Tiny House Attempt

Tiny House Attempt

Postby Mike Lucey » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:24 pm

Hi Guys,

I'm resurrecting this post as I'm currently designing a Tiny House for a client/friend.

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The regulations for in-situ Tiny Houses here in Ireland are far more strict than they are in the UK. In the UK it seems a Tiny House is classified as a caravan but here in Ireland it falls under the domestic structure category with all the building regs that entails. I suppose I could put it on wheels!

Still, my initial attempt is, I feel, more in keeping with the Tiny House ethos and I'll push as far as I can until I reach a brick wall. It's the Fire Regs that are sticky but from past experience I have learned that if its possible to meet or possibly surpass the regs by other means it might be a flier.

The areas of contention are the sleeping loft head room and the short (overall) run of the stairs with its single foot area per step/thread. I've used this type of stair design before for loft storage entry. Once the user gets used to them they work fine.

The HWB/Shower/WC Pod construction should be fun but the upside is that one can soak their feet while on the WC ;)

I'm attaching a short video of the initial design, warts and all for comments, here. https://youtu.be/Nh1LWAkVwEI

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Re: Tiny House Attempt

Postby L i am » Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:09 pm

Hey Mike please check your Youtube settings. It says your video is private
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Re: Tiny House Attempt

Postby Mike Lucey » Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:12 pm

Hi Liam,

I changed the YouTube video to Public. Hope it works.

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Re: Tiny House Attempt

Postby boofredlay » Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:30 pm

Nice presentation and design Mike.
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Re: Tiny House Attempt

Postby Joe Wood » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:45 am

That's a nice presentation MIke!

give any thought about ridge and soffit vents?
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Postby Mike Lucey » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:58 pm

Thanks for showing your interest guys, much appreciated.

Joe, good point. However I'm now looking at the possibility of a mono truss type construction. This would serve two purposes, elimination of fascia/soffite and allow for a single material for roof and walls. Not sure, yet about which sheeting material to use yet, ideally it would need to be able to take a 45 degree bend. Timber ventilation would then be from the base (wall) to the ridge with vents positioned there.
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Postby Mike Lucey » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:40 pm

.... still playing with the tiny house design. I've eliminated the Velux windows also the eaves on the current design iteration and am looking at corrugated bitumen sheeting. I've sourced a manufacturer that produces sheets and accessories from 100% recycled materials, so that's a plus.



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Postby Mike Amos » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:55 am

A very interesting project, not easy are they? I found flat or very slightly sloping roof's work best for volume/footprint usage.

The alternate one foot steps have been used in boats and loft extensions for a long while but they would take some getting used to. Step off with the left foot and it's a LONG first step.

Solar or sun tubes are unlikely for this type of design which is a nuisance, they can liberate a lot of natural light and improve the feel of a home. A cupola type of unit perhaps?
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Postby Mike Lucey » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:23 pm

Yes Mike, I'm finding the project very interesting.

The stairs is tricky to get right. My proposed ground floor to bottom of floor joists will be 2.1m (approx 7'0"). I will expose the floor joists in order to give the impression of more height. The rise per step will be approx 230mm a shade over the normally allowed maximum in standard dwellings (225mm).

Sleeping Loft Stairs.jpeg

I've used this type of stairs on a few attic conversions in the past and once the occupier gets used to them they work fine. I have included two hand rails which wrap around the 1st floor partition. These should help to make the stairs safer to use.
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Postby Mike Lucey » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:26 pm

Meeting the kitchenette requirements has been a little tricky but I'm nearly there. I have to yet change the single bowl sink to a bowl/drainer and its done.
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Postby L i am » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:50 pm

Nice work! must be a fun project Desigfning for yourself. One thing is those steps will not pass building code I would wager ;)
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Postby Joe Wood » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:22 pm

these stairs might meet code better Mike, as they have closed risers. I saved these from somewhere way back during the @Last days.
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Postby L i am » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:41 pm

Joe Wood wrote:these stairs might meet code better Mike, as they have closed risers. I saved these from somewhere way back during the @Last days.


Hi Joe, those stairs wont work. Risers and tread need to be consistant as if you do not watch your feet Like in the dark you not have a predictable rise, if you have a bias to the left or right of the staircase or transitioning between the two...............thump crash
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Postby TIG » Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:13 pm

In the UK 'space-saver' stairs [alternating-treads] are allowed if accessing limited upper-floor space, and they meet a set of rules... e.g.
https://www.loftcentre.co.uk/loft-stair ... ing-stairs
In Ireland there are similar, if different, possibilities...
https://connollystairs.ie/product/space ... s-ireland/
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Postby L i am » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:32 am

TIG wrote:In the UK 'space-saver' stairs [alternating-treads] are allowed if accessing limited upper-floor space, and they meet a set of rules... e.g.
https://www.loftcentre.co.uk/loft-stair ... ing-stairs
In Ireland there are similar, if different, possibilities...
https://connollystairs.ie/product/space ... s-ireland/


Thanks for clarifying TIG, about 8 years ago part of my job was building compliance in Australia. So it makes sense for things to have changed with higher density living initiatives including shipping containers. Australia may have moved on the building codes, we often move inline with the UK :oops:
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Postby Mike Amos » Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:22 pm

Thinking a bit about this, is there a need/use for a thread about these projects? Something where people can exchange idea's and ask questions? Example, just what would be considered essential for a small home to be habitable without the resident going completely round the bend and, I don't know, go into politics?

Something I was thinking for Mr Mayor's project is a roof that can be pushed up like an awning, making an opening for summer. Possibly have a screen for the biters.
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Postby Mike Lucey » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:59 am

Mike Amos wrote:Thinking a bit about this, is there a need/use for a thread about these projects? Something where people can exchange idea's and ask questions? Example, just what would be considered essential for a small home to be habitable without the resident going completely round the bend and, I don't know, go into politics?

Something I was thinking for Mr Mayor's project is a roof that can be pushed up like an awning, making an opening for summer. Possibly have a screen for the biters.


Hi Mike,

I also think a thread for these kind of projects would work well. Possibly a sub forum for design projects in general where members here that are in various fields of design could show projects to the general community and at the same time benefit from concrete feedback.

Such a sub forum might also transition into a place that would allow the designers to sell the designs via SketchUcation thus generating income from their work.

I take your points regarding a cabrio roof and screen for 'biters' but here is Ireland we really don't get a lot sun and we have very few 'biters'. I have modified the design further to include a fixed cantilevered canopy. I'm currently finalising a short presentation movie and will load a link to same shortly for comment.

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Postby Mike Lucey » Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:59 pm

I've simplified and finished the design for the Tiny House and am now putting the presentation movie together. I should have it finished a in couple of days and will post here.

The key to the simplification was the use of the Friheten Sofa Bed which is available at IKEA.

I am attaching shots showing how this sofa bed transforms.
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Re: Tiny House Attempt

Postby Mike Amos » Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:49 pm

I am convinced that ratio of depth to width is the key to real habitability in these small properties. 2 to 1 seems to be a sweet spot.
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Re: Tiny House Attempt

Postby dale » Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:26 pm

These aren't quite as tiny as yours Mike, but the idea of pocket neighbourhoods is worth a look. He also includes lot of fine innovations.

https://rosschapin.com/projects/pocket-neighborhoods/
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Re: Tiny House Attempt

Postby Mike Amos » Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:48 pm

Interesting link. :thumb:
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Re: Tiny House Attempt

Postby Mike Lucey » Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:25 pm

I've finished the Tiny House design. It's now quite a simple design suited to a single user or couple. Here are a few images of the Tiny House also a link to a short short video.
https://vimeo.com/594255773
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Re: Tiny House Attempt

Postby Mike Amos » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:08 pm

Mike, that looks bloody good actually. :thumb:
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Re: Tiny House Attempt

Postby dale » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:41 pm

Very well considered Mike. It is a real challenge to get all that is needed in such a small place. I think you have had total success.
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Postby pilou » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:40 pm

Small is beautiful! :enlight:
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Postby Joe Wood » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:02 pm

When will this get built Mike? Are you going to help with it? We'll need plenty of pics!!
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Re: Tiny House Attempt

Postby Mike Lucey » Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:56 pm

Thanks for the feedback guys, much appreciated.

Joe, As I mentioned, I designed this for a client/friend that is looking at possible ways of increasing his tourist revenue by having some Tiny Houses in the large rear garden of his rental unit. He quite likes the design but it will boil down to price per unit and of course obtaining planning permission. However, I am optimistic that the project will move ahead in the near future and I will of course post progress info/pics.

Here is a pic of the airbnb rental unit (yellow house). It's located in Liscannor, Co. Clare, Ireland a very popular tourist destination with some great award winning pubs. In fact, to the left of the unit is a Egan's bar a very popular watering hole that I've stumbled out of a few times:lol:

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Postby Mike Amos » Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:51 pm

Looks like a great watering hole. I do not mean to intrude but thought this might be if interest to folk.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 016-9732-2

It's a treatise on the psychology of living in a small home that has several insights.

Sorry Mike.
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Postby Mike Lucey » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:53 am

Nothing to be sorry about Mike. I read through and found it very interesting and the conclusions accurate.

I have often thought that the balance between living area and bedroom area could be better handled. When I think about it, it doesn't matter how large a person's bedroom is when they are using it for its primary use .... to sleep in. It could be just a little over the size of the bed!

I think bedrooms could be better planned with the use of transforming furniture and sliding partitions which would allow for part of the bedroom to become common areas. This might work well in the case of children's bedrooms. Imagine two bedrooms side by side with the ability to convert to two (mini) bedrooms with a play/hobby area in the centre in which the kids could have their friends join them in various activities. This might even be a possibility with the parent's bedroom(s) and the guest bedroom.

If I can find the time I would like to do an exploratory design exercise to see what might be achieved.
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Postby TIG » Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:11 pm

The traditional Japanese tatami house does just what you suggest with a small core which is adjustable with sliding partitions and cupboards full of extra tatami-mats [6'x3'each]

My main worry with this project is as you hone it down it's becoming more like either a garden-shed, a caravan/camper-van or a small boat...
But I don't want to dis your ideas, I think they are interesting...


PS:
The new BBC detective series 'Vigil' [set an a trident submarine] shows how you can cram mixed uses into small spaces - although sleeping in a third-level bunk with ~500mm spacing, with two belts to strap you in while you try to sleep your 4hours seems somewhat unappealing !
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