settings just once.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby alpro » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:36 pm

Had an error running 2 45° bays, totally reproducible, happens every time.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:16 pm

alpro wrote:Had an error running 2 45° bays, totally reproducible, happens every time.


Can you send me your model or at least the wall panel in question and the walls adjacent to this panel. I need to examine this further, and review my stud spacing algorithm especially how it is handling non-orthogonal walls.

My email is nathan@medeek.com

Don't erase this wall panel from your model, once I address the bug you can simply rebuild the wall with the updated plugin and will be resolved.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:28 pm

Does anyone have a good Tyvek house wrap material or texture that I can incorporate into the plugin?
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:49 pm

Version 0.7.7b - 06.09.2018

- Horizontal and Vertical plywood sheathing materials added to the pre-installed plugin materials.





I realize this a fairly insignificant item, but it was user requested and one of those things I could knock out in about 10 minutes or less.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:13 pm

I'm actually not a big fan of Tyvek, at least not in our marine environment on the beach out here in western Washington but I do know it gets used a lot. This is the OSB + TYVEK option:



Only the outside face of the sheathing gets the Tyvek material and the sheathing group gets the generic OSB material.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:59 pm

The updated main toolbar:



I'm adding one extra icon for estimating, this will allow the user to create a bill of materials for one or more (multiple) wall panels.

At this point I am not interested in developing a sophisticated estimating program with the ability to associate costs to various materials etc... Basically I just want the estimating feature to be able to spit out a CSV file with a comprehensive parts list that can then be dropped into any spreadsheet software (ie. Excel) and the user can take it from there.

As an engineer I use Excel for a number of things including very complicated calculators. Spreadsheets are pretty much the bread and butter of any design professional, or someone working in the construction industry. With that being said a CSV file makes the most sense to me.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:51 am

Version 0.7.7c - 06.09.2018
- Tyvek + OSB material added to the pre-installed plugin materials.
- Added 2D construction line options for sheathing, cladding and gypsum within the global settings.



Taking it a bit slow today, just a few minor items and some small fires to put out, catching a bit of a breather.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby Charlie__V » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:41 pm

medeek wrote:Version 0.7.7c - 06.09.2018

- Added 2D construction line options for sheathing, cladding and gypsum within the global settings.


Nice! Thanks Nathaniel

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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby alpro » Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:11 pm

Still testing out to get a good feel for this plugin as I have a project that I would like to use it on along with the foundation and truss plugins. There definitely is an issue with the stud spacing algorithm, this time the bays worked but as you can see the outside corner didn't.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby Charlie__V » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:32 pm

alpro wrote: There definitely is an issue with the stud spacing algorithm, this time the bays worked but as you can see the outside corner didn't.

Edit the connecting walls in question and make sure the corner settings are correct.
I am on iPad now so no access to correct terminology from within plug-in.......but it should be corner of course and not T

Edit:
Also double ck walls as to their respective elevations & ht’s. (same/same)

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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:49 pm

The latest release has not yet addressed the stud spacing algorithm issue. The reason being is that I have to test it in numerous states to verify all possible situations are calculating correctly, and even though I have made some critical changes to the algorithm I am not yet ready to push it out. I am looking at this right now and hopefully should have the fix out later this afternoon.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby alpro » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:22 pm

Charlie pointed me in the right direction, end corner was set to inside corner though I was sure I had set it to outside corner, once I did that and updated all was good.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:19 am

Version 0.7.7d - 06.10.2018
- Added 2D (construction or solid) line options for sheathing, cladding and gypsum within the global settings.
- Fixed a bug within the corner trim module (trim width).
- Added additional standard metric stud sizes: 36x68, 36x98, 36x148, 36x198, 48x72, 48x98, 48x148, 48x198
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:46 pm

This is the direction I am going with the Wall Edit Menu UI and Draw wall Tool:



Notice the wall presets section at the top of the UI, here you can delete, load or save a preset wall template.

The actual templates will be stored in a simple text file within a sub-folder called "presets", that way the user can also manually edit the wall preset file and even cut and paste presets from other users into their preset file. This solution offers the most flexibility and user control in my opinion.

Loading a preset will re-populate all of the parameters in the form below except for the excluded items.

The save function will create a new preset (with user entered name/description) based on the currently listed parameters in the form.

Does this make sense? and the better question, am I missing anything here?

Hopefully this new addition of presets will speed up the wall creation process and spare the user from having to recreate a specific wall type from scratch each time they start a new model or session.

I still have not fully arrived at what the excluded parameters should be in the wall preset functions so please provide any feedback in this regard.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby Charlie__V » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:25 pm

1.) Since we can enter wall lengths as feet and inches while drawing can we please have the wall length editable in same format? TIA
Wall_Length_Ft_Inch.PNG



2.)Are there any unforeseen/adverse effects of moving a wall using the native SU move tool?
(Realizing using the Medeek wall move tool will auto-heal/move existing walls if attached in a way they will follow/heal.)
But for other circumstances where this is not the case.

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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:38 pm

Charlie__V wrote:1.) Since we can enter wall lengths as feet and inches while drawing can we please have the wall length editable in same format? TIA


2.)Are there any unforeseen/adverse effects of moving a wall using the native SU move tool?
(Realizing using the Medeek wall move tool will auto-heal/move existing walls if attached in a way they will follow/heal.)
But for other circumstances where this is not the case.

Charlie


Funny as I have not really noticed that with the wall length until you pointed it out. Yes, we can switch it to feet-inches for imperial units.

Yes, you can move the walls with the SU move tool without any adverse issues (at least none to my knowledge currently). But as you have already stated manually moving a wall will disconnect it from any previously attached walls.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby Charlie__V » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:41 pm

medeek wrote:This is the direction I am going with the Wall Edit Menu UI and Draw wall Tool:



Notice the wall presets section at the top of the UI, here you can delete, load or save a preset wall template.

The actual templates will be stored in a simple text file within a sub-folder called "presets", that way the user can also manually edit the wall preset file and even cut and paste presets from other users into their preset file. This solution offers the most flexibility and user control in my opinion.

Loading a preset will re-populate all of the parameters in the form below except for the excluded items.

The save function will create a new preset (with user entered name/description) based on the currently listed parameters in the form.

Does this make sense? and the better question, am I missing anything here?



I think the more information you can pre-set and leave out of initial "draw wall" window the better.

IE:
A 2x6 Ext.Wall_Horiz.Side_16_O.C. removes the need to specify stud width/depth/O.C./plates/etc. if wall name/definition states it.

Or a 2x6 Ext.Wall_Horiz.Side_16_O.C.Trtd.plate has treated bottom plate only.

An edit button for the active wall definition would be great to have too.(within initial "draw wall" window)
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby Charlie__V » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:51 pm

PS
When using polyline it seems the draw wall tool is self aware enough it doesn't require the need to pre-select "start" and "end" type........so maybe that is not necessary on initial "draw window" either
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:30 pm

Charlie__V wrote:PS
When using polyline it seems the draw wall tool is self aware enough it doesn't require the need to pre-select "start" and "end" type........so maybe that is not necessary on initial "draw window" either


You are correct. When the auto-corner configuration global setting is enabled the plugin will correctly sense the corner angles and configurations and take care of that automatically. If this global setting is enabled I should probably just gray out the appropriate parameters (at least in the draw tool GUI). One can always edit a wall and manually change these value which will override the auto behaviour.

I like how you term it "self aware", I'm a huge fan of AI and a bit of an AI programmer myself but I wouldn't go quite so far as to call this AI or even self aware. Just a fairly complicated algorithm that tries to check for specific wall corner and tee intersections. As time goes on the algorithm will probably be revisited a few more times making it more robust and flexible, but it has no capacity to learn (ie. memory). Just a static set of instructions which it follows without variation.

However, with that being said I have considered using some sort of adaptive behavior for the plugin that would slowly adapt to the users most commonly used values for certain parameters and try to predict what those values should be in the future. A good example of this would be header selection for interior walls. Over time it would begin to rank which header sizes/types are used the most and then within the drop down menus it could sort them so that the most commonly used sizes appear at the top of the list with the most commonly used one being selected as default.

Again I don't know if I would call this AI but it would certainly be adaptive software and would tailor itself to the users habits.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby Bob James » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:56 pm

Where are the updated versions located for downloading?

Do just go to http://design.medeek.com/resources/medeekwallplugin.html and download the Trial?
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