SketchUp 2019 release

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Your opinion on posts / posting about the latest release of SketchUp.

Poll ended at Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:10 pm

I'm new to SketchUp and am unsure when new releases are due.
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1%
I'm sticking to version 8 free for commercial use.
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3%
I'm using an earlier version of SketchUp and am not in the market to upgrade.
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2%
I'm using SketchUp Free (online) and should always be up to date.
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I'm using SketchUp Shop (online) and should always be up to date.
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3%
I'm a little disappointed with SketchUp's updates over the last years and am somewhat reserved thus.
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55%
I've moved to other 3D software am just checking in here from time to time.
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3%
I'm too busy to wonder about the latest release.
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9%
I'm excited but am just not making a fuss about it.
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17%
I'm bound by NDA's and dare not be in the same neighbourhood as discussions about new releases.
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6%
 
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby klip53 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:58 pm

SU2019 does not create a autosave-file anywhere.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby solo » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:25 pm

klip53 wrote:SU2019 does not create a autosave-file anywhere.


I guess it helps with speed and stability, I always disable autosave anyway, got into a habit of saving before running any plugins.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby regnar » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:39 pm

Can’t help but suspect the overhaul of the UI & wanted features will come, but will only be introduced after the subscription model is in full effect.

Seeing where SketchUp Classic pricing is located on there web page, like Autodesk, I think the permanent license will eventually be phased out.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby rv1974 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:18 pm

solo wrote:.. I always disable autosave anyway, got into a habit of saving before running any plugins.

The only problem with this is that due to 'richness' of native tool set, SU modeling is almost non-stop plugin usage :)
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby numerobis » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:06 pm

"SketchUp in 2019: where great ideas get to work"

:mrgreen:

( https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup- ... et-to-work )
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby Pixero » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:28 pm

I have a personal pro licens with maintenance that ends in April.
If I decide not to continue the maintenance what will it cost me if I do decide to upgrade in a year?
Also, will bug fixes be downloadable still?
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby kaas » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:44 pm

In the Netherlands my reseller has the following info on their website:
- continue the maintenance (while license is still valid): 110,-
- upgrade after license has expired less than 1 year: 165,-
- upgrade after license has expired less than 3 years: 220,-
It all depends of course how long they will keep the classic license.

I expect bug fixes will only be downloadable if you're maintenance is still valid.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby Pixero » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:07 pm

Thanks, but isn't the latest install always available in the download page?
Is the license somehow crippled to not work with installs after maintainence expired?
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby numerobis » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:16 pm

1 year +55€ / +$60 (= 165€ / $180)
2-3 years +110€ / +$120 (=220€ / $240)

https://www.sketchup3d.de/bestellung/
https://help.sketchup.com/en/maintenanc ... ement-fees

As far as i know you can always install the latest point release (same serial). But maybe someone can clarify this.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby Derek Edison » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:08 pm

kaas wrote:It all depends of course how long they will keep the classic license.


I would give it 2 years based on what I'm seeing compared to what happened with Autodesk. This seems to be playing out closer to that than Adobe. If you didn't go through the Adobe & Autodesk subscription transitions this is the basic playbook:

1. Decide to push your customer base to a subscription model to increase and guarantee revenue.
2. Bundle your "flagship" product with other low selling or low cost apps/ services to increase perceived value.
3. Price your new subscription offering at half the perpetual license cost to offer easy entry but higher returning revenues past 3-4 years ownership vs. perpetual licensing.
4. Convert software development to a rolling release model. No need for major updates unless there is a disruptive competitor in the market.
5. Market your perpetual license customers to get them to switch over to subscription with "special one-time" offers to convert.
6. Make owning perpetual licenses progressively more expensive/difficult and keep any substantial new features as subscription only. Do not reveal any future plans for perpetual licenses. Rely on FUD to move them over.
7. After about two years or so cancel perpetual licenses to force the remaining hold-outs to subscription. Grandfather special subscription rates on on former perpetual licenses and then increase costs until there is no difference anymore.

Adobe is done.
Autodesk is on step 7.
Trimble is on step 4. Step 5 has already been mentioned over on the official form as a "customer loyalty" program.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby dedmin » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:54 pm

Derek Edison wrote:
kaas wrote:It all depends of course how long they will keep the classic license.


I would give it 2 years based on what I'm seeing compared to what happened with Autodesk. This seems to be playing out closer to that than Adobe. If you didn't go through the Adobe & Autodesk subscription transitions this is the basic playbook:

1. Decide to push your customer base to a subscription model to increase and guarantee revenue.
2. Bundle your "flagship" product with other low selling or low cost apps/ services to increase perceived value.
3. Price your new subscription offering at half the perpetual license cost to offer easy entry but higher returning revenues past 3-4 years ownership vs. perpetual licensing.
4. Convert software development to a rolling release model. No need for major updates unless there is a disruptive competitor in the market.
5. Market your perpetual license customers to get them to switch over to subscription with "special one-time" offers to convert.
6. Make owning perpetual licenses progressively more expensive/difficult and keep any substantial new features as subscription only. Do not reveal any future plans for perpetual licenses. Rely on FUD to move them over.
7. After about two years or so cancel perpetual licenses to force the remaining hold-outs to subscription. Grandfather special subscription rates on on former perpetual licenses and then increase costs until there is no difference anymore.

Adobe is done.
Autodesk is on step 7.
Trimble is on step 4. Step 5 has already been mentioned over on the official form as a "customer loyalty" program.

Spot on! Couldn't say it better!
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby Mike Amos » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:47 pm

Question is, will current users migrate in sufficient numbers to deter the slippery path development model?
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby juju » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:01 pm

Mike Amos wrote:Question is, will current users migrate in sufficient numbers to deter the slippery path development model?

With the "Classic" option link so difficult to spot / find, I would say many of the user will probably be going the subscription route only to realize later (possibly, if they look at this forum and / or the other) that they had options.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby kyeric » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:23 pm

It was said a bit earlier, but I believe the feature upgrades to the new version of SketchUp were held off due to the (rightfully) assumed backlash of the new pricing models. My bet is that SketchUp will have some substantial upgrade in about the next 6 months after the weeping and gnashing of teeth of this release. John Bacus' post of "...we have to earn your business over and over again every day you are under subscription" enforces my assumption that Trimble was wise not to bundle good news with bad.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby chaours1 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:00 pm

numerobis wrote:
juju wrote:
chaours1 wrote:and I do not think I'm the only one ...
https://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=70183


how is it that this link needs special privileges?


It's in the french forum. If you're not registered for the french language you're not seeing it as long as you're logged in. Just log out and you can read it (a bit stupid but this is how it works... ;) )



thank you for the answer
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby kaas » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:10 am

Mike Amos wrote:Question is, will current users migrate in sufficient numbers to deter the slippery path development model?

On the official forum it already seems like business as usual. No indication that anything will change.

The bigwigs don't care for a few hundred / thousand 'old' loyal pro users who move over to Blender/Rhino etc. They will try to lure more people into the subs model and will probably start raising prices slightly every year at some point. Bigwig + shareholders will be happy with the extra revenue.

At least there is a perpetual license v2019. If that one can stay alive for as long as SU 2008 is alive already, that buys me a few years time to find a replacement for SU&LO.

I do hope the plugin developers will stick around for a while. If they start leaving to Blender/Rhino etc - SU would loose its appeal to me even faster.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby david_h » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:20 pm

:shock:

Okay. .. I'm sad now.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby markchandler » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:37 pm

rv1974 wrote:Example.. I forced (via task manager) a file crash. On reopening v2019 asked whether I'd like to open an autosaved version which did preserved latest changes (similarly to PS). But untill now I haven't seen a single Autosave file in the project folder.
Maybe v19 creates them in Temp?
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Auto-save (aka, recovered) files are no longer saved in the same folder as the original SketchUp model; in SketchUp 2019 they are stored here:

C:\Users\YourUserName\AppData\Local\Temp\SKETCHUP\RecoveredFiles
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby juju » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:52 pm

It seems as thought the SketchUp team members have all quit responding and / or commenting on anything related (except some apparent issues some people may be having with licencing and / or other bugs / usage queries) to the SU2019 release gripes everybody is having.

Waiting for the storm to pass... Curious.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby solo » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:44 pm

juju wrote:It seems as thought the SketchUp team members have all quit responding and / or commenting on anything related (except some apparent issues some people may be having with licencing and / or other bugs / usage queries) to the SU2019 release gripes everybody is having.

Waiting for the storm to pass... Curious.



Like they do with every lackluster release, they wait it out, people forget fast. Frankly, I do not think they give a shit what we think, they just do not like us expressing our thoughts on their forum it seems.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby klip53 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:41 am

markchandler wrote:
rv1974 wrote:Example.. I forced (via task manager) a file crash. On reopening v2019 asked whether I'd like to open an autosaved version which did preserved latest changes (similarly to PS). But untill now I haven't seen a single Autosave file in the project folder.
Maybe v19 creates them in Temp?
@Juju: bot options are V-ed


Auto-save (aka, recovered) files are no longer saved in the same folder as the original SketchUp model; in SketchUp 2019 they are stored here:

C:\Users\YourUserName\AppData\Local\Temp\SKETCHUP\RecoveredFiles



thanks, I will make a shortcut to that location
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby rv1974 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:28 am

Sketchup devs are very lucky Trimble is not a Japaneese company. After all this v2019 storm in official forum they would be obliged to commit collective seppuku :)

https://qz.com/656080/a-japanese-ice-cream-maker-deeply-apologizes-for-raising-prices-by-9-cents/
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby sketch3d.de » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:30 am

markchandler wrote:
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C:\Users\YourUserName\AppData\Local\Temp\SKETCHUP\RecoveredFiles

why not bring it to "Window > Preferences > Files"?
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby numerobis » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:16 pm

solo wrote:Like they do with every lackluster release, they wait it out, people forget fast. Frankly, I do not think they give a shit what we think, they just do not like us expressing our thoughts on their forum it seems.


Yes, business as usual. Like all the other years without real improvements. They just don't care...

But it looks like Trimble has started an offensive to counter all the negative "open letters" in their forum. This really sounds to me like they wrote it themselves... and with a fresh account registered a few days ago. :mrgreen:
https://forums.sketchup.com/t/open-letter/88172
And even if this is a real post, i think it's very sad, since it must be someone who seems to have completely lost reality... (or discovered SU just very recently and doesn't know what's going on elsewhere in the 3D-world)
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby rv1974 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:58 pm

numerobis wrote:
solo wrote:https://forums.sketchup.com/t/open-letter/88172
And even if this is a real post..

I don't think he's the real user. Too much common empty dithyrambs.
I wouldn't be surprised if it comes from the same PR person that wrote about giant coffe consumption. What irritates even more are those 'Sketchup sages' with fairy tales about "no need for new features because people have diffrent needs".
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby solo » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:06 pm

That looks fake to me too, in fact I commented about it in another thread where he advertised his open thread: https://forums.sketchup.com/t/an-open-l ... /21?u=solo
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby numerobis » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:28 pm

rv1974 wrote:What irritates even more are those 'Sketchup sages' with fairy tales about "no need for new features because people have diffrent needs".

Yes, i noticed that too.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby Paul Russam » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:26 pm

There are very simple reasons that this profile has only been active for a week.

Profile ... what an odd term for a user account .... It sounds to me more like the term a forum admin might use
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby Derek Edison » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:20 pm

numerobis wrote:
rv1974 wrote:What irritates even more are those 'Sketchup sages' with fairy tales about "no need for new features because people have diffrent needs".

Yes, i noticed that too.


I suspect they are just protecting their mealticket. They don't want Trimble to poach their existing paid extensions or develop new features so they have more opportunity to develop more.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby kaas » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:18 am

I wondered a few times before v19 launched: do sages get any compensation?

Some of them are posting very fast and a lot on the official pages, really clear answers to questions.

If they aren't compensated in any way: hats off! You're doing the work a payed community manager normally would do I think.
If they are: shouldn't that be public in some way?
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