SketchUp 2019 release

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Your opinion on posts / posting about the latest release of SketchUp.

Poll ended at Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:10 pm

I'm new to SketchUp and am unsure when new releases are due.
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1%
I'm sticking to version 8 free for commercial use.
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3%
I'm using an earlier version of SketchUp and am not in the market to upgrade.
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2%
I'm using SketchUp Free (online) and should always be up to date.
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I'm using SketchUp Shop (online) and should always be up to date.
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3%
I'm a little disappointed with SketchUp's updates over the last years and am somewhat reserved thus.
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55%
I've moved to other 3D software am just checking in here from time to time.
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3%
I'm too busy to wonder about the latest release.
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9%
I'm excited but am just not making a fuss about it.
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17%
I'm bound by NDA's and dare not be in the same neighbourhood as discussions about new releases.
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6%
 
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby chippwalters » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:22 am

solo wrote:Rich O'Brien is fluent in Blender, he'd be a good tutor as he comes from SU and understands the issues most SU users have in Blender, I vote he starts the revolution, even I will join.

Hats off and a huge thanks to the plugin authors, they have been keeping SU alive the last few years You know they are listening as a few new importers and poly reducers are on the horizon, too bad we need such tools due to SU's poly limitations.


I'm glad to help out how I can. I love the SU community and have many longtime associated and friends here, Pete among them.

I just posted an open letter to Trimble over on their forum which may be of interest to some of you. I hope they consider becoming more transparent with their road map.

https://forums.sketchup.com/t/an-open-letter-to-trimble/87510?u=chippwalters
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby Pixero » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:49 am

WOW that was a great post.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby Mike Amos » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:02 am

Agreed. I would add a caveat to Trimble. "If you are not willing to treat the user/customer base with integrity, pass the product on to someone who can and will".
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby juju » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:57 am

Mike Amos wrote:Agreed. I would add a caveat to Trimble. "If you are not willing to treat the user/customer base with integrity, pass the product on to someone who can and will".

not sure how this could be ensured or by what / who's standards? yes, it could be a condition of sale, but not sure how enforceable it would be? not much point in debating this, if SU is making the umbrella corp a good profit then selling it wouldn't be much of a priority.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby mtno » Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:03 pm

All those in support of chippwalters solid letter to Trimble,
say 'Aye'...
https://forums.sketchup.com/t/an-open-l ... ippwalters
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby rparsons » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:34 pm

I agree with Chip completely... great letter Chip
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby chaours1 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:05 pm

I am also very disappointed with this new version and I am even more peeved to see that the system goes nicely but surely slip to the monthly licenses to do like boyfriends, such revive, adobe etc. .. It is quite a shame because in addition to an ergonomics hitherto much appreciated, sketchup could position itself as an alternative to the behemoths of the CAD and their relentless financial logic (to see the conflict between the UNSFA and Autodesk on the increase of the prices of license of revit on captive customers!)

In short, we hope to be heard in doubt but I hope so!

Why is it that when something is good, it must be destroyed? the question remains whole!

and I do not think I'm the only one ...
https://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=70183
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby Mike Amos » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:31 pm

What are they saying there, limited forum section?
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby WEB » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:19 pm

Someone here wondered why all the kvetching about dashed lines when that feature has long been on users’ wish lists. The problem is not with dashed lines. The problem is that by implementing only dashed lines, Trimble have shown that they are harvesting SketchUp, that they intend to milk it for all it’s worth while investing as little as possible.

Those of us who are doing the kvetching had high hopes for the future of SketchUp. (Surely the late release must mean big improvements, right?) but when this lackluster release is coupled with the new pricing scheme and with Trimble’s ongoing lack of enthusiastic communications with users about SketchUp’s future, the future of the software looks bleak indeed.

I hope my pessimism is not justified.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby Khai » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:02 pm

The problem is not with dashed lines. The problem is that by implementing only dashed lines


this, a thousand times this.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby Ben Ritter » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:22 pm

solo wrote:
L i am wrote:Just a thought bubble, might it be a good idea for the Sketchucation executives to consider creating a new forum in sketchucation specialising in transitioning from Sketchup to Blender? This may reinvigorate Sketchucation which has taken a beating since Trimble took over Sketchup. And would be a great help for people transitioning or simply for Skethup users to use the qualities of both programs. It would certainly work for me. Anyway like I said just a though bubble.



Rich O'Brien is fluent in Blender, he'd be a good tutor as he comes from SU and understands the issues most SU users have in Blender, I vote he starts the revolution, even I will join.

Hats off and a huge thanks to the plugin authors, they have been keeping SU alive the last few years You know they are listening as a few new importers and poly reducers are on the horizon, too bad we need such tools due to SU's poly limitations.


I'm on board with Solo's remarks, specifically the plugin authors. I hate that I have to say it, but I've been digging into Blender and others more than ever before because of SU's lack of progress and attention.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby CalypsoArt » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:40 pm

I a futile attempt to vent and perhaps be heard, I posted this on the Sketchup forum. I have no illusions that my words matter, especially considering the number of "good job Trimble" posts I read. At any rate, my reaction as written is real. I just completed my first work job in Rhino.
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"What a different response here about SU2019 as compared to other SU forums. Not one of my colleagues, or users I know, is pleased with what Trimble has done in this SU release.

I’ve been a Sketchup user since version 4. I find this “update” to been the most disappointing ever to be released. Thin in everything but methods to charge at increased/inflated rates. Further, the marketing is almost insulting. For your money, you get line types, revised Tape measure, and multiple ways to pay more for less. Still, based on the glowing, responses here, that copy writer must be pleased.

Though SU has been my main software for work since Version 4, I have been using Rhino for personal projects for a couple years. My transition to using Rhino for work begins today. In addition, I’m terminating my recommendations for, and instruction of, SU to 3D beginners. Rhino and/or Blender are just better options."
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby juju » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:44 pm

chaours1 wrote:and I do not think I'm the only one ...
https://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=70183


how is it that this link needs special privileges?
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby numerobis » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:53 pm

juju wrote:
chaours1 wrote:and I do not think I'm the only one ...
https://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=70183


how is it that this link needs special privileges?


It's in the french forum. If you're not registered for the french language you're not seeing it as long as you're logged in. Just log out and you can read it (a bit stupid but this is how it works... ;) )
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby genma saotome » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:46 pm

Subscription licensing usually means two things: there is not enough money coming in from new purchases which is usually caused by (2) there are no new features worth the development cost relative to new revenue, typically because the software does almost everything that people need. Take a look around... how many of us are still using old versions of MS Office and are perfectly happy with what we have?

This is the post-life stage of software, the time when vermin companies like Computer Associates (not Broadcom) sink their fungus tendrils into the corpse and suck out whatever nutrition (money) can be had by going to subscriptions and counting on companies not wanted to deal with the cost and loss of productivity that comes from moving over to new software..

Stick a form in it folks, SU (at least on the desktop) is done. Whether there is a
"new" cloud based product or not is up to Trimble -- and they're not telling, which usually means really bad news for the current product offering.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby juju » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:55 am

genma saotome wrote:Stick a form in it folks, SU (at least on the desktop) is done. Whether there is a
"new" cloud based product or not is up to Trimble -- and they're not telling, which usually means really bad news for the current product offering.

I wouldn't necessarily say the desktop version, but it certainly looks like they have set their sights on eliminating the perpetual licencing model. I sincerely hope that the perpetual licence with maintenance and support model is retained, even if it is alongside another licencing model.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby jiminy-billy-bob » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:36 pm

Considering the shitstorm during the last few days, I doubt they'll drop classic licenses anytime soon. The new website is effective enough to direct new users to subscription.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby Khai » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:47 pm

jiminy-billy-bob wrote:Considering the shitstorm during the last few days, I doubt they'll drop classic licenses anytime soon. The new website is effective enough to direct new users to subscription.


I wouldn't bet on them thinking that.
all I've read from the team in the ongoing storm over at the forums suggests it's full steam ahead and damn the torpedoes and we don't understand why your so upset....
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby juju » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:52 pm

jiminy-billy-bob wrote:Considering the shitstorm during the last few days...

Apt description. If I were a major investor/share holder there would be some explaining to do, mopping of floors and heads to collect. And this would have zero to do with licencing...
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby dedmin » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:05 pm

juju wrote:
genma saotome wrote:Stick a form in it folks, SU (at least on the desktop) is done. Whether there is a
"new" cloud based product or not is up to Trimble -- and they're not telling, which usually means really bad news for the current product offering.

I wouldn't necessarily say the desktop version, but it certainly looks like they have set their sights on eliminating the perpetual licencing model. I sincerely hope that the perpetual licence with maintenance and support model is retained, even if it is alongside another licencing model.


Cloud and subscription are perfect fit for INVESTORS and Shareholders! Because there is nothing to buy, download and install the only option is to rent. Software as a service - only way to pay for the same shit over and over again!
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby jason_maranto » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:20 pm

Same story every release. I said ages ago that the problem isn't Trimble (or Google before them) --the problem is the top leadership of the actual SketchUp devs. If anybody is surprised by any of this you haven't been paying attention at all.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby measuredmove » Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:00 pm

I still love Sketchup-it’s a comfortable, predictable tool. I’ve stayed with SU8 for personal projects and use SU18 PRO at work and there isn’t a whole lot of difference between the 2. In a way a good thing but what the heck has Trimble done with the revenue from sales and upgrades over the past 10(?) years.
It seems like the amazing plugin development community (not in house) have kept SU relevant but all that has allowed the core program to be left as is for the most part-kind of like why buy the cow if you get the milk for free. (Sorry. couldn’t think of a better analogy at the moment)
Jason_Maranto above said that it is the same reaction to every new version release-and I often thought the same thing. But humans are ever hopeful(naive) and adapt to disappointment eventually. Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if even half of peoples’ wishlist suggestions had been incorporated? Or a collaboration with the app developers to make major additions to the native SU tools. Ah well. I don't see that ever happening. Sketchup is not a well-loved dog at Trimble-it only gets thrown a bone every so often to stop it barking.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby klip53 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:39 pm

My version of 2019 does not autosave, does make backups
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby pbacot » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:00 pm

measuredmove wrote:I still love Sketchup-.


Yep.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby chippwalters » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:49 am

For anyone interested: I replied to their reply of the ridiculous reason for not sharing their roadmap:

https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup- ... ippwalters
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby kaas » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:08 am

To me, It doesn't look like the message is listened to by the su-team (looking at the posts on the official forum). Web dev and different stuff Will keep taking much of the resources while the desktop pro wont get the fixes It really needs asap.
Maybe were just a minority. Would be very interesting to see a poll on peoples reaction on 2019 and trust in future developments for their needs.
I'm done ranting. Eyes open for alternatives while using 2019 this year.

Its sad many of the 'old' faces will move to different software. The ones that showed already in the early days Sketchup was a valid alternative to big cad. Gratefull for all your helpfull responses on the forums, posts on impressive modelling you did with early Sketchup versions, creators of impressive plugins and helpers to people with Ruby problems.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby dedmin » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:54 am

These are big, heartless corporations! There is no passion anymore, no craftsmanship! The suits are not identified with their products - they see reports, budgets, expenses, balances! Look around You - under the hood everything is the same - just different label and logo! Traditions are gone, people are just employees from 8 to 5 PM, most even don't know the final product! The founders are gone - and with them the soul of the creators!
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby rv1974 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:26 am

Hmm.. What are conditions for AutoSave file creation?
I haven't seen v2019 creates one
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby juju » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:31 am

rv1974 wrote:Hmm.. What are conditions for AutoSave file creation?
I haven't seen v2019 creates one

I've seen the option to create backups and autosaves, you need to see if both boxes are ticked.

Generally autosaves will only happen if there was a change in the content of the file since the last save.
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Re: SketchUp 2019 release

Postby rv1974 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:40 am

Example.. I forced (via task manager) a file crash. On reopening v2019 asked whether I'd like to open an autosaved version which did preserved latest changes (similarly to PS). But untill now I haven't seen a single Autosave file in the project folder.
Maybe v19 creates them in Temp?
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