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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby facer » Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:26 am

Medeek,
Rendering without shadows may give a clearer picture (rendering) of a complex model :)
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:34 pm

I've been thinking about offering training for $25.00 to $30.00 per hour. Basically one-on-one where I utilize a join.me session and share my desktop and have the ability to walk the user through a number of details and scenarios with the plugin.

Do you think there would be any interest in this?
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby pbacot » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:38 pm

You might find a few pros who want to learn some advanced techniques, maybe help with learning code, and would pay so much. Judging by comments on this site, I gather most people would not pay so much. By "most people" I don't mean all sketchUp users (which is obvious), I'm thinking of those who would be seriously considering your offer.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:01 pm

I've had an ongoing issue with Mac users who are running SU2018. I still have not determined the underlying cause but when the user enters in their serial number it will not save.

With SU 2018 the .plist file is no longer relevant and I think this may be why the plugin is having problems saving the serial number.

The current workaround is:

For Mac latest OS, you hold down the option key and then click GO menu. The Go Menu displays.
In the Go Menu there is a menu item named “Library”

Click on Library and the hidden library folder opens.

Then you can access application support, SketchUP2018/Sketchup/Plugins/PrivatePreferences.json.

OpenPrivatePreferences.json in BBEdit, add the license number and replace the word "TRIAL", then save your changes and open SketchUP 2018 and check the plugins license status in the global settings.

I am currently working on a more permanent resolution for this problem.

I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience this has caused some of our Mac users and I hope to role out a resolution with the next version release.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:44 am

Version 2.1.4b - 01.28.2018
- Added a graphical user interface for (metric) advanced options of truss roofs.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby facer » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:42 am

Medeek,
Current version available for download from your site is:
(Version 2.1.4 - 01/20/2018)

Could you please include a few screenshots to give us a heads up on what has been added
to Version 2.1.4b.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:13 pm

Version 2.1.4b is only a slight modification, see new html (metric) menu below:



The advanced options have multiplied to the point that the simple UI doesn't fit on many smaller screens, hence I have been moving many of the larger menus to the html variety to remedy this.

Additionally, the html menus give me the ability to customize the UI as much as I like and provide help text and graphics.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:58 pm

Medeek Truss Plugin Users as of 02/03/2018:

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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby facer » Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:29 pm

Metric countries will likely have a higher take-up of Medeek Truss plugin
as Metric data input is further improved.

It may help to have typical examples of truss applications to common roof types.
Suggest including:
1. selection options for key variables as roof pitch and eaves overhang
2. simple clear step by step videos relating to above common roof types and variables.

Only three countries - Burma, Liberia, and the United States - have yet to adopt the International System of Units as their official system of measurement (weights and measures).

Metric - map shhows countries using metric 001.JPG
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:15 pm

Worked on the license tab issue last night, I think I've got it fixed now, problem should be resolved for both Windows and Mac users

Please download the latest sub-release 2.1.4c and re-install the plugin.

I will slowly be switching to the new HtmlDialog which will mean that the plugin will no longer work on older versions of SketchUp (SU2016 and older). The reason for the switch to the new HtmlDialog from the deprecated WebDialog is the issues with modal windows (non-blocking) for the MacOS.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:39 am

I've decided to implement the new HtmlDialog but also keep the option to use the WebDialog as well for backward compatibility. The plugin will auto-detect if you are using SU2017 or new and then default to the new HtmlDialog menu.

What this means is that if you are using SU2016 or older on a Mac you will still have the non-blocking issue, however if you are using SU2017 or newer you will not be affected by this known issue with SU and the MacOS.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:13 am

I've been making some progress on the advanced options for the gambrel attic truss. Since this type of roof has three different pitches it requires an entire rewrite of the advanced roof options module.

I've got the floor sheathing, fascia, rakeboard, roof sheathing and wall sheathing and cladding completed and working, see below:



The items still remaining are:

- gutters
- roof cladding and ridgecap
- heelblocking
- outlookers
- gypsum

I am still debating on how best to handle the gable wall framing, same scenario for regular attic trusses, I may just wrap that into the upcoming wall plugin, I'm not sure yet.

Even though this truss type is quite specialized it seems to also be quite popular hence my efforts to bring it up to speed with the common and attic truss.

I am slowly trying to bring each truss type up to the level that the common truss type is and have all applicable advanced options available.

I have decided to eliminate roof returns for the gambrel attic truss type for now, at some later date I may entertain adding that feature in for this truss type.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:16 pm

Knocked out the update to the cladding and ridge cap last night. I've released 2.1.4d so that everyone can test out the advanced options.

The following advanced options (gambrel attic) must be turned off currently:

- gutters
- gypsum
- heel blocking

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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:24 am

All of the remaining advanced options (gutters, gypsum, heelblocks, outlookers) are now in place for the Gambrel Attic Truss, at least as many as I am going to attempt right now. I still need to figure out structural outlookers for this truss type so that permutation of the outlooker option will be disabled for now.

Also note that for this truss type the heelblocking is only allowed to be vertically oriented, however I am willing to entertain angled heel blocks if someone can provide some form of documentation showing how they would be installed in a non-vertical orientation.

I have a bit more tidying up to do with the new Html menu for this truss type and then I should be able to roll it out tomorrow or this weekend.





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https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... -Office-12
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby juju » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:13 pm

relentless coding, like a machine! thx
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:21 pm

Only wish I could spend more time at it. I did manage to squeeze in about 3 hours of good coding yesterday and that is why I was able to knock the rest of it out.

This morning as I was thinking about what else needs to be done I realized that it wouldn't be too hard to add in the gable wall framing, especially for the gambrel attic since it is always regular rectangular shape.

To add in windows or doors one would simply right click on the wall group and an HTML menu will pop up that will allow for the creation of multiple windows and doors with an interactive SVG/JavaScript interface.

This menu will also allow for editing and deleting previously added windows or doors.

Once I have this module coded it will drop right into the wall plugin, no point in creating the wheel twice.

A option within this menu will allow for inserting actual doors or windows into the openings, this is going to get complicated but its going to be fun.

My only uncertainty at the moment is how to establish and store the information which tells me which side of the wall is facing the exterior. I will need to know this in order to repeatedly cut and redraw studs and also for proper window and door placement and location.

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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby dpaul » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:30 pm

How you are thinking through the options and our potential usage of the upcoming wall tool seems really thorough to me. No surprise, of course, in relation to the comprehensive depth of your present plugins.
Every possible success, then. Can't wait.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:53 am

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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:10 am

Version 2.1.5 - 02.16.2018
- Added floor sheathing and attic gypsum for gambrel attic trusses.
- Added roof cladding, sheathing and ridge cap for gambrel attic trusses.
- Created a separate HTML menu for advanced options of gambrel attic trusses.
- Enabled gable end trusses for gambrel attic trusses.
- Enabled hurricane ties for gambrel attic trusses.



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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby facer » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:51 am

Medeek,
An impressive output of truss plugin.

3d renderings with Raylectron give good views of final output.

It will be interesting to get some feedback from users.
At present, you are way ahead of the users and time is need for them to
download and test the plugins new features.

You appear to be enjoying yourself and that is a reward in itself :)
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:55 pm

Please report any issues with the gambrel attic truss type (windows or mac). When I make major changes to a module it is quite easy to break something and not even realize it.

I do my best to test the plugin in all possible states and permutations but I can never get all of them.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby facer » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:53 am

Medeek plugin for SketchUp - view 3d model on any web device, VR cardboard or headset

Have a real "fun" look around and see the results possible now with current web browsers!

Attached Kubity link of 3d model that can be viewed by any web device.

Note also VR cardboard or headset viewing available.


LINK to 3d Model for viewing:
https://www.kubity.com/p/kOfmnT



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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:26 pm

The crow's beak for the gambrel attic roof has been on my todo list for about a year and a half now. Grateful that I was able to somehow find the time to put this one together tonight.

The projection of the crows beak and the length along the rake can both be set by the user.

I will roll this out tomorrow as 2.1.5b once I've finished testing it.






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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:46 pm

I've added in thumbnails to the sheathing tab of the global settings so the user can preview the wall and roof cladding materials:

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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:12 pm

Version 2.1.5b - 02/18/2018
- Added a crow's beak option for gambrel attic trusses.
- Added thumbnails for wall and roof materials in the sheathing tab of the global settings.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:44 am

This barn is very similar to the one we had at our first farm in Terrace B.C. Canada:













Foundation was created with the foundation plugin.

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https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... 7fe/Barn-2
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:59 pm

The thing I find very interesting with the gambrel roof is the two pitches, whereas with your typical gable roof you only have one pitch and each side of the roof is simply the hypotenuse of half the span and the height of the peak.

With a gambrel roof you have the two legs of the roof and the two pitches and an infinite number of possible combinations and hence a large variety in the shape of the gambrel roof.

Ultimately this led me to create the HTML/SVG preview panel so that the user can play with the various parameters until the desired gambrel shape is achieved. I believe this is where the real power in this plugin in manifest, in situations where an architectural element can be realized by incrementally adjusting parameters within the user interface.

A common truss is much more simpler than the gambrel but a similar preview screen would be helpful in my opinion.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:16 pm

As I was creating the various test models for the gambrel attic truss yesterday I realized that the color I had initially set for the gypsum material was slightly off white, which for my particular case was just fine. However, after giving it second thought I realized that the gypsum color (material) should also be configurable so I added in one additional setting into the sheathing tab.

Then my 13 year old son (Jared) suggested that I implement some sort of color picker since most people don't equate a hexadecimal RGB value with any particular color (ie. #FF2C9F). I found a simple javascript based color picker and modified it to fit my needs, hopefully this is somewhat helpful.

Under the materials tab I will probably implement similar options where one can modify the color of the lumber and the pressure treated lumber. For now I will probably keep the plywood and the OSB material/texture as default. If someone really wants to modify those it is simply a matter of replacing the .jpg image with their own custom image within the plugin folder.

colorpicker.jpg


Since javascript tends to be a bit browser dependent I am curious how well this works on MacOS with the background browser running as Safari, please let me know if there are any issues.

The color boxes at the bottom of the color picker provide some shades of grey as well as the default Medeek colors for: lumber, pressure treated lumber, gypsum.

This minor update is rolled into 2.1.5c in the PluginStore.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:56 pm

I took a step back today and pulled my head out of the sand, so to speak.

The truss plugin does some pretty cool stuff and its fairly detailed where I've fleshed out certain truss and roof types. However, it is missing one major feature or has a major flaw depending on how you want to word it.

Currently the plugin is "fire and forget", with no ability to edit an existing roof or floor assembly. This needs to change.

I have a mental picture of how I want to handle this but there may be some flaws with my thinking.

I briefly discussed this with a few others at this thread:

https://forums.sketchup.com/t/right-cli ... tems/54916

My idea is to right click on a roof or floor assembly, then click "Edit Assembly" at which point the plugin will bring up a very concise list of parameters for the assembly. Changing any one of the various parameters or settings will essentially redraw the entire (roof, truss, floor, dormer) assembly. The list will remain open after each edit and only be closed if the user decides to close it.

Any manual edits made to the assembly will of course be lost but this is the price of having a fully editable assembly.

I think I can implement this fairly easily, the various modules are all utilized the same as when I originally created the assembly, the only difference being the user interface.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby dpaul » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:20 am

Excellent. Been waiting for this......... :thumb:
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