Layout - Batt Insulation Pattern

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Layout - Batt Insulation Pattern

Postby akcrosby » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:31 pm

It seems like there should be a Batt Insulation Texture in Layout. This is such a basic requirement for architectural drawings. I notice that there is a "rigid insulation" pattern among the other materials but no "batt insulation". Am I missing something?
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Re: Layout - Batt Insulation Pattern

Postby Dave R » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:11 am

There's probably a whole lot of different pattern fills that various users would want. It's no problem to make your own using PNGs with transparent backgrounds. You can make the ones you want without having a bunch you don't.

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Re: Layout - Batt Insulation Pattern

Postby kimi kimi » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:49 pm

I can make a bunch of things myself, but that doesn't mean I should. And I really don't understand this forum, everyone is so defensive of SketchUp and Trimble, when the development team is pure garbage. I repeat, they are PURE GARBAGE! Ban me if you want, but that's the truth. Chaos Group makes so much progress every year with V-Ray, Lumion makes huge steps with every release, many volunteers create nice plugins, and Trimble can't even make a freaking batting pattern, that's like architecture graphics essentials. If these guys here didn't roll out plugins, there would be no SketchUp. Nothing against you Dave, but I do have a lot against the general sentiment that this is all OK.
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Re: Layout - Batt Insulation Pattern

Postby Dave R » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:59 pm

Why do you still use SketchUp and LayOut if they are so awful? I can't understand why people who have nothing but bad to say about any product continue to use them. If I felt they were as bad as you make them out to be, I sure wouldn't be using them. I think there are plenty of opportunities for improvement but both SketchUp and LayOut are more than suitable for my needs. Insulting the development team as you have is way off base and you know it. You are out of line with that comment.
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Re: Layout - Batt Insulation Pattern

Postby kimi kimi » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:10 pm

I said SketchUp DEVELOPMENT TEAM is pure garbage. So, I insulted a few people who don't know what they're doing, are not interested in improving their product, or care only about the money and not about the users or product itself. I don't know how the company is organized, who runs the show, where is the problem, but either someone is not paid enough to do their job properly, or there is not enough people, or, what I suspect is most likely, there is some fat executive that sees sales numbers still going and thinks no need to spend money there. SketchUp itself is not awful, but not because of SKETCHUP DEVELOPMENT TEAM, but because of outsiders who create plugins and give that stuff away for free, I'm very very thankful to them and to the community outside Trimble. I'm also grateful to companies and individuals who sell their plugins, I bought dozens of great ones. That mentality, never complain, that doesn't work with me. If there is a problem, I need to say it. And people have been saying it, I'm on this forum long enough, but it's to deaf ears obviously.
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Re: Layout - Batt Insulation Pattern

Postby Rich O Brien » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:44 pm

OK, lets diffuse this discussion a tad.

Not liking an app is totally ok. But singling out nice people and suggesting they are inept is not a good argument.

Remember that some of the developers are good friends with members here. No one likes to see a friend get sh!t on. Especially when those friends played a pivotal role in the plugin ecosystems for many years.

I get it. You don't like LayOut at the moment. But when they finally get round to exposing the API fully that paves the way for extensions to build out that platform.

Imagine the possibilities when that occurs. You then have the ability to learn ruby or C+ and cater LayOut to your needs. Maybe even monetize your scripts to earn additional cash flow by sharing your creations.

I hear your frustrations. I have my own regards the SDK but if I sh!t on the Dev team rather than helping them identify areas that need fixing I would have got nowhere developing WrapR.

Also, you can't be banned for saying the stuff you're saying. It's just not the best way to frame your argument. You've some really good contributions here I hope that continues.
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Re: Layout - Batt Insulation Pattern

Postby db11 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:57 pm

Very well stated Rich.

I too share frustrations with the current state of SU (and especially LO) — the performance issues / long-term bugs / missing features and the painfully slow pace of front-facing advancements from version-to-version.

However, I'm also aware of how much work has gone into re-writing the back-end / graphics pipeline / API / developer tools and am willing to wait at least one more release cycle to see the fruits of these efforts before casting judgement on the efficacy / focus of development efforts.

If I were leading the SU dev team I would be concerned that competitors are catching up faster on SU's ease-of-use than SU is in advancing AEC / BIM workflow support (amongst other missing capabilities) and associated functionalities.

But there's a lot of awfully smart people on that team, so you have to assume they understand their own priorities — and it is likely that the foundational work required to bring SU into the modern era has precluded the most-frequent user-requested changes from being implemented until that work was complete. Hopefully we're pretty much at that point now, and we'll start seeing a pace of positive evolution that pleases everybody.

When you strip away the emotional content from these types of posts, what remains is that most users love SU, prefer to keep using it, and simply need it to get better in supporting their (professional) workflow. That's all I'm looking for.

(I should note that I agree that impugning intent and/or personal attacks are unhelpful in the extreme)
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