Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

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Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:53 pm

In an effort to increase the level of quality of woodworking models on the 3D warehouse I have created a collection (here)that I am inviting all SketchUcation users to add to. The model must met certain criteria to be added to the collection.

1. It must be to scale, (no 3 mile wide bird boxes).
2. Each piece must be a separate component or group.
3. If the model uses components, the component must be to scale.
4. There can be no overlapping solids.
5. At least one scene or layer must show the woodwork item as intended to be finished.

To have your model included in the collection:
1. Upload it to the 3D warehouse.
2. Copy the link to the model and paste it in this thread.
3. If the model meets the criteria above it will be added to the collection.
4. If it doesn't then you will be informed why, how it could be improved and invited to resubmit it.

I suggest downloading and installing the Model ID plugin. This plugin allows you to replace the model already uploaded to the 3D warehouse with an improved version instead of having a second copy (or third or fourth or....)

(Edit) The models do not have to be your own, if you come across a model that you think is worthy of inclusion please post it's URL as well. Rest assured that I will contact the modeller first to explain what the collection is about and ask thier permission to include the model.
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Re: Invitation

Postby Jean-Franco » Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:31 pm

Hazza,
are these models what you're looking for ?
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?q=jft68&styp=m
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Re: Invitation

Postby Hazza » Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:55 am

Those models are exactly the type that are worthy of inclusion and I find myself wondering how you did some of it.

Only a few minor points about them that does not stop them from being added. One or 2 pieces have reversed faces:
1. Chaise has a reversed face in the component "Traverse assise AR". Change the view to monochrome and look underneath. I don't know what the woodworking term for it is but one end with the bits that stick out.

2. Etagère contemporaine has some lines underneath the top piece and component "Composant#1". There are some floating lines where the component "montant cintre" goes through the component "plateau inferieur". The component "Grouper#3" has some floating lines and it has a guide line within the component on the front left corner. My guess is that they where guide lines that didn't get deleted. To see what I mean delete those components.


The models that don't met the criteria are:
1. The Table secrétaire is such a beautiful model and I really want to add it but I can't just yet. The component "Plateau" is made of multiple pieces of wood. It shows that the top is four pieces of wood on the outside surronding the inlays but underneath shows it as a single piece. All of the inlays are a zero thickness. Same issue with the the component "Face tiroir" and all the "Traverse" components.

It also a minor issue of some reversed faces on the handle.

2. Console. The components "Plateau1" and "Glissiere G/D" seem to be made from several pieces of wood but are single components. It uses the same handles as "Table secrétaire" that has the reversed faces.

Even the 2 that didn't get included are great works and I am curious how you did the legs on the Table secrétaire?
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Re: Invitation

Postby Jean-Franco » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:14 am

All models have been done time ago but a lot of your remarks are correct.
I've to look at it. For reverse faces I'm surprised because generally I pay attention to.
Nevertheless I'm always learning and I'll improve my models as soon as I get some time for it.
For the Louis XV legs style I already explained this here http://www.sketchucation.com/forums/scf/viewtopic.php?f=183&t=9073
That's a simple question of intersecting two profiles. The text is in french but the pictures are self explanatory, I think.

You seem to have some expertise with SU, would you share some of your models with us ?
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Re: Invitation

Postby Hazza » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:32 am

Jean-Franco wrote:You seem to have some expertise with SU, would you share some of your models with us ?

Ha ha.. I am no expert I have only been using it for 4 weeks now. All of my models can be found on the 3D warehouse here.

I just took to SketchUp like a duck to water. Back in the early 90's I helped out in the graphics section of where I worked. The guy that was showing me the ropes had a REAL eye for details. I carried that through to my photography using GIMP and now to SU.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Jean-Franco » Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:43 am

Ok, I see
Hazza, a point that i forgot to mention in my previous post. There is no error on the table top. (Error within the meaning of SketchUp). This table top will be done in mdf or in plywood and will be venereed. This choice is for a better stability. SU component for inlay has no meaning here. The veneer is 0.6 to 0.9 mm thick, so i see no interest to give it a thickness in SketchUp. Any woodworker will understand this. But everyone can have different opinions. I build furniture as hobbyist and i am using SketchUp as help tool. So I do not have necessarily the need to draw all details as long as I know where i want to go.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:21 pm

Jean-Franco wrote:This table top will be done in mdf or in plywood and will be venereed.

Ok cool, it has been added.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Jean-Franco » Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:04 pm

Hazza could you tell me how to use your script for updating my models already posted on 3D Warehouse ?
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:41 pm

It's not so much a script to do the uploading, it just tracks the Model ID. After you have installed the script the Model ID tracking is automatic when you upload to the 3D warehouse. If you have already uploaded a model before you installed the script and you want to replace it you need to set the model ID manually:

1. Visit the models web page.
2. Click on the "Link"
3. At the end of the link it will show the model ID, for example my Queens size bed model has "....ls?mid=5511166e3a0b199c4cc1952ae0d6e81a"
4. Copy the models ID number.
5. In the model, go "Plugins -> Model ID -> Set Model ID"
6. Paste in the Model ID.

You will now be able to replace the model with the new improved version. You can tell if setting the Model ID was successful because the upload window will show the description etc from the warehouse that you already had up there.

BTW. A little tip, save the model, upload it, save again, the model ID is the "change" between saves. If you don't save the second time you will have to set the model ID manually...or you could just save once after you upload.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Gaieus » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:17 am

This is a nice idea in general, Hazza!

Just an addon about the model ID thing: if you have anything uploaded in the WH and you download it for further enhancement, it will already contain the model ID so if you re-upload the revise model, you need not fiddle with setting it up again.

Of course this only works with your own model at this time.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:15 am

Gaieus wrote:This is a nice idea in general, Hazza!

Thanks, do you have any models to add?
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Gaieus » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:20 am

I don't really do woodworking but maybe I'll have some thing in the future.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Jean-Franco » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:27 am

Hi All,
Hazza, you can visit this link and you will find interesting things. I know Bert and he his doing SketchUp plans in a very clear and strict manner. All models have been really produced in his workshop. You can contact him. http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?uq=03655370778484262638&start=0
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Bert » Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:34 pm

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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:01 am

Bert,

I have only looked at a couple of your models but they are all so well done I would like to add all of them. I was not aware you were already a member of this forum, that's why I used the contact link on that desk.

There are a couple of reversed faces on some of the pieces I have looked at but that does not stop them from being included in the collection. If you would like to know which faces on which pieces I can let you know.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:42 am

If anyone wants to see excellent examples of not only the finished model but the layout of the scenes then they should have a look at Berts models. A few of them have small issues like overlapping solids or the solid is incomplete but they are all high quality.

The majority of Berts models have a scene for each component individually and dislays the measurements for them as well. I think I will revisit my models to do the same thing.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Jean-Franco » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:11 pm

Hazza, the console project has been updated and you can check if it's convenient for you.
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=883f5e54f764056f6dd4165bd7fb497
I don't spend time to place all measurements on my plans until I decide to effectively build them.
The four exemples shawn were just exercices to learn SketchUp and not more.

Bert is really doing well with SU and in his shop ! :thumb:
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Bert » Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:10 am

Tank you guys but I have to admit that I was not too much concerned about reverses faces.

If I understand right it is more important if you export to another application

My method of adding cotations is (for beginners) a little bit heavy but once you get used to it
it is just a simple routine.

Having acquired the pro version I do export my drawings to LAYOUT and then I can make PDF document of it
You can have a look at some of them at that location https://cid-ef5ebd0cbc32b77f.skydrive.live.com/home.aspx
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:00 am

bert wrote:If I understand right it is more important if you export to another application

That's my understanding as well, that's why reversed faces does not stop the model from being included in the collection.

Bert, as complex as your models are it is very easy for me to check them. Each piece has it's own page and you have inspired me to do the same. There are a couple of models with overlapping or incomplete solids though.

You have to look quite hard at some of your models to find the issues but the quailty of the collection will be determined by what is excluded.

Having said that, if anyone notices a problem with a model that is in the collection please let me know, after all I am only human and I may have missed something.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:16 am

Jean-Franco wrote:Hazza, the console project has been updated and you can check if it's convenient for you.

If you say that your model has been updated and the problems fixed then I believe you... not only that, the computer I am on does not have SU on it :)
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby watkins » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:24 am

Dear Hazza,

Do you know about these models?

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... 0682725115

Regards,
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:42 am

watkins wrote:Do you know about these models?

I do now, are they yours?

I will download them and check them out when I can get on a computer with SU on it.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby watkins » Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:04 pm

Dear Hazza,

No they are not mine, but they look to be well drawn.

Regards,
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:02 am

watkins wrote:No they are not mine, but they look to be well drawn.

They are all well made models, sadly all but one of the models fail the criteria. Almost all of them have several pieces of wood as a single component.

The model pages don't allow me to contact the owner but one had their web site so I can send them an e-mail. I will ask their permission to fix the minor errors that stop them being included.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:53 am

Hazza wrote:I will ask their permission to fix the minor errors that stop them being included.

I have e-mailed the original modeller and he said I can do what I want with them. I have only done 4 models so far but I have seperated each piece of wood so that they are individual components.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Dave R » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:00 am

Hazza, I'm curious. What is your intended use for these models? I agree that there's a lot of poorly modeled stuff in the 3D Warehouse. What is the goal of your collection here?

Nearly every piece of furniture I draw is drawn accurately and most all the pieces that would be made in wood are drawn as separate components. If I plan to build the piece or I'm drawing for someone else who will build it, all joinery is drawn, too. While drawing the furniture this way I work hard to keep file size to a minimum. Well, it really isn't very difficult if one uses proper management methods. I don't know that many of my models would be much use to others especially if the need is for furniture to fill rooms.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:10 am

Dave R wrote:Hazza, I'm curious. What is your intended use for these models?

A little background:
I work 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off on a defence contract. I am an electronics technician, if the site is running then we don't have much to do the 12 hours a day that we work. My intention for these models is to make them the best possible models as I can, to occupy my time.

Dave R wrote:I agree that there's a lot of poorly modeled stuff in the 3D Warehouse. What is the goal of your collection here?

The warehouse sets no standard, the goal is to raise the bar to be included in the collection. Sharing knowledge with each other on how to improve the models submitted. For example, how did you change the orientation of the wood grain on my bird feeder model? You missed one and I want to try it myself :)
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Dave R » Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:04 am

Sort of a Maytag Repairman, huh? ;) My job is like that sometimes, too.

Which axis did I miss?

To change the axis orientation of a component, right click on the component and choose Change Axes. Click at the origin then along the desired red direction and finally along the green direction. BLue takes care of itself.
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Hazza » Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:37 am

Dave R wrote:Which axis did I miss?

If I am understanding you correctly you are saying to change the texture direction you have to change the axis orientation?
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Re: Invitation to the SketchUcation collection

Postby Dave R » Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:48 am

No. That's not it att all. Texture orientation is initially determined by the axis orientation of the component but one doesn't need to change the axis orientation to change the texture orientation. I did leave the orientation on one face of the long tray side component turned 90°. I actually did that so you would notice I corrected the other faces. All of the axes were oriented correctly, though.

The key components that needed axis alignment were the ones placed at angles. The roof and glass pieces primarily. The hinge leaves didn't because they must have been drawn flaf and then moved into place
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