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SU 2019.2 released

Postby juju » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:06 am

So Trimble released SketchUp 2019.2 yesterday. Download link here. This will be the second maintenance release since SU 2019 was released, was it in February 2019? Much better going than the SU 2018 cycle guys, thanks!

I've had a look at the release information (by Trimble/SketchUp) as well as MasterSketchup's video overview. Even though these aren't really what I would have liked to see addressed it does seem to show some effort / investment on the Trimble / SketchUp team's end, for which I am thankful.

Exactly how the C++ integration removal from the SketchUp API effects the program and extensions remains to be seen at this early stage. If it helps to speed things up, great. If it really has no performance benefits then I hope the extension developers that leveraged this, and we know there are some, will be able to adapt and recompile soonest to ensure their extensions are compatible again.

What are your thoughts here? Drop me a line below, I like to have that SketchUp conversation with you (here's to you Justin, I couldn't help myself after watching so many of your videos over the years).
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby sketch3d.de » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:53 am

incompatible extensions currently known:
• Thea Render
• Podium Renderer (update available)

SketchUp Help Center: SU 2019.M1 Installers
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby tomasz » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:01 pm

I am working on 19.2 support, but it will take some time. I hope to get a bit shorter export times with the new SU SDK.
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby Derek Edison » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:50 pm

And so it begins for classic license holders...

"Large Area Imports for Add Location. Lucky news for you subscription holders! This new feature is only available for SketchUp Pro and Studio subscribers."

Here's the AutoDesk/ Adobe playbook if you forgot. We're now on step 6.

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1. Decide to push your customer base to a subscription model to increase and guarantee revenue.
2. Bundle your "flagship" product with other low selling or low cost apps/ services to increase perceived value.
3. Price your new subscription offering at half the perpetual license cost to offer easy entry but higher returning revenues past 3-4 years ownership vs. perpetual licensing.
4. Convert software development to a rolling release model. No need for major updates unless there is a disruptive competitor in the market.
5. Market your perpetual license customers to get them to switch over to subscription with "special one-time" offers to convert.
6. Make owning perpetual licenses progressively more expensive/difficult and keep any substantial new features as subscription only. Do not reveal any future plans for perpetual licenses. Rely on FUD to move them over.
7. After about two years or so cancel perpetual licenses to force the remaining hold-outs to subscription. Grandfather special subscription rates on on former perpetual licenses and then increase costs until there is no difference anymore.

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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby kaas » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:17 pm

juju wrote:So Trimble released SketchUp 2019.2[/url] yesterday....What are your thoughts here?.


Not much to talk about R2 for me.
- A few icons were added to the large tool set that I really don't want there. Its not like I will be pressing those functions 20 times a day so why put them on that toolbar?!? They were fine just in the menus. Or at least make it a custom toolbar you can get rid of.
- Also, the code of the large tool set was 'changed' for adding these icons but... you still can't add two custom icons yourself next to each other on that large toolset or you will get 3 columns (2 icons with a large space in between).
- New isometric dimensions were added to layout. Fine for those who use them but.. I prefer to add all my dimensions in SketchUp and - depending on the position of a scene on the LayOut sheet - the dimensions are still cut / split / partly invisible.

I can go on but...maybe in R3
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby kaas » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:27 pm

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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby kaas » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:27 pm

Derek Edison wrote:And so it begins for classic license holders...
"Lucky news for you subscription holders! This new feature is only available for SketchUp Pro and Studio subscribers."


I missed that one. :thumbd:
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby Pixero » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:30 pm

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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby Box » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:33 pm

kaas wrote:
- A few icons were added to the large tool set that I really don't want there. Its not like I will be pressing those functions 20 times a day so why put them on that toolbar?!? They were fine just in the menus. Or at least make it a custom toolbar you can get rid of.

If you don't want them just drag them off. If you want them back reset the toolbar.
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby kaas » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:37 pm

Box wrote:If you don't want them just drag them off. If you want them back reset the toolbar.
How you do that? I can drag off custom icons but the native icons on the large tool set are fixed.
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby Box » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:53 pm

Works fine for me.
You may need to click the image to make it animate.
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby kaas » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:04 pm

Box wrote:Works fine for me

I didn't know I had to open the toolbars menu to be able to remove the icons. Thanks a lot Box.
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby Box » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:07 pm

You have to do that whenever you make custom toolbars with the native tools.
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby HornOxx » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:21 pm

kaas wrote:...I didn't know I had to open the toolbars menu to be able to remove the icons. Thanks a lot Box.
... Yes, Thanks a lot Box! I also didn't know how to do that so far :o - Box, could you please do me the favor to show me/us how to edit a new own toolbar or can I change already existing toolbars this way only?
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby Box » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:45 pm

Getting a bit off topic, but you just use the new button and make a new toolbar, then use ctrl with drag to drag tools to it from any other native toolbar.
If you search Custom Toolbar on my facebook page you'll find a gif for it.
Here's one I did 5 years back.
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=59701&hilit=+toolbar#p543863
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby pbacot » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:20 pm

Is the add location data any better, or is it just more of the lower quality material that you can download? Haven't been using it.

The drag and drop import--at last! (I never understood the purpose of that import dialog in the first place).

Isometric dimensions in LO. Now to add isometrics to my documents! (Probably not.)

Someone uses the large toolset?

Some nice progress, I think--for midterm add-ons, though I wonder what developers make of it. Probably won't upgrade until it's clear it won't mess up things.
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby JustinTSE » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:59 pm

This is my question as well (I'm on a classic license, so I couldn't test).

If it's higher quality location data that's coming from a different provider, it might have a cost associated with it for access to the data, which might be why it's subscription user only...

I'm sure someone on subscription will be able to test it and let us know

pbacot wrote:Is the add location data any better, or is it just more of the lower quality material that you can download? Haven't been using it.

The drag and drop import--at last! (I never understood the purpose of that import dialog in the first place).

Isometric dimensions in LO. Now to add isometrics to my documents! (Probably not.)

Someone uses the large toolset?

Some nice progress, I think--for midterm add-ons, though I wonder what developers make of it. Probably won't upgrade until it's clear it won't mess up things.
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby JustinTSE » Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:35 pm

Yep - licensing costs are why that's a subscription only feature

https://forums.sketchup.com/t/announcing-new-features-to-sketchup-2019-and-layout/99189/18
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby Pixero » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:11 pm

Pixero wrote:I have added a comment here: https://blog.sketchup.com/article/weve- ... -new-20192


Hmmm, have they removed my comment or what?
Now it says theres 1 comment and that is not mine.
I can still see it under my profile but not in the blog post discussion.
Could anyone confirm if they can see my comment or not?
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby Pixero » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:11 pm

This is what my post was like:

About this statement:
"Large Area Imports for Add Location. Lucky news for you subscription holders! This new feature is only available for SketchUp Pro and Studio subscribers."

I got this response earlier from Mark in the SketchUp team. Was he lying? I really don't like the way you are trying to force us to subcribe.

"There will continue to be updates to our desktop software SketchUp Pro for both perpetual license holder and subscribers. Having access to Maintenance & Support for a perpetual license gives you access to any updates we release (for SketchUp Pro, LayOut, and Style Builder) during the term of your Maintenance."
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby db11 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:34 pm

Pixero wrote:This is what my post was like:
I really don't like the way you are trying to force us to subscribe.


Totally concur.
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby kaas » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:20 pm

Pixero wrote:Could anyone confirm if they can see my comment or not?

Your remark is gone. The one comments thats there is not yours and only has 'show' in it.
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby pbacot » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:04 pm

Pixero wrote:This is what my post was like:



I got this response earlier from Mark in the SketchUp team. Was he lying? I really don't like the way you are trying to force us to subcribe.

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Yeah, I admit I was a little miffed about this today too, not that I feel we are missing out on anything in particular.
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby srx » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:59 am

Pixero wrote:
Pixero wrote:I have added a comment here: https://blog.sketchup.com/article/weve- ... -new-20192


Hmmm, have they removed my comment or what?
Now it says theres 1 comment and that is not mine.
I can still see it under my profile but not in the blog post discussion.
Could anyone confirm if they can see my comment or not?


Yes they removed it. And my vote too...
Corporate logic.
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby numerobis » Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:46 am

Large Area Imports for Add Location. ... Note that this feature is only available to SketchUp Pro and Studio subscription holders.


LOL...

I mean, i couldn't care less, because i don't have an active subscription anyway at the moment, but i think, this is just the beginning...
(where btw. the active subscription needed for "add location" was the first step... there was a time when this wasn't needed to use aerial photos in SU...)
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby numerobis » Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:51 am

Pixero wrote:any updates we release ... Was he lying?

Any updates they release for the classic license... maybe not lying, but concealing that the feature sets will be different...
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby Pixero » Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:52 pm

I posted a slightly modified post. Now let's see if they will remove that one too.
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby Derek Edison » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:29 pm

JustinTSE wrote:Yep - licensing costs are why that's a subscription only feature

https://forums.sketchup.com/t/announcing-new-features-to-sketchup-2019-and-layout/99189/18


I think the jury is still out on this one. In theory I could still import as much data as I want with the tool as is. It's just painful to do it. If I were a talented developer I might even be able to code a tool that tiles things in automagically.

I'm curious to know what this actually does. Can anyone under subscription test this feature out and answer some questions for those of us with classic licenses?

Is the imagery better or is it just more grainy Digital Globe stuff? Does it stitch all the photography together or tile it? What does it do with the terrain? Is that stitched together or does it come in tiled as separate groups? Are the edges matched?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby ntxdave » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:54 pm

Probably a dumb question but when I check for an update in SketchUp (I am running Pro with a Classic license) it says I am up to date but I still have 19.1.17. Why does it I am up to date?

I also have not received any emails about the new release.

BTW: I just checked my email and I received the email about the updated license last year on July 16. Have not received anything this year.

If I download this version, does it require a license update if I try to install it?
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Re: SU 2019.2 released

Postby Derek Edison » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:36 pm

ntxdave wrote:Probably a dumb question but when I check for an update in SketchUp (I am running Pro with a Classic license) it says I am up to date but I still have 19.1.17. Why does it I am up to date?

I also have not received any emails about the new release.

BTW: I just checked my email and I received the email about the updated license last year on July 16. Have not received anything this year.

If I download this version, does it require a license update if I try to install it?


I haven't seen the in-app check work since version 2017. 2018 still reports it's the current version.
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