Foundation Plugin

Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:15 am

Version 1.0.0 - 07.03.2016
- Created Medeek Foundation Plugin, utilizing SketchUp's Ruby API.
- Added slab on grade foundation type (rectangular outline only).
- Added garage curb and interior footing options.



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The thing that would make this plugin particularly useful is if the user could define a polygon outline for the foundation, that will be next, then onto stemwall foundations.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:47 am

Link to the plugin web page (under construction):

http://design.medeek.com/resources/mede ... lugin.html

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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:13 pm

My wife kindly pointed out that the interior footing might not extend the full width or length of the building, very good point. To correctly specify an interior footing you also need a start and end point, so five inputs total to define this feature:

Direction: X Dir or Y Dir
Footing Width:
Footing Depth:
Start: Measured from first selection point that defines foundation outline.
End: Measured from first selection point that defines foundation outline, must be greater than Start length.

An example of a partial width interior footing:



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The problem with the basic UI is that it only allows for one interior footing. If I webdialog this input menu I can show the layout of the foundation in plan view and allow for an unlimited number of interior footings as well as have footings running in both the X and Y direction. The possibilities are really endless.

The same methodology would apply for an arbitrary polygon shaped foundation.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby pbacot » Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:41 pm

Interior footings are so variable. You might not have these all figured out long after the others, because they are only needed in certain structural requirements, which are figured out later in the process. Then there are pads for posts.

This looks like a great start! Foundations can become very complex, but getting the basic perimeter in would be nice, especially where it can be pushed and pulled for modifications later--letting you have a simple base for your preliminary model. When I think of my projects it's seems each one has one special condition after another.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:04 am

The ability to go back in and easily edit a foundation without having to recreate it will be crucial to the success of this plugin.

Version 1.0.1 - 07.05.2016
- Enabled partial width interior footings for slab on grade foundation.
- Addressed minor bugs with UI geometry menu: Interior footing depth can now be specified.



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https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model. ... 5887260a23

Interior footings quickly complicate things but a well designed html UI should clarify things greatly and make it much more intuitive. That will be the next objective.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby juju » Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:55 am

how about the ability to exclude area (-s), eg. island areas?

if I were to be interested by this I would probably only use it for slabs without plinth walls (have Profile Builder 2 for this), etc. - thus ability to add sub-base layers and specify thicknesses would help.

EDIT:

Also the ability to add specified layers on top of the slab would help automate 3D modeling.

Then to be able to specify the TOC or FFL as origin from which to build the configuration would be great!
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:59 pm

Currently the top of the slab is the origin. What do you mean by layers on top of the slab?
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby pbacot » Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:13 pm

Certainly, juju, I'd assumed that a Medeek plugin would be moving towards all sorts of options: plinth wall, no plinth wall, raised floor,retaining wall, basement, garage (floating) slab...
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:37 pm

If the exclusion area is simply a hole in the slab then it is probably easiest just to push/pull a hole in the slab. However, if the exclusion area is a large opening with footings required at the perimeter then that is a different matter. It might look something like this:



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https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model. ... 8dc8155413

Note how the opening bisects the interior footing, which does potentially complicate any algorithm that would generate the hole and perimeter footing. I will have to give this some more thought...
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:14 am

Typical stem wall foundation (crawlspace) with interior strip footing and floor beam. This is what is built locally around these parts (Ocean Shores, Washington):



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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby pbacot » Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:46 am

Nice.

If the girder is only supporting the floor, around here we use isolated post and piers without the connecting footing.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:19 am

I've seen the footings done both ways. Locally the majority of homes are built very close to the beach directly on sand with a high water table that fluctuates with the tides. The strip footing helps prevent shifting of the piers and posts and uneven settlement.

Out of curiosity what are the typical dimensions of your piers? and posts?

Some contractors locally like to use 4x4 posts and some default to 4x6 with a floor beam size of 4X8 fairly typical. When I do the engineering I will check the floor beams and posts as well as the soil pressure at the footing but I rarely encounter a problem.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:43 pm

Version 1.0.2 - 07.08.2016
- Added stemwall foundation type (rectangular outline only).
- Enabled post and pier interior floor beam(s) with a strip footing.
- Added brick ledge option to stemwall foundation.



View model here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model. ... 1c9bb95f8a

The interior floor/footing assembly is grouped as a component so that adding extra floor beams or moving them is easily accomplished.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby pilou » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:08 pm

Something that will working with every start surface will be very fine! :ugeek:
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:25 pm

Would it be easier for a user to pick a number of points to describe a polygon or to have a tool that allows one to select an existing face as that polygon? I also need a stemwall tool that allows one to create single walls (curved or linear) since there are times where you do not want to create a closed polygon outline.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:38 am

When the user selects a type B footing (stemwall foundation) a keyway is inserted between the stemwall and footing:



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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby facer » Sat Jul 09, 2016 2:24 pm

View Medeek skp models in 3D Viewer

When viewing plugin at given link such as
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you can activate the 3D WebGL Viewer to inspect the 3D Model.
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Garage Door Blockout

Postby medeek » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:10 am

I'm trying to determine which is the preferred method of blocking out a stemwall foundation for garage doors where a slab will be poured in the garage. I've seen it done both ways. Option 1 does not typically block all of the stemwall out and seems to be more common in locations where the frostline is deeper (24" or deeper). Option 2 completely blocks out the stemwall at the garage door and then a thicken edge is poured where the slab meets the footing at the garage door. From a structural point of view which is the better method and also from a construction point of view what are the pros and cons?

Option 1:



Option 2:



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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:32 pm

I should point out I've also seen a sort of a combination of the two options where the blockout does not extend to the footing but a thickened edge is employed at the slab/door interface and the thickened edge is typically 2x the slab thickness, or called out as a minimum dimension of 8".

Option 3:

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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby pbacot » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:46 pm

That looks like a better one. Then there's someone I am working with now who wants the slab floating and not resting or tied to the foundation at all. Preference could depend on soils.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:46 pm

If there is enough room between the footing and the slab I could see how one could omit the stemwall and have a layer of gravel, sand, soil between the slab and the footing at the opening. I have never seen a slab poured that way at the garage door opening but it doesn't mean it can't be done. I supposed one could even go so far as omit the footing across the opening as well but from a structural standpoint I would highly discourage that, much better to tie the building foundation together at the perimeter with regard to lateral loads.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby KrisM » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:30 pm

Option 1 is what I have used many times. Never the others. Frost depth 2 to 3 feet typically.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:03 am

The blockout methods seem to be all over the board, I've even talked with some of my engineering friends and the response is mixed there as well. I guess I just need to provide the option for any of these three configurations within the plugin. Sometimes I feel that I get bogged down in the details but I hope some of this level of detail is appreciated.

The other issue I'm having with slabs within garage spaces is the slope of the slab. I'm trying to determine if is worth trying to incorporate a slope into the slab as it would actually be poured. As far as I know there is not a minimum slope specified for garage floors in the IRC 2015 or earlier only this fairly general statement:

The area of the floor used for parking of automobiles or other vehicles shall be sloped to facilitate the movement of liquids to a drain or toward the main vehicle entry doorway.

Typically the garage slope is 1/8" per foot or 1:96, how critical is this to you the user of the plugin? Flat would be easier to program but then your blocked out entries on the side of a garage would be only theoretical.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby MtnArch » Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:32 am

A few observations ...
1) In residential construction here in central California the norm is to pour the garage slab monolithically with the footings. Some builders will pour the footings and stems first and then come back with the garage floor slab, but there aren't many. Our frost depth is very shallow.
2) My preference for sloping of the garage slab is to have a 3-1/2" drop at the top end below the residence's finished floor slab and sloped down to 5-1/2" at the garage door end.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby KrisM » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:31 am

My feeling about slopes is that I absolutely want to model them. There are a lot of instances where having the real slope gives you valuable information with regard to the actual construction. A case in point would be - What is the real height of a deck beam. I would rather have this information on the drawing or model rather that having the carpenter figuring it out on the jobsite.
With respect to garage slabs, I usually have the slab 2" min below the adjacent house floor with a 2" slope from the back of the garage to the garage door.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby pbacot » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:16 am

And where do you set the floor height from. Usually I end up working out what is best at the rear of the garage and sloping from there.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:19 am

Here is a quick study on a garage slab that slopes 3" over about 24':



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What to do with the slope at the garage door? I've flattened it out but that leaves a line in the slab.

At the side door entrance the right side of the slab is about 3/8" higher than the left side. Entrances that are parallel to the slope will have this property (problem?).

At the rear of the garage the slab is 6" below the top of the foundation and at the garage door it is 9" below the top. Perusing through different plan sets I've collected over the years this seems pretty typical for the slope (1/8" in 12").

I think I should probably make the slope an option so those that want to model it can.

Rather than make the slope a percent grade or degrees I think it would be easiest to let the users specify a total rise or drop for the entire slab.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:51 am

I was playing with the Dibac plugin a little bit today and I really like the wall creation tool or how it works when selecting the 2D wall layout. I think I can program something like this for stem wall creation (polyline) that would allow the user to select any random stem wall layout. I've pretty much got it worked out already but I'm trying to figure out how to do that little trick with the tab key which allows the user to toggle the wall justification. Any hints would be appreciated.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby medeek » Thu Jul 14, 2016 4:32 am

I've been investigating attributes today trying to get a better handle on this aspect of SketchUp. I've noticed that the housebuilder plugin creates a category called "einfo" and stores a number of variables one of which is the "origin". If you manually move the wall group the origin attribute will automatically reflect this change in location. This is exactly the feature I need for my various assemblies (groups) so that I can add an edit feature. Howevever, I can't seem to figure out how this attribute is automatically updating. When I create an "origin" attribute under a "einfo" category it does not update. I must be missing something.
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Re: Foundation Plugin

Postby juju » Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:39 am

Try asking those questions in the develops section, I'm sure someone there would be able to point you in the right direction. Most visitors (including me) that frequent this section (and others) would not be able to even comprehend what you're referring to.
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