[Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.14

Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10

Postby ppoublan » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:01 am

matt.gordon320 wrote:I'd love to see an eventual option for root systems, and especially on option for Aerial root systems like on the mangrove or banyan trees.


Hi Matt,
This is a good idea. I've seen this feature in more complex trees/plants generators.
I will look how to develop it, but it can take me long. Will try.

A kind of cheat/workaround to achieve this with the current version may be :
- create your root system as a second tree
- when happy with the result, flip it vertically, scale, and place under the first tree.

Here is an example :
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10

Postby pilou » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:45 am

Works fine with LightUp! :enlight:

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And the fabulous Rail road system by Eneroth! :enlight:
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10

Postby laudhi » Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:11 pm

i wish there is more option for vine/ivy.it will be amazing.... :P
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10

Postby ppoublan » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:39 pm

laudhi wrote:i wish there is more option for vine/ivy.it will be amazing.... :P


Hi Laudhi,
Have you checked the Ivy tool from pierreden publihed in this forum ? I'm also using it and maybe it will allow you to achieve what you want.
Regarding 3D Tree Maker, you can use existing parameters to make "ivy like" trees. Let me know if they are any others you are thinking of ?
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but it is not interactive (like Ivy) and does not take into account existing objects in the model, as 3D Tree Maker is only based on predefined parameters.
I think that both tools are complementary.
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10

Postby laudhi » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:31 pm

Let me know if they are any others you are thinking of ?
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I'm just curious if there are plans for vines, there may be an easier way to make vines on the pole ...
Your plugin is amazing, worth to buy the pro version.... :thumb:
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.09

Postby rubenamaroh » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:04 am

Help!!!
I can't run this ruby, the program display in "Plugins" folder but dont display
right next to the arrow the window options " New" , "License" and "About", whats wrong?
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.09

Postby TIG » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:29 am

Have you got available, and then activated its Toolbar ?
How did you 'install' it ?
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.09

Postby deaneau » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:46 am

TIG wrote:Have you got available, and then activated its Toolbar ?
How did you 'install' it ?


hi TIG

i have the same problem in 2013

in the menue appear only 3d ArcStudio.

i have installed via sketchucation pluginstore plugin.
if i try to open the toolbar this will not show in the windows.

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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.09

Postby ppoublan » Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:24 pm

Dear all,
Just got an error with one of the version published, that did not work on SU8 nor SU2013.
Pushed the last one (1.10.11) on Sketchucation and my website.
Should load and setup menus now on all SU versions.
Let me know if you discover other errors.
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.09

Postby deaneau » Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:17 pm

ppoublan wrote:Dear all,
Just got an error with one of the version published, that did not work on SU8 nor SU2013.
Pushed the last one (1.10.11) on Sketchucation and my website.
Should load and setup menus now on all SU versions.
Let me know if you discover other errors.
Pascal


Hello Pascal,
this work now in 2013

thank you for your fast respond.

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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.09

Postby Jorgensen » Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:30 pm

Hi Pascal

I have just purchased the plugin (version 1.10.07) and installed it in SU 8 pro.

I get an error when I try edit a tree :-/

Do you know how I can avoid this?

Thanks

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It seems to work if I just press ok.

Is it somehow possible to speedup the redraw process - I'll have to wait several minutes before the tree is updated :-/

I guess it's a limitation of Sketchup, but I find the plugin hard to use then I have to wait this long every time :-/
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.09

Postby Oxer » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:53 am

Jorgensen wrote:Is it somehow possible to speedup the redraw process - I'll have to wait several minutes before the tree is updated

I came back to the v1.06.04 because this version draws the trees in few seconds (between 3 and 8 seconds in my computer), but there is one inconvenient, you lose the feature make grass and other features related with the Materials, present in the last version.
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.09

Postby ppoublan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:37 am

Hi Jorgensen,
Jorgensen wrote:I get an error when I try edit a tree :-/

Did you try with the last version : 1.10.11 that is published in the Plugin store here or from this link :
http://www.3darcstudio.com/downloads/3d ... .10.11.rbz
Download the file,
Setup using standard SU rbz extension install
After install, exit and restart SU
Did the error still occur ?
If yes let me know and we will try other tests. First time I see it, so I need more investigation.
Does anybody here also got the same error ?

Jorgensen wrote:I guess it's a limitation of Sketchup, but I find the plugin hard to use then I have to wait this long every time :-/


Regarding speed:
- on 2 different PCs I'm using, drawing a tree is less than 30s for the more complex one and less than 5seconds for the standard generic tree.
- be sure you close the Sketchup Outliner window: this is the main cause of slowness I have seen as SU try to refresh outliner for all geometry changes within scripts
- ensure also that additional plugins that checks for geometry changes (like render viewport) are not running while you are drawing a tree as they will try to update
- the script also runs a little bit faster on SU 2014.

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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.09

Postby ppoublan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:56 am

Dear all,
another tip to use tree maker with better performance, to place trees within large models:
- I build/change configuration of the tree in an new empty Sketchup model
- When I'm happy with the result, I convert it to proxy with the integrated tree maker proxy function
- Then I copy/paste this component (which is small) to the final model where I can make instances
- When all trees are in place and I want to render, i use "redraw all" in the final model, this can take some time if many trees, but have to do it only once before rendering
- I also use the proxies features of the renders when available (Thea, Octane, ...)
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.09

Postby ppoublan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:12 am

Oxer wrote:I came back to the v1.06.04 because this version draws the trees in few seconds (between 3 and 8 seconds in my computer), but there is one inconvenient, you lose the feature make grass and other features related with the Materials, present in the last version.

Hi Oxer,
The main difference is that the old version is making SU groups, not components.
Using components is really more efficient when you need to place many instances, and you got also a SU file that is lighter.
So yes time to draw with the new version is a little bit more slow to draw one tree (on PC), but a lot much faster to redraw 20 or more trees as only the component is rebuild, not all instances.
This was the reason I make this change to integrate features like grass.
But as I really have acceptable performance on PC/2014 (few seconds to draw most of the trees), maybe i have a specific issue of speed with Mac.
I will try to add few time logs to the next version so see what is slowing down the most.
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.11

Postby Oxer » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:30 pm

I found a plugin that it makes slow down the drawing of trees, BGSketchup_Composants.rb, with this plugin installed the drawing of tree02:Cypress takes 47 seconds, without the plugin installed the drawing takes 12 seconds, other example, the drawing of tree00:Default Generic Tree takes 6 seconds without plugin, with the plugin installed 55 seconds.
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.11

Postby Jorgensen » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:45 pm

I tried to removed all plugins, and the script seems to run ok - but I still get the error.

If I install octane render, the problem happens again (things take very long time), even with the Octane Viewport closed.

So it seems that octane render somehow sesses things up in my Sketchup.
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.11

Postby ppoublan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:51 pm

Dear all,
Just fixed the issue with script error when loading configuration webdialog.
New file published in PluginStore and on my website.
Version is 3darcstudio_tree_v1.10.11a.rbz
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PS : do not understand why javascript is executed differently when called from SU8 and from SU2014, but...
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.11

Postby ppoublan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:56 pm

Oxer wrote:I found a plugin that it makes slow down the drawing of trees, BGSketchup_Composants.rb, with this plugin installed the drawing of tree02:Cypress takes 47 seconds, without the plugin installed the drawing takes 12 seconds, other example, the drawing of tree00:Default Generic Tree takes 6 seconds without plugin, with the plugin installed 55 seconds.
Mac OSX 10.9.4 & SU2014 with Tree Maker v1.10.11


Hi Oxer,
Great to know. Thanks for tests you made.
My understanding is that other plugins may add entities observers to Sketchup to be informed of any entity change. I'm not sure if this is the case for those you mentioned but I will have a look. When this is the case, each time a change is made to an entity, the third plugin is called. As drawing a tree make lots of change to entities within tree component, it add time due to all these calls.
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.11

Postby ppoublan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:06 pm

Jorgensen wrote:I tried to removed all plugins, and the script seems to run ok - but I still get the error.

Fixed (SU8).

Jorgensen wrote:If I install octane render, the problem happens again (things take very long time), even with the Octane Viewport closed.

I'm also using Octane and cant see important additional delay to draw tree when viewport closed, Could you make a test with SU2014 as Octane Plugin is different for SU2014 ?

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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.11

Postby Jorgensen » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:10 pm

Hi pascal

Not sure I understand you right, but I don't have sketchup 2014.

Maybe I should reinstall sketchup and octane.
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.11

Postby ppoublan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:20 pm

You can download SU2014 for free and setup it + Octane Plugin just to see if it change the performance on your environment.
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.11

Postby noicrilo » Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:00 am

Hi,
this plugin is really awesome, thanks of sharing your work.
I notice on mac OS and sketchup 2014 that the tree bar (with the 4 icons) is always reloaded when program opens,
it is very annoying, can you fix this bug? I’m working with all other features and it seems all fantastic and useful :D
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.11

Postby albertoricordi » Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:14 pm

QUESTION:

How can I include my own trees in the drop-down menu library?
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.11

Postby ppoublan » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:14 pm

albertoricordi wrote:QUESTION:

How can I include my own trees in the drop-down menu library?

Right click on a tree, then "Save as template..."

choose a different file name that the one proposed if you do not want to overwrite existing template. You can also create the preview image (that is displayed when this tree will be selected in the new list)

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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.11

Postby ppoublan » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:16 pm

noicrilo wrote:Hi,
this plugin is really awesome, thanks of sharing your work.
I notice on mac OS and sketchup 2014 that the tree bar (with the 4 icons) is always reloaded when program opens,
it is very annoying, can you fix this bug? I’m working with all other features and it seems all fantastic and useful :D


I'm not sure to understand, or maybe its not working the same way on Mac.
On PC, View>Toolbars> uncheck 3DArcStudio Tree Maker. Does this menu exists on mac ?
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Re: [Plugin] Tree Maker

Postby menes » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:54 am

Alan Fraser wrote:Brilliant plugin, Pascal...and very configurable...both during and post production. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
The tree on the left is a default Olive...but with simplified leaf geometry (down to 3 faces per leaf). It is now down to only 21,000 faces.
The tree on the right is another default Olive, but with even simpler leaves (1 face) but double the number of leaves; and minus all the small twigs. This is down to only 12,000 faces. It was only 7000 before I doubled the leaf count (by simply selecting the foliage group, duplicating and rotating it.)


Hi Alan,
Great your Olive tree,
I'm struggling much, because of too much slowness of the Pc, to obtain a similar one. Too much to ask if you could give me directions on the values ​​that you used?
obtain a so Olive tree with only 12000 faces really could help much.
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Re: [Plugin] Tree Maker

Postby ppoublan » Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:40 pm

menes wrote:I'm struggling much, because of too much slowness of the Pc, to obtain a similar one. Too much to ask if you could give me directions on the values ​​that you used?
obtain a so Olive tree with only 12000 faces really could help much.
thanks in any case


Here are few tips to improve performance and reduce size of trees with this plugin :

Tips to reduce tree size :
- Reduce the number of faces and segments of the tree. It may change a little bit the way the tree looks like, but generaly you will be able to keep the same global look without loosing much quality. Only 3 or even 2 faces are often enough for small branches (branches level 2 or 3).

- Use leaves with lower number of faces (as the “square” face for example, one quad face = 2 triangle faces only with 4 vertices) and apply png texture

- You can create you own leaves/flowers with lower number of faces. To do this, draw a tree, open window components, add a leaf from the component list, edit it and change it. (show the hidden geometry if you want to see all the edges of the leaf faces). Hide/soften the edges. This is not mandatory but it gives a better look. Hide also outer loop edges. Save it with a new filename in the subdirectory “leaves” of the tree plugin. You can now use it within your trees

Tips to improve performance issues
- Disable shadows, fog, profiles of edge styles and complex styles
- Close the outliner window (do not ask me why, but its true!)
- Disable plugins that add component or entities observers (they will add additional time at every tree draw). It s for example the case for the Eneroth railroad. (do not remove the plugin, I’m a big fan of it, just turn it off when drawing the trees)
- Use the proxies features :
- Turn all trees to proxies before saving your model, you will drastically reduce the Sketchup file size.
- Work with trees in proxy mode when you are working on other parts of your model
- Turn all trees to full draw only when you need to render or capture your final image

Hope this helps.
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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.11

Postby ijmccoy » Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:48 pm

superb plugin, is there a guide for it at all?

also with the model im working on at the moment whenever i try to render the leaves disapear and ive no idea why, any help would be great

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Re: [Plugin] 3D Tree Maker - New version 1.10.11

Postby ppoublan » Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:23 pm

ijmccoy wrote:is there a guide for it at all?

Not yet, but I'm working on it... will publish it as soon as available.

ijmccoy wrote:whenever i try to render the leaves disapear and ive no idea why, any help would be great


Which render do you use ?

i've made tests with Octane, Thea, Kerkytea. I could try with your render with evaluation version.
I know some issues with the renders I tested but with good results.

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