Don't waste trillions on BAD Climate Policy!

Don't waste trillions on BAD Climate Policy!

Postby Mike Lucey » Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:04 pm

Hi Guys,

Like many of you I have an ongoing interest in the Climate Change issue and have been following along on the subject for quite a few years. I was, until listening to Bjorn Lomborg , sitting on the fence as regards to best way to tackle the problem.

I watched, Bjorn Lomborg | Don't waste trillions on BAD Climate Policy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otsJno55J0g last night and after thinking about what he says and proposes, I have reached to conclusion that this guy has got it right and his ideas should be implemented worldwide.

The YouTube video/presentation is an hour and twenty minutes long and well worth watching if you, like me, have been searching for a level headed approach on how to tackle the problem.

If you manage to view the video I'd like to hear your thoughts on what Bjorn Lomborg says.

Mike
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Postby L i am » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:46 pm

Looks like nobody wants to chime in on this one ;)
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Postby Mike Lucey » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:44 pm

Hi Liam,

Yes, indeed it appears look that way. Could it be that many folks have been so brainwashed into accepting that anything that might appear to hint of 'Climate Denial' is taboo? I sadly think this is now the case.

I can assure all that Bjorn Lomborg is definitely not a so called 'Climate Denier'. On the contrary he is an independent thinker that puts forward very practical ideas on how to tackle climate change that in my opinion are doable from a financial point of view rather than the blanket (one size fits all) policies being proposed by The Paris Agreement/UNFCCC.

Bjorn appears to me to have no hidden agenda, he is simply looking at the problem statistically from a political scientist's (which he is) point of view.

Nearly forgot to ask, Liam, did you manage to view Bjorn's talk?

Mike
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Postby solo » Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:40 pm

Lomborg is best known as the author of The Skeptical Environmentalist and Cool It, two books that downplay the risks of global warming. Lomborg does not have a background in climate science and has published no peer-reviewed articles in journals devoted to climate change research. He has, however, authored policy studies arguing against climate change prevention measures. He wrote a similar article in the peer-reviewed journal Technological Forecasting and Social Change where he claimed, “Climate policies also have costs that often vastly outweigh their climate benefits.”
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Postby Mike Lucey » Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:56 pm

Hi Pete,

It's this,
solo wrote:“Climate policies also have costs that often vastly outweigh their climate benefits.”
that makes a certain amount of sense to me. I think he is arguing that the poorer countries should be given a chance to develop their economies and increase their population's standard of living before we as a whole go into battle against Climate Change.

Mike
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Postby Mike Amos » Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:17 am

G'day,

Basically there are interest groups out there pushing and puilling government in all directions, even the throw up berg idiot is only a front for self interest groups and their interest is in filling their pockets, not creating a cohesive plan on dealing with the gorss cause of this problem, US.

We throw ever increasing amounts of rubbish all over the planet and we breed like bacteria. How much carbon dioxide to WE emit? How much plastic is IN ht e food chain of wildlife?

Last time I went up to a beach in the north people were disposing of body waste on the beach and I include used nappies. We need to change but through a cohesive plan that is based on using the ability of our minds to keep the cost right rather than filling the pockets of the greedy bleep bleep etc.

There are many new materials out there that could help produce batteries of longer life and faster charging but we can also use the bi fuel developments to reduce emmissions while not braking the poorer aming us.

It is not going to be easy but frankly I'm another sick of the bleating of the unparented while they fill their pockets and do, effectively, nothing to cure the problem.

I do not see this working yet, not yet.
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Postby Mike Lucey » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:42 pm

'Plastic, plastic, plastic everywhere'. we are being smothered by the stuff.

There is something we can do about it though. A case in point. To my shame, I drink a lot of Coca-Cola....I like the bloody stuff :o About 6 months ago I noticed that Coco-Cola stopped using shrink wrap on their 6 packs. From what I understand this particular grade of plastic was non recyclable. They now use a very neat card holder which is 100% recyclable.

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I now examine all plastic containers that my shopping comes in and email the companies suggesting that they look at alternative recyclable packaging/containers if its not the case they are currently doing so.

The latest company I've emailed is Rowntree's of York the KitKat makers.....I like my KitKat with a nice cup of tea! I pointed out that KitKat used to be wrapped in tin foil with a paper cover which were recyclable and that they should go back to this wrapping and away from the the non recyclable plastic wrapper they currently use. I imagine if enough folks voice their dissatisfaction with regard to a company's product wrapping methods they will sit up and take notice. Its always good to mention another company that does so and all the better if its a competitor :-P

The great thing is that its now so easy to contact companies by email and if you install the free version of Mail Tracker you will be able to tell if they have actually opened your email.

On the subject of plastic dumping, I saw a news article last night on TV. It was about a group of volunteers in canoes collecting plastic bottles etc from rivers and disposing of them properly. The lady that was interviewed made a simple statement that struck a cord with me, "If everyone of us 7 billion people did our little bit there would be no problem"
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Postby numerobis » Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:05 am

4% (supposedly)

and

"The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future exact climate states is not possible"
IPCC - "Climate Change 2001 - The Scientific Basis"
(https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads ... report.pdf (pdf page 89))

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Postby L i am » Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:46 am

Mike Lucey wrote:Hi Guys,

Like many of you I have an ongoing interest in the Climate Change issue and have been following along on the subject for quite a few years. I was, until listening to Bjorn Lomborg , sitting on the fence as regards to best way to tackle the problem.

I watched, Bjorn Lomborg | Don't waste trillions on BAD Climate Policy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otsJno55J0g last night and after thinking about what he says and proposes, I have reached to conclusion that this guy has got it right and his ideas should be implemented worldwide.

The YouTube video/presentation is an hour and twenty minutes long and well worth watching if you, like me, have been searching for a level headed approach on how to tackle the problem.

If you manage to view the video I'd like to hear your thoughts on what Bjorn Lomborg says.

Mike


Hi Mike. TBH when I wrote my comment I had not seen the video but have watched it since. I do not know the answer, but he made some very good points. I have had a long standing interest in climate change, but things are changing, Glasiers are melting. it is getting hotter and drier and that is by direct experience. I have always cosidered it important that a more aggressive stance regarding R&D research into Co2 reduction technologies.........much, much, more and I think my Country could potenially at the forefront of that change and reep the benifits.
However I am not sure how it all stacks up as a cost benifit analysis between the human standard of living due to economic Factors involved in Co2 reduction. Which was the speakers main point. I have some degree of confusion now...........perhaps a good thing. My brain just started hurting.......;)
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Postby pbacot » Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:10 am

Good points Mike. Interesting--have you seen Coca-Cola is now investigating PAPER cans?
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Postby Mike Amos » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:45 am

Paper bottles, I have heard of. One of the coke ideas is a thin film of plastic inside the 'bottle' but not seen anything firm on the ideas.
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