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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:40 am

For the gutter tab my french translations are:
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trans = {
      'Global Settings':'Paramètres Globaux',
      'Gutters:':'Gouttières:',
      'Gutter Style:':'Style de Gouttière:',
      'Gutter Material:':'Gutter Materiale:',
      'Gutter Extension:':'Matériau de Gouttière:',
      'Vertical Offset:':'Décalage Vertical:',
      'Downspouts:':'Descente de Gouttière:',
      'Downspout Length:':'Longueur Descente:',
      'Downspout Type:':'Type de Descente:',
      'Downspout Depth:':'Profondeur de Descente:',
      'Downspout Width:':'Largeur de Descente:',
      'Downspout Dia.:':'Diamètre de Descente:',
      'Gutter Dimensions:':'Dimensions de la Gouttière:',
      'General':'Général',
      'Layers':'Strate',
      'Materials':'Matériaux',
      'Sheathing':'Revêtement',
      'Gutters':'Gouttières',
      'License':'Licence'
      };

      reg_notice = '* Remarque: Les paramètres des gouttières sont enregistrés dans le registre Windows ou dans une sous-section d\'un fichier .plist sur un Mac.';
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby pilou » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:13 am

Little corrections ;)

'Gutter Material:':'Gutter Materiale:',
'Gutter Extension:':'Matériau de Gouttière:',
must be
'Gutter Material:':'Matériau de Gouttière:',
'Gutter Extension:': 'Extension de Gouttière:',

'Downspout Length:':'Longueur Descente:',
must be
'Downspout Length:':'Longueur de Descente:', (if you have free space on the line)

'Layers':'Strate',
must be
'Layers':'Couches', (context of building), 'Calques' context of drawing, computers etc...)

And depending
if gutter(s) are visible = gouttière(s)
gutter(s) not visible = chéneau(x)
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:57 pm

pilou wrote:Little corrections ;)

'Gutter Material:':'Gutter Materiale:',
'Gutter Extension:':'Matériau de Gouttière:',
must be
'Gutter Material:':'Matériau de Gouttière:',
'Gutter Extension:': 'Extension de Gouttière:',

'Downspout Length:':'Longueur Descente:',
must be
'Downspout Length:':'Longueur de Descente:', (if you have free space on the line)

'Layers':'Strate',
must be
'Layers':'Couches', (context of building), 'Calques' context of drawing, computers etc...)

And depending
if gutter(s) are visible = gouttière(s)
gutter(s) not visible = chéneau(x)


Thank-you I will make the corrections. A couple of obvious errors on my part, I guess I wasn't paying attention.

Now that the template is setup, adding a language is really simple, its the actual translation that I will probably struggle with since as you've noted choosing the correct word based on the context is difficult unless you are proficient with the language.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:16 pm

Back to complex roofs. I've been giving some thought to complex truss roofs and how to handle L-shaped roofs and their derivatives. Basically there is three ways to frame them out, which one is the most standard or preferred?

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... ip-Study-2

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... p-Study-2B

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... p-Study-2C

Option C with a drop in purlin frame:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... -Study-2C2
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:09 pm

Speaking of complex roofs:

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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:08 am

Valley sets can get a little interesting when you start dealing with intersecting hip roofs. If the width of the projection were to increase the valley set would become a combination of standard valley trusses and flat top or hip valley trusses.



View model here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... lex-Roof-6

With the projection width extended:



View model here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... lex-Roof-7
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:39 am

Version 2.0.9 - 11.25.2017
- Structural outlookers (vert. & horz.) enabled under advanced roof options for Parallel Chord truss type.
- Metal plate connectors now enabled for all parallel chord trusses.



This truss type should now be up-to-date with all of the advanced options available:

roof returns, gutters, ceiling drywall, ridge cap etc...
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:40 pm

I was discussing the plugin with a family friend and he suggested I offer a student version of the plugin (ie. fully functional but time limited to one year and purchase requires a student ID).

I already offer a trial version (freemium model) that is limited in its functionality.

Is there any need for this?
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby pbacot » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:04 pm

Some sort of educational version might be good, or licensing to school or class that has an expiration so it is harder to pirate... It may be some teachers would like to use it to familiarize students with construction methods, besides the modelling aspect.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:50 am

Version 2.1.0 - 11.28.2017
- Added Northeast hip set trusses.
- Enabled advanced options for northeast hip sets.
- Added energy/raised heels for northeast hip set (3 variants: wedge, slider and vertical w/ strut).
- Added the option for open vs. closed end jacks.
- Added the option for a drop in purlin frame.
- Enabled a graphical user interface for Truss Set selection.





I only plan on adding the midwest and california variants if requested.

I don't want to toot my own horn but these truss sets are quite complex, I'm still amazed that I've been able to finally write the code to generate all of this geometry. At first it is a bit overwhelming but when you break it down into its components and slowly grind each one out sooner or later it emerges.

I still have not added plates to the truss hip sets due to the complexity and the fact that it is low on the priority list for now. Complex roof are currently my biggest hurdle and I am still battling with how to best approach these from a systematic standpoint and then dive into the details once the overall layout is configured.

Until I have complex roofs figured out the plugin is only about halfway there, but at least I've got my foot in the door and I'm making progress.

When you consider that you can create one of these hip truss sets literally in seconds with all of the sheathing, cladding, fascia, gutters etc... and it is all geometrically correct, it is pretty cool. Manually it would take me well over an hour to try and generate this level of detail without the plugin, there is something to be said for automation.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby juju » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:15 am

Is there some way you can incorporate a method for exporting/importing settings (user defined layers for example) in your various extensions? I'm migrating to a new machine and this seems like a useful feature, even though it may be one that will probably not be used a lot.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:22 pm

juju wrote:Is there some way you can incorporate a method for exporting/importing settings (user defined layers for example) in your various extensions? I'm migrating to a new machine and this seems like a useful feature, even though it may be one that will probably not be used a lot.


I don't know how to do it on a Mac but if your running Windows you can probably pull the settings directly from the registry and then insert them back in on the new machine.

I will give this some thought.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:28 pm

The reason I am taking so long with complex rafter and truss roofs is the possible permutations is making things very challenging.

For example take the truss roof below:



I'm assuming there are no interior bearing walls and we want to clearspan the entire building outline. I can get the basic roof and truss layout by creating to hip truss sets as primitives but that is where it then becomes very interesting.

As you can see there are two mid-building girder trusses that then catch the mono pitch sub-girders which are each supporting two common trusses. Next to the sub-girders is a small valley set (half valley) that fills in the roof behind the sub-girders.

The largest span is 36', which is reasonable. This appears to be the simplest way to truss this roof out but is probably not the only solution. A good truss technician could tell me how close I am to the optimal solution.

Granted the complex rafter roof is not IMHO as hard a problem but it also has similar difficulties and issues.

View model at this link:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... uss-Roof-8
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby pilou » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:36 am

First glance! :) (must be refined)

Veuillez sélectionner l'un des types de fermes suivants:

Commun en W - Tunnel - Mono-Pente - Ciseaux - Empennage - Double-Pente
Corde d'Arc (?) - Arceau de Barrique (?) - Polynésien - Bombé - Cathédrale - Plateau (?)
Simple Ciseau - Simple Cathédrale - Shed - Voûte En Berceau (?) - Tunnel à la Mansart - Caisson
Treillis - Cathédrale Symétrique - Studio en Berceau - Double Inversé - Corde Parallèle - Charpente

Remarque: Les types de ferme Shed, Arceau de barrique, Studio en Berceau et Double Inversé sont en cours de développement et ne sont pas encore disponibles.

ferme.jpg
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:09 am

C'est merveilleux, merci beaucoup.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby pilou » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:51 am

I will make corrections on the post above! ;)
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:14 pm

French translation of the Roof Truss Menu:



I will roll a sub revision so everyone can try it out.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby pilou » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:21 pm

It's a beginning! :)

Have you a system of translation ?
Or I must edit some files ?
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:25 pm

I am still compiling the list of words and phrases, there are a lot of menus, too many.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby pilou » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:00 am

That is the problem of very detailed program! ;)

Ps I can make an adpatation of this page in French! ;)
Only for the fun, (It's my hobby) :enlight:

So that will be a cool training for the future Panel's Truss Translation!

Yet made Twillight, Podium, FlexTools, Groboto (collector), ZBrush, SimLab Composer,
3DCoat (Manual), PolyBrush, Qubicle2, SUbD, Profil Builder2, Moi3D, GifCam, Monolith (manual), Visualizer, SolveSpace etc...and so many UI, Manuals, curiosities etc...
I'm frightened by this list! :mrgreen:
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:18 am

Wow, that is pretty amazing.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby pilou » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:20 pm

Look at your Private messages! ;)
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:35 am

As the number of advanced options have increased (common trusses) the user input menu has slowly grown in size until it is so large that it often does not fit the screen of many laptops and smaller screens.

This problem has been well documented by a number of users for quite some time.

This weekend I spent some time putting together a new HTML menu for advanced options for roof trusses:



I still need to work out the metric version and also all of the language translations but otherwise I think it is almost ready to roll out.

As you mouse over each of the options a 320x240 image will display as shown, hopefully clarifying the meaning or usage of each parameter/option.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby pilou » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:59 am

Help Image is a very very good idea! :thumb:
Very very first draft as you can see the "?" ! ;)


Veuillez choisir les options avancées pour les fermes de toiture
Roof and Wall Sheathing = Revêtement de Toiture et Revêtement Mural
Roof Sheathing = Revêtement de Toiture
Roof Sheating Thickness = Épaisseur du Revêtement de Toiture
Gable Wall Sheathing = Revêtement Mural du Pignon

sub-fascia = Sous-fascia ?
sub-fascia type = Type de Sous-fascia ?
sub-fascia width = Largeur de Sous-fascia ?
sub-fascia depth = Profondeur de Sous-fascia ?

rakeboard = ?
gable overhang = Porte-à-faux du Pignon
rake board width = Largeur ?
rake board depth = Profondeur ?

outloockers = Débords ?
outlooker spacing = Espacement du Débord ?
outlooker size = Taille du Débord ?
structural outlookers = Débord Structurel ?
outlooker @ roof peak = Débord @ Pointe de Toit ?

heel blocking = Blocage du Talon ?
heel block orientation = Orientation du Talon ?

cladding = Revêtement
roof cladding = Revêtement de Toiture
hip and ridge cap = Capuchon de Croupe et de Faîtage ?
gable wall cladding = Revêtement Mural du Pignon

additional options = Options Supplémentaires
soffit cut = Coupe de Soffite ?
roof returns = Retours de Toit
roof battens = Lattes de toit
ceiling gypsum = Gypse de Plafond
gutters = Gouttières

...
dropped top chord = Panne Supérieure Lancée ?
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:02 pm

Version 2.1.1 - 12.04.2017
- Enabled a graphical user interface for advanced options of roof trusses.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby pilou » Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:09 am

new refinement! :)

- Commun ( Classique en w) - Grenier( Habitable) - Mono-Pente - Ciseaux( Entrait Retroussé)- Empennage ( à coyeau) Double-Pente ( Asymétrique)
- Corde d'Arc (Arc) - Arceau de Barrique (Arc triangulé) - Polynésien ( tropicale)- Bombé ( entrait retroussé variante ou Polonceau ) - Cathédrale - Plateau(Double ferme articulée)
- Simple Ciseau - Simple Cathédrale - Clergé (Contemporaine ) - Voûte En Berceau (En voute ) - Grenier Surélevé ( à la Mansart)- Caisson ( à entrait décalé)
- Plat ( poutre treillis )- Cathédrale Symétrique ( treillis à deux pentes) - Studio en Berceau ( à entrait décalé) - Double Inversé ( double articulée) - Corde Parallèle - Charpente





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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:05 pm

I am trying to understand how the Mac .plist file works. Is it similar to the registry? I have a client that is having some trouble with registering (inputting their serial into the global settings) and having their system save the serial number.

Unfortunately, I don't own a Mac so I am not much help. Does anyone use the plugin on a Mac and have had similar problems with saving the serial number? Where does one go to manually edit the .plist file and enter in the serial number manually.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby glro » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:02 pm

medeek wrote:I am trying to understand how the Mac .plist file works. Is it similar to the registry? I have a client that is having some trouble with registering (inputting their serial into the global settings) and having their system save the serial number.

Unfortunately, I don't own a Mac so I am not much help. Does anyone use the plugin on a Mac and have had similar problems with saving the serial number? Where does one go to manually edit the .plist file and enter in the serial number manually.


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i had the same questions
so i bought a mac: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Mini
sheap, you can use windows mouse, keyboard and screen
there are a few things to modify in the ruby code por windows, to make it work on a mac
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby medeek » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:38 pm

I am working on adding the heel blocking since it is an option listed in the advanced options.



So far there has not been much call for this feature but a few people have inquired so I figured we might as well add it in for completeness. The red coloration is for clarity in the image above.

I will probably add the option to allow for venting holes since this is fairly typical in my neck of the woods.
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Re: 3D Truss Models

Postby pbacot » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:36 pm

Very important. Sometimes the heel blocking, when taller, is a truss manufactured square that might have sheathing.
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