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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:09 pm

For those that are following along at home, I worked out how to change the orientation of the texture so that the grain of the wood runs along instead of across:

1. Edit the component.
2. Select the face that you want to change the texture orientation.
3. Right click it.
4. Select "Texture -> Position"
5. Click and drag the green circle 90 degrees.
6. Click outside the area to close the texture orientation tool.
7. Go to 2 for all faces that need changing.
8. Close the component.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Dave R » Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:12 pm

If you want to turn the texture 90° (or 180° or 270°) you could right click at step 5, click on Rotate and choose the angle from the menu.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:21 am

Is there a script that would allow you to right click once and select "Rotate material 90 degrees" instead of having to right click it twice?
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Dave R » Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:03 am

Not that I'm aware of. If you correct the alignment immediately before applying the material to faces in other components, you can use the eyedropper to sample the material and get the alignment done properly.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby SchreiberBike » Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:02 pm

Hazza,

You are right about the widely varying quality in the warehouse. A select list has possibilities.

Here are a couple which I think would meet your criteria. I often do a model with full joinery, then do a simplified version which could be used as a component in another model. I'm also very interested in critical feedback in order to learn to model and design better.

Frank Lloyd Write Lamp
Full detail: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... 4bb7387d70
Simplified: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... 53&ct=mdrm and http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... ca&ct=mdrm

The workbench I'm trying to get finished.
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... d9b619cbad

A study for a carved walking stick.
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... 48d8f1e936

A bunch of shaving horses in varying levels of detail.
design by Roy Underhill: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... f081a6a142
design by Drew Langsner: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... 48d8f1e936
design by Richard Burton: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... 48d8f1e936
design by John Alexander: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... 48d8f1e936
design by Brian Boggs/Lie Nielsen: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... 48d8f1e936
And a study which does not meet your criteria at all, but which has been very useful to me in planning a shaving horse design:

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... f081a6a142

Many more at http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... 3402454788 . Not all are woodworking projects, but there are many which could be useful to woodworkers.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:27 am

Great news, Google has added a new feature to the 3D warehouse. You can add collaborators for a model or even a collection. I am opening up the "SketchUcation Woodworking" collection to anyone that wants in.

Send me a PM with your e-mail address and I will add you as a collaborator. Collaborators are be able to add models to the collection.

This additional feature is a step towards my vision of this woodworking collection being "owned" by the SU community.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Gaieus » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:37 am

Note that you need to have a Google account for this and you need to send that email address to Hazza so that he invite you as collaborators.

Also, there is a limited number of changes you can make and to which you can revert your collection, so from time to time "purge" older changes from the History tab.

Happy collecting! :thumb:
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Hazza, be careful with the permission settings!
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Sawduster » Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:36 pm

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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby ktkoh » Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:06 pm

I need some help on uploading files to the 3d warehouse. I have some furniture models that I saved as kmz files but when I tried to upload one it gives me an error message that there needs to be at least one model in the file to upload.

Any ideas what I am missing??
JillsBed.kmz

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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:39 pm

What is a kmz file? What program did you use to create it?

3D warehouse only lets you upload SketchUp models.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Gaieus » Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:11 am

kmz is the file type SU creates from a model for Google Earth. From SU you can only upload kmz files however on the front page of the WareHouse you can directly upload kmz files as well. But you cannot use them in SU later so unfortunately it would no be help for SU modelers.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby ktkoh » Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:56 pm

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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:38 am

The last 4 links take you to the same model.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby ktkoh » Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:27 pm

I fixed the links so all models are shown

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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:28 pm

I will have a look at these tomorrow.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:12 pm

Sheet music cabinet:
Sorry, but criteria 4 is "No overlapping solids".

Have a look at the "side slats" component, it overlaps the side rail, the side slat and the post. Same thing with the shelves and the back.

Media Center:
Meets the model criteria, although I have a woodworking type question about the bottom rails. They seem to be mortise and mortise not mortise and tenon joints. Is that a mistake or do you put in a seperate piece of wood to fill both holes?

Dresser:
It's a complex model with many pieces but what I looked at looked all good.

Youth desk:
Same issues as the music cabinet, in the same locations too, side rail, side slat and legs.

Night Stand:
At first the orbiting was weird, then I figured out you had the camera in parallel projection. There are gaps in the woodworking like between the bottom stetcher and the shelf but it meets the criteria.

Queens size bed:
The foot board and head board overlap both the rails. It does not stop it being in the collection but I thought you would like to know some of the components don't have material on all faces, for example the ends and bottom of the side rails.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Gaieus » Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:27 pm

You've become rather picky, Hazza! :P
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Dave R » Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:30 pm

Hazza wrote:[b]Media Center:
Meets the model criteria, although I have a woodworking type question about the bottom rails. They seem to be mortise and mortise not mortise and tenon joints. Is that a mistake or do you put in a seperate piece of wood to fill both holes?


Hazza, are you familiar with "loose tenon" joinery?


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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby ktkoh » Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:57 pm

Thanks for lookig at the models. I had forgot that I omitted the slots for the slats in the models where the 1/4 panels sit in the rails and styes. I will remeber to include that in the future and will go back and fix the models.

Yes I have started to use loose tenon joints since I built a fixture that works with an old shop smith and works like a horizontal router so long parts are no longer a problem. (except my shop is narrow and crowded)

The gap in nightstand is intentional and required for seasonal wood movement as the shelf is solid wood.

I only use texture where visible from the front and sides most of the time to show the family what thier designed furniture will look like and to get the approval to build.

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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:09 am

Gaieus wrote:You've become rather picky, Hazza! :P

Yes and it's what is not accepted into the collection that sets the quailty. If I let that model slip in why not the next one. Then the next one that is slightly less quailty than that... etc etc.

Dave R wrote:Hazza, are you familiar with "loose tenon" joinery?

No, that's why I asked. I am a SU modeler that does woodwork models, not a woodworker that does SU models.

I have no doubt in my mind that there is heaps of woodworking stuff I have never seen before. That's why I like detailed woodworking plans. I am able to follow the plans with no prior woodworking knowledge.

Now I am familiar with loose tenons... you learn something everyday.

ktkoh wrote:I will remeber to include that in the future and will go back and fix the models.

When you do let me know and I will add them to the collection.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Gaieus » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:01 am

Hazza wrote:Yes and it's what is not accepted into the collection that sets the quailty. If I let that model slip in why not the next one. Then the next one that is slightly less quailty than that... etc etc.

Yes, I know exactly. I was just pulling your leg. ;)
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:09 am

Gaieus wrote:Yes, I know exactly. I was just pulling your leg. ;)

Yeah I know you were but it was just in case others came across the thread and thought I WAS being too picky. I would have thought of a witty reply but my caffine system has too much blood in it.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby ktkoh » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:01 pm

I understand about standards and I am fine with you saying that the models need fixing to be included. That seems reasonable to me.

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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby baz » Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:05 am

Heres my contribution.
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... revstart=0

With reference to woodgrain orientation, it always used to be a real pain, but now in su7 you can edit the image in pshop. Simply save the texture as a copy in su. Export it to your image editor, rotate the image 90 degrees and voila!

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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Dave R » Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:13 am

Nice chest you've got there, Baz.

I wouldn't want to have to fit those dividers though. Are you going to build it?

Hazza won't like it because the case isn't drawn as separate components. ;)
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby peweuk » Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:46 am

baz wrote:Heres my contribution.
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... revstart=0

With reference to woodgrain orientation, it always used to be a real pain, but now in su7 you can edit the image in pshop. Simply save the texture as a copy in su. Export it to your image editor, rotate the image 90 degrees and voila!

Baz


I am drawing some cabinets to be made from sheet material in V7 and found this useful feature, and that is what I did at first BUT....

I then decided I wanted the model to work with the cutlist plugin (planning a whole kitchen) and found that to do it this way requires 2 images with different names, one for each material orientation, which causes Cutlist to show the board layout on 2 different sheets (one for each material) instead of one.

So I revisited the model and changed the axis for the parts which needed it (top, shelf and bottom) and this allowed me to use the same texture for all parts.

The cabinets are all created as Dynamic Components in V7 (for easy parametric re-sizing) and the alterations to the X, Y, Z sizing was easily done in the Components Attributes window once I changed the axis.

So if you are designing with a lot of cabinets (such as a kitchen) and are looking to use a cutlist output (either the plugin or a spreadsheet) the axis change is the way to go.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby baz » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:31 am

Dave R wrote:Nice chest you've got there, Baz.

I wouldn't want to have to fit those dividers though. Are you going to build it?

Hazza won't like it because the case isn't drawn as separate components. ;)



Thanks Dave, I actually made this many years ago as my 'masterpiece' (in the sense of the traditional apprentice/journeyman/master, guild system.) I cut each of those mitres on the dividers with a 'donkeys ear' shooting board, and they are a dry fit.
If you push a drawer closed firmly most of the rest slide open, I was pleased with that:)

Not sure I understand about about your component comment re hazza?

Baz.
ps: sorry about the daggy photo, its the one I used for photomatching, all the good shots of this are on slide. (another job to get round to:(



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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Dave R » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:36 am

Ah, the perfect piston fit drawers. You are indeed a master. Excellent work.

You didn't glue the dividers to each other? That's a neat arrangement.

Are you still doing cabinet work.

re: The component comment, The case sides, top and bottom are all one blob of geometry. Hazza's criteria is that every part you'd make in wood must be a separate component. I think your model is fine as it is.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:41 am

baz wrote:Heres my contribution.
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... revstart=0

With reference to woodgrain orientation, it always used to be a real pain, but now in su7 you can edit the image in pshop. Simply save the texture as a copy in su. Export it to your image editor, rotate the image 90 degrees and voila!

Baz

Dave is right, each piece of wood does need to be a seperate component OR group to met the criteria. The outside box is one group. If I wanted to seperate it into 4 pieces so that I could take measurements I could not do so without many many hours of SU work.

As for the material orientation, you could change that in SU6 without "editing" the texture in an external application:
  1. Edit the component (or group)
  2. Right click the face you want to change
  3. Select "Texture -> Position"
  4. Right click face again
  5. Select "Rotate -> 90 (or 180 or 270)"
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Dave R » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:11 am

Hazza wrote:If I wanted to seperate it into 4 pieces so that I could take measurements I could not do so without many many hours of SU work.


Well twenty one minutes, anyway. ;)
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