Medeek Wall Plugin

Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby Frederik » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:51 pm

This looks really interesting, however, when trying to download the trial version on your website (http://design.medeek.com/resources/mede ... lugin.html) I get a "The page cannot be found" message...?!?

Furthermore there's another serious mistake on the page...
Purchase the full plugin ($5.00) at the following link:Purchase plugin

When users arrive at the order page, they don't see the price 5.00 USD, but 50.00 USD...
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:02 pm

I should probably temporarily disable the web page since the plugin has not yet been released yet, and yes you are correct, the listed price of $5.00 is incorrect.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:06 am

I am now testing the stud placement and top and bottom plates:



So far only the line tool is available but seems to work fairly robustly now.

Please download and comment on the model below:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... ing-Test-1

There are a few minor issues that need further attention:

1.) How to position studs with non-orthogonal walls, I could use some direction on this.
2.) I have California Corners enabled for outside corner and inside corners, what do you do when there is a clash between the nailer and the regular stud layout, see model for examples.
3.) When there is more than one top plate (2,3 etc...) I have them setup to lap each other. However multiple bottom plates do not lap, they are currently setup just to stack.

The items for tomorrow's programming todo list are:

- Setup the HTML form and backend for the wall edit feature.
- Finish cleaning up the global settings, HTML and backend.
- Further debugging and refinement of the stud placement module.

Future items:

- Addition of window and door modules (framed openings)
- Advanced wall options (sheathing, cladding, gypsum, insulation, trim, holdowns etc...)
- Window and Door Plugin
- Gable Wall Tool
- Polyline tool for Rectangular Wall Tool

I'm sure there are plenty of other items that don't come to mind right this minute, please feel free to pass along any thoughts, comments or suggestions.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:45 am

Working on the advanced options this morning, I've added in sheathing, cladding and gypsum:



As windows and doors are added to the wall they will automatically cut holes into the framing and these three other building layers. The code to cut holes in solids is actually not to difficult, I developed it with the foundation plugin when I needed to add foundation vents into stemwalls.

I will probably put the cavity insulation and the holdowns on the backburner for a a while as I focus on the wall edit function and the window and door (framed opening) module.

I've also added one additional (Tee Corner) corner configuration for each end of the wall.

I will also be adding in two additional parameters so when you edit a given wall panel you can offset the sheathing and cladding above or below the actual wall panel to tie into a rim joist above or below. Some contractors also like to lap the sheathing and cladding over the foundation rather than having it flush with the sill/bottom plate.

On a similar note it might also be useful to allow the user to set the bottom plate as pressure treated (ie. garages where the wall is directly in contact with the foundation). I'm not sure yet where I want to put this parameter.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:26 am

PT bottom plate option added into the first menu.

The little structure below is not much to look at (no windows or doors yet) but it is the first time I've been able to create an entire building envelope with absolutely no manual editing of the SketchUp model. This in itself is a major break through for me. I used all three plugins to create the model: Foundation, Truss and Wall.





All principal architectural elements are there: sheathing, cladding, gypsum, anchor bolts, rebar, concrete, roof cladding, gutters etc...

The only items missing are exterior and interior trim/molding and of course the windows and doors.

My next push will be the windows and door module.

The time required to create the walls was under a minute however once I have the polyline tool enabled this will cut down the initial wall creation time to literally seconds.

Insertion of doors and windows will always take a bit longer primarily because the designer actually needs to determine where they want to place their openings. There is not much one can do about that other than to make the actual placement/insertion process as intuitive and automated as possible.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:05 am

The wall edit feature is now functional and seems to be fairly robust:



The wall edit menu shown above.

Originally I was going to have all the windows and doors load up within this same menu but given how big it has grown already I think a separate edit menu for door and windows would be more practical.

I will also need to add in some additional code so that when certain parameters are modified in the wall edit menu those changes are then propagated to other wall panels that are assigned to the same wall group letter.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:15 pm

I've added mid-span blocking into the advanced options:



View model here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... ing-Test-3

This option will probably need additional parameters (mid-span, 8' on center, 4' on center) to make it really useful but at least it is a placeholder for now.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby pbacot » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:41 pm

Looks excellent!
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:00 am

The cavity insulation option in the advanced options will fill in the wall cavities with insulation:





This feature will only get more interesting as windows and doors are added.

I supposed there will be some utility to this option for some since it will allow the designer/contractor to calculate the volume of insulation needed with fairly decent accuracy.

I could use some better textures for my insulation, the ones shown are pink and yellow fiberglass, rockwool and cellulose. I also have a blown fiberglass (white) not shown.

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https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... Insulation

I've now started wading into the window and door module, this may take me a 2-3 days to sort out since it is fairly complicated.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby facer » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:54 am

Looking good Medeek!
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:14 pm

The global settings will have two parameters:

Blocking Height: Center or some numeric value
Stagger Blocking: Yes / No

Once you create the walls you can also change these two parameters up for each wall panel:



See model here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... ing-Test-5
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:47 pm

Since the model can get quite heavy with all of the studs, blocking, insulation and other geometry I've decided to add one additional option to the basic parameters called "Wall Framing". By turning this option to "NO" the walls are drawn with all of the internal geometry removed (ie. plates, studs, headers, kings, trimmers, insulation, holdowns etc...)

However, you can still use the advanced wall options and display sheathing, cladding and gypsum:



The model is now quite boring but is significantly more lightweight and will lend itself to quick edits by the designer. Walls and Doors can be inserted and all of the internal framing can be turned on at any time within the wall edit menu.

See model here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... ing-Test-6

The wall framing parameter will also be available within the global settings so that its default behavior can be set.

Notice how certain parameters are grayed out in the wall edit menu when wall framing is turned off, this is by design.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:26 am

I'm still recovering from a cold/flu bug so I apologize for my coughing during the video:

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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby pbacot » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:34 pm

I think the "no" idea is great. At first we just want to layout spaces and be free to think of the environment and function of the design and not the framing. "Structure" can be an important part of design but not so much stick wall framing in conventional construction (roofs require more forethought than wall framing). But later the designer or someone else can bring the wall framing up and work with it. In some cases the designer might only check into the wall framing during construction documents but the contractor could take the model and work on the wall and floor framing details and material take offs. I knew a contractor who modeled framing for all his projects beforehand, whether the designers did or not.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:08 pm

@Pabcot

I like the whole idea of the model changing hands from the designer to the engineer and then finally to the contractor or builder.

Initially the designer would use first the 2D mode to work on overall space layout and then bring it up into the no-framing option to consider all of the architectural elements (ie. trim, windows, doors, siding/cladding etc...) I agree that most architects are generally not overly concerned with stud layouts, holdowns and all of the nuts and bolts that go into a design. They are the big picture guys who are responsible for selling the design, look and feel, and functionality to the customer.

From there the engineer can look into the insertion of additional wall columns and also review the headers, beams, king and trimmer qty. etc... and stud layouts. At this stage something might jump out at him, for example he may determine that a triple top plate is required because of a large truss span, or 2x8 wall studs are required due to the wind loads or wall height or both. The engineer would want to have the full 3D model with framing enabled. He is the nuts and bolts guy when it comes to safety and structural issues.

This is sometime where the engineer and architect clash. I've actually had to delete windows out of a design for lateral strength (steel moment frames were too expensive) much to the chagrin of the designer of that job but sometimes practicality overrides ambition and creativity.

The engineer can also enable holdowns/straps (with anchor bolts, threaded rods, coupler nuts) for specified wall panels. He will probably turn off the layers that deal with the look and feel of the building, ie. gypsum, cladding, windows, doors, trim etc...

Then the model gets passed to the contractor who then has the full details of literally every component including the nailing information for every wall panel (that is my goal).

He can quickly pull dimensions or other information from the model as needed and also be able to see exactly what was intended by the designer and engineer.

With the new layout API I am also planning on setting up some automation for wall plan generation and wall framing elevations/details. I haven't fully defined what the end product will be in this regard but I think some production drawing automation may be useful, especially for prefab wall panel designers/companies.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:06 pm

As I've been testing the plugin and debugging it I've noticed that performance lags a bit when the wall gets quite long and there are a number of studs (components) present.

Speaking with some other developers, it is their opinion that it would be better to model the studs, blocking and insulation as groups rather than components. From what I understand the overhead associated with groups is less than components and the model would therefore be less bogged down once there are a lot of studs/blocking floating about.

Any additional thoughts in this regard, especially from the SketchUp Sages would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:19 pm

2nd Toolbar:

Like the Truss Plugin the Wall Plugin will have a second toolbar. The planned icons/tools will be:

- Wall Split
- Wall Move
- Window Edit
- Window Move
- Window Delete
- Door Edit
- Door Move
- Door Delete

To delete a wall it is just a matter of deleting it from the model, all windows and door embedded in that wall (group) will of course be automatically removed as well.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby Bob James » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:28 pm

Really great progress.
When drawing in 2D the wall intersections are not the same (just dual overlap) as when that 2D is changed to 3D.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:57 am

Bob James wrote:Really great progress.
When drawing in 2D the wall intersections are not the same (just dual overlap) as when that 2D is changed to 3D.


When you are in 2D mode the wall is represented by the outline of the bottom wall plate. When in 3D you will see the top most wall plate which will probably lap the corner if you are using double top plates.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby Bob James » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:29 pm

medeek wrote:
Bob James wrote:Really great progress.
When drawing in 2D the wall intersections are not the same (just dual overlap) as when that 2D is changed to 3D.


When you are in 2D mode the wall is represented by the outline of the bottom wall plate. When in 3D you will see the top most wall plate which will probably lap the corner if you are using double top plates.

I understand that: but the bottom wall plates would butt up against each other, not overlap as shown.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:10 pm

Bob James wrote:
medeek wrote:
Bob James wrote:Really great progress.
When drawing in 2D the wall intersections are not the same (just dual overlap) as when that 2D is changed to 3D.


When you are in 2D mode the wall is represented by the outline of the bottom wall plate. When in 3D you will see the top most wall plate which will probably lap the corner if you are using double top plates.

I understand that: but the bottom wall plates would butt up against each other, not overlap as shown.


You are correct. I am still working on the auto-configuration for the corners.

Basically when you create a new wall segment if auto-config or auto-connect is turned on then the plugin will look at the wall corners you are connecting to and adjust the corner start and corner end appropriately.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:12 pm

After reviewing a suggestion by Steven Dorst (Sjdorst) and giving it some more thought I've decided the additional tools of the second toolbar can be consolidated.

There will be an icon to add a new window or door but the icon(s) to move, edit or delete one of these openings can be the same icon.

The second toolbar will be:

- Split Wall
- Move Wall
- Edit Opening
- Move Opening
- Delete Opening
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:25 pm

A quick preview of the Window Tool (locating only):

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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:53 am

Exterior trim can get very elaborate based on some work I've seen and also some recent renderings sent me of some exceptional architectural work.

That being said I'm wanting to start off simple with the exterior trim and then as things progress keep adding more options and layers of complexity as required.

For doors and windows I've come up with the following basic trim parameters based on my own observations and also suggestions from you, please review and comment:



I typically don't see any sill trim at the bottom of doors, but that may be an option if necessary.

I am planning on placing the trim flush to the framed opening unless someone thinks I should add an additional parameter for a reveal.

I like the idea of having the header, jamb and sill all independent widths for total flexibility. Each of these 11 parameters can be set to a default value in the global settings, but adjusted for each door or window.

As for color (material) and layers, those both can be set in the global settings as well. The layer cannot be adjusted in either the wall or opening edit menus however the material will be allowed to be adjusted in the window or door edit menus.

If the cladding or sheathing is not enabled for a wall then the trim will not be drawn, however the parameters will be stored in the library for that opening if they are entered (ie. trim enabled).
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:53 pm

I've been looking at some screen shots from Chief Architect and giving some thought to framed opening headers and their trimmers.

Beyond the myriad of options I am already providing for window and door headers I may need to extend the list to a few others.

The current list is:

4X4
4X6
4X8
4X10
4X12
6X4
6X6
6X8
6X10
6X12
(2) 2X4
(2) 2X6
(2) 2X8
(2) 2X10
(2) 2X12
(3) 2X8
(3) 2X10
(3) 2X12
1-3/4X7-1/4 LSL
1-3/4X9-1/4 LSL
(2) 1-3/4X7-1/4 LSL
(2) 1-3/4X9-1/4 LSL

For larger doors (garage doors) glulams are fairly typical in my neck of the woods. If the designer selects glulam an additional menu will pop up that allow for the selection of the exact glulam size. I've already implemented a similar feature in the Truss Plugin for glulam rafter roofs.

I think it might also be interesting to provide an auto calculate feature based on the width of the framed opening:

- AUTO GLULAM
- AUTO 2X
- AUTO 4X
- AUTO 6X
- AUTO LSL

This is not an exact engineering solution since we don't know the loads on the header but it could at least get it ball park. Future releases of the plugin will have more engineering capabilities added so that one can actually run the actual numbers on a header (I'm think Forte type software here, one that I commonly use in my own practice).

Along the same lines another parameter should be added into the global settings to allows for auto-calculation of the door/window trimmer qty., again this would be based off of the width of the framed opening and also factor in whether the wall is an interior or exterior wall.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:29 am

Another preview showing the insertion of windows and some other features:




View model here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... w-Openings

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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby db11 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:11 pm

It's looking really good — great progress!

I hope once you have all of the functionality coded, you will consider (in a future version) a second input method for generating walls and their openings: from the faces of massed walls.

It would fit more easily into our workflow, since we always have a massed model before elaborating structural and finish detail, so that walls and windows are already fully defined in size, position and orientation.

As is, it is definitely a huge step forward and I'm looking forward to your finished version one.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:34 pm

I'm only about 2-1/2 weeks into the actual development of this plugin so realize that I've only just scratched the surface. With the latest preview video I am getting a lot of questions about other wall systems. Initially I will release the plugin with the conventional light wood framing but subsequent developments will also look at steel framing, CMU, brick and other more exotic methods as the demand arises.

The framing option will currently be:

- Yes/No/2D

This will probably be expanded to (or some other variation):

- Lumber/Steel/CMU/None/2D/etc...

I still have a lot of work to do before I can release this even to the beta testers.

The current pre-release "todo" list is:

1.) Wall and Window edit, move and delete functions/Tools.
2.) Global Setting tabs for Window and Door settings.
3.) Rudimentary Door and Window plugin that integrates with this plugin tightly.
4.) Wall Move and Split Tool.
5.) Add air gap parameter for the cladding (ie. brick fascia).
6.) Auto corner configuration
7.) Polyline Wall Tool and Face Wall Tool (right now all you can do is create a single segment at a time).
8.) Final clean and addition of any additional parameters to the Global Settings.
9.) Further refinements to the Add Window and Add Door Tools.
10.) Gable/Shed Wall Tool.
11.) Add glulam beams to Window and Door header options.
12.) Update Wall Plugin web page.

I'm sure there are other items that are probably missing from this list but those seem to be the major items right now.

I probably should have just left them but the blocking and insulation algorithms were complex and so it took me a couple of days to figure them out and then commit them to code. At one point I just had to start over since my initial algorithm was too inefficient and the code quickly got out of control and became an ugly bowl of spaghetti for lack of a better word.

Please keep sending me your suggestions, they do not get lost. I am compiling another post-release "todo" list where all of these other items will be considered and hopefully the majority implemented.
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Re: Medeek Wall Plugin

Postby medeek » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:35 pm

An additional parameter for cladding will added to the advanced wall options:

Cladding Corners: Flush/Lap/Miter



This parameter becomes important for certain cladding such as brick facade where the cladding thickness is significant and no corner trim will be present to cover up the corners.



Another parameter that should also be added is an air gap, I am showing a 1" air gap between the brick cladding and sheathing in the image above.
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