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Is 2017 make being poisoned?

Postby robint » Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:41 pm

Hi Sketchers, Ive been an enthusiastic hobby supporter since V 4 15 years ago?

Back then it was truly ground breaking in providing a simple GUI to model in 3D, ACAD was murder, 3Ds steep learning SU 1/2 hour

It gained massive support from amateur users who polished and improved for free the product with Ruby script, a good manual etc

So when Trimble took over it was in for some aggressive monetising and still is which worked against the amateur modeller (who made it great)
Somewhat reluctantly T provided 2017 Make free for amateurs but now over the last few weeks SU has started to crash and its now doing it almost every 5 mins. It seems to happen when I use the scaling tool or the dimension tool. I am using a simple small 2d model, no fancy curves rendering etc. I went through all the hoops and even reinstalled a fresh copy of 2017 Make. Checked my intel 4000 gpu It worked for a day then started crashing the same as before

Just cos im paranoid doesnt make me wrong

Has anyone else had this. I suspect this free version is being secretly crippled?

After 15 years why now

I had kept former versions such as v8 Google (cant import dxf) but went to v7 which can)

I really object to the subscription model £250 pa, a life licence £600

If your a professional then these fees are simply overheads but for a hobbyist, right out of order - and you dont get much more in the pro version

I hope v7 holds up ( I am on Win 8.1 and su 2017 has been fine for 3 years

These big corporate fat cats really know how to kill off what was a capable product

There are other 3d modellers out there and the push pull patent has run out so SU may get strangled

A similar thing happened to a video editing prog called Ulead. It was designed for the hobby handy cam users and was quick and easy to use (compared to Adobe Premier). Sony got hold of it and messed it up and it is no longer

Pls advise if you have had similar strange problems

I hope that sketchucation remains independant of big T. Notice how all the other forums are all tied to sketchup.com - really wants tocontrol the narrative

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Re: Is 2017 make being poisoned?

Postby Rich O Brien » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:36 pm

A 4/5 yr old app running on modern OS and hardware is potential for crashes.

Unless we see some type of LTS (Long Term Support) system for legacy builds you are bound to run into problems.
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Re: Is 2017 make being poisoned?

Postby Dave R » Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:14 pm

I would say that SketchUp 2017 Make is NOT being "poisoned" as you claim. Instead, like other old versions of software, it is not getting any support so no updates to compensate for changes in operating systems or other support applications. As Rich indicates, the operating systems continue to evolve and there may come a time when old programs won't run anymore. I can no longer run Anvil 2K on my Windows 10 machine although at least for now SketchUp 3.1 does run. I have no expecation that it will continue to run forever, though.

If you are really worried about SketchUp 2017 Make not working in the future, you should stop updating your computer so the operating system and graphics drivers don't change.

As a hobbyist you do have the option of using SketchUp Free which is supported with on-going development.

FWIW, integrated Intel GPUs have never been recommended for SketchUp.
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Re: Is 2017 make being poisoned?

Postby robint » Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:08 pm

FWIW I have been using Win 8.1 and have not changed my os or graphics. SU make 2017 had been working fine until a couple of weeks agao. only thing changed was i added a tool to convert skp to dxf as make doesnt allow this

perhaps i will uninstall this see if it makes any differentce.

i am back on SU v7 and it solid and reliable as before, Ive been on SY for 15 years, never had a problem like this :o
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Re: Is 2017 make being poisoned?

Postby Rich O Brien » Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:31 pm

15yrs of happiness with an app. Surely a good return on your investment. :-P
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Re: Is 2017 make being poisoned?

Postby robint » Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:27 pm

i had a lightbulb moment and decided to disable all my extension ive added over the years, vast majority I never use, but they do slow up the loading and phone home for up date and notification I dont need, the recent one skp to dxf converter may have been the issue but wont know as they are all off duty
so su make loaded up in half the time and so far as limited playing around with my original sketch ive had no trouble BUT its too early to say but before i was crashing every 5 mins

yes 15 years with SU as a hobbyist and ive never made a penny from my works just amateur fun
checking my floor plans laying out a kitchen and the like.

Remember there were thousands of souls out there to developing extensions for free such as TIG and Freddo etc and this is what made SU so unique not just a cash cow for some corporate monster

must have brought 3d geometry to millions of humble souls
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Re: Is 2017 make being poisoned?

Postby pbacot » Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:47 pm

I wonder. Do we know, is SketchUp really a cash cow? I suspect the opposite. Hope Trimble doesn't decide to give it up or pare down resources and jobs.
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Re: Is 2017 make being poisoned?

Postby Glenn at home » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:09 am

pbacot wrote:I wonder. Do we know, is SketchUp really a cash cow? I suspect the opposite.


I'd imagine that it's just a drop in the bucket. Trimble had their $$ and position LONG before buying SU.
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Re: Is 2017 make being poisoned?

Postby robint » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:21 am

doesnt stop the bean counters drilling down for extra profit and bonuses. Im not an architect so have fo idea about that market but that what SU was aimed at originally - but there are many other visualisers in that market
The SU did some special things with Ray tracing, meant you could simulate indoor lighting schemes - very clever, The there are commercial studios who make wonderful models of cars for example
I havent kept up with any of that stuff, but Im sure there's a loyal bunch of users still out there

Google offloaded it pretty quick, could have done well in terrain modelling but didnt follow through - I wonder if the military interfered - like they did with google earth

I hope it doesnt fall aside - but without new gripping features, say incorporating some of the best of the extensions

there's one springs to mind SB trilateration - that will accurately intersect 2 circles and 3 spheres with points in space. that solves those nasty intersect problems that wont snap.

Then theres Sketchy Physics the engine ceased development so you couldnt input real worlds values - how good would that be. you could make your model animated and collide

theres one extension can calculate forces in pin join structures

the list couldgo on

but I think the subscription model is a death wish - its dying
Usage model is the buzz, but investors dont like it cos they aint got the punters by the nuts

IMHO just keep going along with straight sales and regular updates SU is no threat and no other 3d cad has come near to SU, and dont be greedy - Adobe failed with its agressive approach, there are several photo shop competitors to their bloatware.
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Re: Is 2017 make being poisoned?

Postby Dave R » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:27 pm

robint wrote:Google offloaded it pretty quick, could have done well in terrain modelling but didnt follow through - I wonder if the military interfered - like they did with google earth


Google bought SketchUp from @Last for one main reason. To use it to populate Google Earth with 3D content. Google offered the free version for one reason: They expected those who used it to model 3D content for Google Earth. They were very open about it at the time. At 3D Basecamp the presented some stats about the number of users who opened it every week around the world and figured they could have all of the 3D buildings on the planet modeled within 5 years if the non-paying users would all contribute models of buildings in their areas.

As it turned out, not many of those people actually played along. Instead they model space ships, robots, cars, skateboard parks, furniture, etc. Between that and the development of LIDAR and other imaging technologies, Google decided they didn't need SketchUp anymore. It likely would have gone the way many [url=https://killedbygoogle.com/231 other Google programs[/url] and apps did.

The SketchUp development team was very small under Google it got smaller before Google finally sold it off. It doesn't take much looking to see that Trimble has much more interest in SketchUp than Google did. Google owned it for 5 years and put out three upgrades. Trimble has put out an update every year since they bought it in 2012. The size of the development team has grown, they've fixed legacy problems and made many improvements, added features, web-based versions which are operating system-agnostic, and added integration with other Trimble products.

I don't really blame them for discontinuing development of SketchUp Make. At least several time a week I see freeloaders who are using it for their commercial work violating the EULA either here or on the other SketchUp forum. If there's anyone to blame for no new Make versions, blame them.
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Re: Is 2017 make being poisoned?

Postby robint » Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:14 am

Ok thnx for the heads up, may the force be with you, btw this board doesnt seem to notify me when you post even though i set it to email me?

is there somewhere i can link to keep up to speed with SU
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Re: Is 2017 make being poisoned?

Postby pbacot » Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:48 am

You can try the Trimble website https://www.sketchup.com/ to keep up to speed. Release notes etc. And you can see what people are talking about at https://forums.sketchup.com/ (besides here).
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Re: Is 2017 make being poisoned?

Postby robint » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:30 pm

Progress - maybe?

Other people have complained on this board about crashes when resizing etc. One soul noted that Firefox has issues with Open gl

you need to go into about:com and search for Webgl disabled and switch it enable

Also Firefox needs hardware acceleration turned on - its off default

google for instructions

Also I changed to Chrome browser and the problems stopped

so maybe this might help someone

so far fingers crossed

BTW terrible reviews of SU free and SU WEB/cloud

Is T trying to destroy the product, so many angry users out there :o

I followed your link to the forum and blow me, there is no category for su2017 make (or any of free, web)

this makes me suspicious that this is a bigT controlled forum here.
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Re: Is 2017 make being poisoned?

Postby pbacot » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:44 pm

If you are speaking of the SketchUp Community forum, there aren't categories for specific versions. You can always post in the main SketchUp area, or search for 2017.

True Trimble has little reason to provide 2017 for free, yet for the moment they do. I doubt they are "trying" to destroy anything. All they have to do is remove it from downloads, if they want.

Yes a lot of people wish SketchUp were better, that has always been the case.

Trimble is supporting the "SketchUp Community" forum and some of the moderators are SketchUp employees, I believe. It works pretty well for solving issues and helping people with modeling. I've checked in there regularly and I think the moderation is fair. Many people who we know, from years of activity on this forum, also post there regularly, helping others and sharing ideas. I prefer to see the bright side of what's offered and not worry. "Sometimes I still do" complain.
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Re: Is 2017 make being poisoned?

Postby Box » Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:26 am

Obviously Big T is using our hard earned subscription money to finance the baby eating mostly lesbian satanists that are at the heart of sketchup.
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Re: Is 2017 make being poisoned?

Postby skalynuik » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:03 pm

I am using Windows 11 and no trouble using SketchUp Make 2017 what so ever, even just yesterday I was using SketchUp straight for 7 hours with only a mother nature break and getting coffee, never a problem.
The finished model I was working on was only:
Materials: 10
Polygons: 30,208
File Size: 6MB
But that was after running CleanUp3, so even more polygons.
But my laptop is only 3 years old, so maybe more stable in Windows 11, and compatibility with SketchUp Make 2017 may be better.
SO I have no idea why its happening to you, sorry.

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