[Preview] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

[Preview] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby NewOne » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:17 pm

Hy ! I'm glad to present you a preview of a new plugin.
It's name will be Skabinet, because is intended to ease furniture cabinets drawing under SketchUp.
What you will see is just a short demonstration of what it can do. You will notice that I use Ruby Console to input a command which is not finished yet, so I didn't connected it to a button.

Short observations:
PAL = Chipboard;
Blat = Worktop;
PFL = replace Plywood (that 3mm thick HDF used for cabinets back, or drawers bottom)

-those are material names or abbreviations from my native language (Romanian)

It will have more features like:
-automatic material assignment
-texture orientation along with first line when drawing the board
-export Bill Of Materials
-export cutlist in csv, xml, xls formats (with some predefined formatting, as required in some cutlist optimizing software - please tell me which ones do you use most)
-ability to set defaults (material, thick, names, and more...) Those settings will be saved in Windows Registry or an INI file.

next to add:
-automatic clearance for doors, cabinet's back plywood
-automatic edging
-and more...


So, if you have ideas, suggestions, please don't be shy... in the end this will be a TOOL, so it must be as efficient as it can be.
if the movie doesn't shows, whatch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S72kdDsUFGs
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby dedmin » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:42 pm

Ha, we are neighbors! Hello from Bulgaria and Donau river! Great idea! Vote for the banding - especially in CutList format. We need a column for each part with one of the several banding formats that CutList can use:

2009-11-12_234020.jpg
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby TIG » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:52 pm

Very good... very interesting... I watch with interest... ;)
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby utiler » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:01 am

Great idea, NewOne!!! Let me make a list of things to consider..... :berserk:
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby NewOne » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:09 am

to dedmin: Only some of cutlist optimizing software accept automatic input of edging. As you may know, CutMaster 2D http://www.cutmaster2d.com/ doesn't accept this, but it accept manual input of edge banding. What software is that, of window which you are displaying?

to TIG: thanks for your appreciation. I learned a lot from sketchucation and you (and others) helped me in the process.

to utiler: I'm waiting for your list! :D
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby Chris Fullmer » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:16 am

You should post about this in the woodworking forum too. Point back to this thread. I'm sure you'll generate lots of interest there!

Looks like its coming along great,

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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby NewOne » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:23 am

Chris Fullmer wrote:You should post about this in the woodworking forum too. Point back to this thread. I'm sure you'll generate lots of interest there!

I can't find such forum on sketchucation. Can you give me a link? :oops:
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby utiler » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:43 am

Okay, had a quick look....

1. Option to select either top bottom or middle for the piece you are building. would be handy for dividing shelves, gables, etc.... In addition to this maybe the option to set the size of the shelf and divide into multiple shelves....

2. You should consider the option for a set width. Say you are layout out the bottom shelf around a corner. the way you have shown in the video is to set width one way then the other whereas choosing the extent of the whole cabinet the giving it a depth of say 600mm, choosing the side to offset and BAM!!!!

3. Consider a simple 'kick' function. The Kickboard is the bottom section of a cabinet that is generally 120-150mm high and offset say 50mm in from the line of the cabinet face.....

4. Also consider overall profiles. When we engage a cabinetmaker to make joinery he takes overall measurements and works back his thicknesses and whatever he has left is what it is.... This way we are working the opposite; building from the ground up so we need to know that the kick is 140, floor is 16, benchtop is going to be 65 then take off the rest to determine the height of the carcass.... Maybe a simple tab could be added to the dialogue box to set, your overall heights then input your known data [kicks, tops, etc to make things a little quicker...

Anyway, enough for now. I'll give it some more thought......
Great work, mate!!!
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby DIEGO-RODRIGUEZ » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:56 am

Hello, new one.
good idea, can be a great plugins.

some suggestions:
- To save, complete models (which may be modified in idem plofile builder, but the complete cabinet)
- Draw cabinets full , not only the panels separately (as in the video)
- Choice of different types of fronts. (Drawers, door panel, doors
with glass, doors with metal frame etc ...)
- Incorporate hinges and Puxadores. calculate number of hinges, Puxadores and screws
- If used, mdf panels for cabinets, calculate the linear feet of singing.
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- keep in a folder, plugins folder within the busiest commercial textures used.
For the cabinets.
For example, in Argentina, almost all the cabinets that are made. plates used this company:
http://www.masisa.com/arg/esp/productos ... /270/1566/

plugins for view

- http://www.tomatoes.ch/blog/
- OSCarcase.rb
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby utiler » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:14 am

Diego, I would probably start with the core cabinet elements, not too often you will need to show screws and hinges; if so it will be at close detail. Hence only requiring high detail components placed where needed for detailed viewing. Otherwise the model gets overcrowded.....IMHO :thumb:
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby DIEGO-RODRIGUEZ » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:28 am

utiler >

if, of course.
I only meant, that can calculate the amount of screws, hinges and Puxadores
the design of these elements, can be somewhat simplified or absent.
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby NewOne » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:33 am

DIEGO-RODRIGUEZ wrote:utiler >

if, of course.
I only meant, that can calculate the amount of screws, hinges and Puxadores
the design of these elements, can be somewhat simplified or absent.

You are right! This is one of my next tasks after I will finalize the first version. All those elements can be absent from model, but still counted in report. It can be made by a simple script which will add the required amount of hinges based on door's height, same with screws.
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby utiler » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:38 am

DIEGO-RODRIGUEZ wrote:utiler >

if, of course.
I only meant, that can calculate the amount of screws, hinges and Puxadores
the design of these elements, can be somewhat simplified or absent.


SURE.... :thumb:
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby dermotcoll » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:48 am

Looks like you have the makings of a very handy tool there newone - I await further developments. Very good work so far! :thumb:
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby Jack Barnhill » Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:49 am

This looks like it will be a great tool. I noticed that the description only references metric measurements. Is that determined by the plugin or does the plugin use the units set up in SketchUp?
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby mics_54 » Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:57 am

I don't know much about building a ruby script but I do know cabinetry construction if you need input. Customization of panels, pedestals, ladders, cletes, rabbits, dados, frameless (euro) or face front styles would make the script useful. Of course if you are a cabinet maker you are probably already aware of these things.

oh..and adjustable shelves.
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby linea » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:22 am

Newone this is great,

It is the plugin I would make - if I knew ruby. Cant wait to use it :D
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby NewOne » Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:49 am

Jack Barnhill wrote:This looks like it will be a great tool. I noticed that the description only references metric measurements. Is that determined by the plugin or does the plugin use the units set up in SketchUp?

I'm planning to make it adopt Sketchup's units, but for now I don't really know how.
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby NewOne » Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:51 am

linea wrote:Newone this is great,

It is the plugin I would make - if I knew ruby. Cant wait to use it :D

I learned ruby JUST to make this, believe me! You can help with ideas, instead :)
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby stefanq » Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:07 am

Excellent Andrei! I really need it! Do it!
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby dedmin » Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:17 am

NewOne wrote:to dedmin: Only some of cutlist optimizing software accept automatic input of edging. As you may know, CutMaster 2D http://www.cutmaster2d.com/ doesn't accept this, but it accept manual input of edge banding. What software is that, of window which you are displaying?

to TIG: thanks for your appreciation. I learned a lot from sketchucation and you (and others) helped me in the process.

to utiler: I'm waiting for your list! :D


This is a CutList Plus software. To export my data from SketchUP to CutList Plus I'm using CutList plugin. CutList Plus supports import of cvs or txt files. It recognizes four types of banding information:
2009-11-13_110616.jpg


I'm using the second format and attach banding information to the name of the component using ; as a delimiter:
2009-11-13_111022.jpg


Here is the cvs file created by the CutList plugin to be imported in CutList Plus:
Untitled_CutListPlusImport.zip
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby jhoutman » Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:19 pm

Looks great! So you are creating individual boards that are components, right? Then they are grouped together in a group.
How easy would the cabinet (group) be to edit or change size? I am working on a ruby that allows one to copy the whole group and automatically makes unique except where internally for the new cabinet/group, the components will not be unique to each other. If that makes sense. This part is done.
The idea is to make say a prototype cabinet or drawer. Copy or clone it. Then edit its dimensions with part II of my tool and bang! you have a new cabinet.
Perhaps FredoFreeScale does that. I have not check yet.
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby bluecollar » Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:06 pm

Hi Jhoutman

I use fredoscale everday for exactly what you are describing. For instance I have a standard drawer design which i cut on a cnc router. It features sides with slots for the base panel of 6mm plywood and notching for a lap joint for front and back. In order to use the drawer in all of my cabinetry i pull it from my components window, select it, click the appropriate fredoscale scale tool(forgive me i have never taken cogniscance of its name), select the appropriate axis for redimensioning (width ,height, or depth),hit TAB key and enter the new overall dimension required.

Fredoscale to my jaw dropping amazement(believe me it gives me the chills every time) resizes the drawer, keeping all the components exactly as they should be. for instance when i change the width the front and back rail extend to the appropriate length with the lap joint staying the correct depth, whilst the sides keep their thickness. when i change the height of the drawer all of the components stretch to their correct widths but the slot for the base stays the standard 15mm from the bottom and the 6.5mm wide that i need it.

It is simply the most astounding and usefull script for cabinetmaking ever!
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby bluecollar » Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:27 pm

Hi New One

Looks like you are doing an incredible thing there, I also use Cutlistplus and would welcome the edging detail export. In most of the cabinetry i do my panels are "upgraded" ie. I edge the board with solid timber of varying thicknesses, depending on the application, then veneer the board afterwards. If one had a simple edgebanding tool incorperated, say by being able to specify a edgebanding type that could then be "applied" to the appropriate edge that would be incredibly usefull.

thanks in advance for what looks like a script which will further enhance su's usefullness in furniture design
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby bagatelo » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:05 pm

I think that each part of the object should be adjustable. From the lid, the doors, the drawers, the baseboard. Then everything should be parametric.
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby dedmin » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:58 pm

Please, guys! This is not SolidWorks!
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby xrok1 » Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:30 am

Well? :lol:
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby MartinRinehart » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:37 pm

Looks like you've outlived your user name! Good work.

NewOne wrote:I can't find such forum [woodworking] on sketchucation. Can you give me a link?


See the board index, far right, at the bottom of every topic.
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby NewOne » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:49 pm

Uff, "soon" didn't meant after 2-3 weeks. :mrgreen: Sorry for that. I'm still working on it. Unfortunately I have little time to work on it. But it will! Live your life in that time.
Since now I re-made id from scratch for three times. And the hard part is that I'm learning programming in this time, because I don't have any experience.

So, sorry again. This thread was intended to collect some ideas that will help to guide this plugin in right direction.
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Re: soon [PLUGIN] Skabinet (make cabinets with Sketchup)

Postby dedmin » Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:47 pm

Thanks for this script, but it is not so practical - groups with strange names, BOM is messy and etc. Since introduction of the FredoScale plugin the kitchen design is very easy - just make all the models and modules and then drag and drop or stretch where needed and export with CutList! This way you can put the banding info and all the hardware. And you have all the models ready for the clients to choose from!
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