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Sending To Layout

Postby Joe Wood » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:41 pm

I'm trying to learn layout fast! Need to get some dwgs created!

I've been reading up on it some but I can't understand the online videos because of my hearing ..

I have my Scene all set up and changed all the Rafters from 3d to 2d so the bevel cuts don't interfere with measuring, put Units at Architectural to a 1/16, and hid all the Dimensions

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In Layout I go to My Templates and choose Blank. I see the Scene there but it's only a part of the whole Scene. I see where to change the paper size but not the Scene's size? So how do I get that full sized on the paper?

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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Dave R » Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:46 am

Select the viewport with a single click and drag the edges. Hold Alt while dragging to resize about the center. You can set the desired scale in the SketchUp Model inspector window in the tray on the right side of the screen. You might want to do that before dragging the edges of the viewport. Make sure you have selected the scene you created in SU, too.
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Joe Wood » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:36 pm

Yeah that works Dave!

about the scale- I need to export this Scene as a full sized dwg, but when I select 'Full Sized' scale, the Scene disappears. Right now the scale is 1:12.2959 and the Scene is in the Viewport, what scale should I use?

Do the units in LO need to be set to cm if that's how my client will be measuring? I just changed that but the on screen dimensions are still in Imperial?

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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby pbacot » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:58 pm

Joe Wood wrote:Yeah that works Dave!

about the scale- I need to export this Scene as a full sized dwg, but when I select 'Full Sized' scale, the Scene disappears. Right now the scale is 1:12.2959 and the Scene is in the Viewport, what scale should I use?

Do the units in LO need to be set to cm if that's how my client will be measuring? I just changed that but the on screen dimensions are still in Imperial?

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Not sure what you are doing to get that result, Joe. But maybe this will help a little. Did you look at the option under Export --DWG/DXF? See attached screen shot


As for the scale of the viewport, I'd look for the standard metric scale that would work for the paper size. Admittedly this choice will be moot for the dwg where it is created 1:1 but it seems like a good practice. IDK what the appropriate metric scale would be in common practice. Layout itself is a "paper space" document, that is all the drawings have a scale. It may be an undefined scale, or the scale of the drawing changes with the size of the viewport, or a perspective, but it is never really 1:1 "model space" as in SketchUP. Still you can export a dwg which IS 1:1.
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Joe Wood » Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:33 pm

No PB, I'm having a problem exporting a dwg at the correct scale or something
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=68904

that's why I'm trying Layout for the first time, to see if I can export a dwg my client can read accurately.

I have this Rafter Details Scene as well as some Elevations, top view Etc Scenes I need to create dwgs for hopefully in Layout.
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby pbacot » Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:48 pm

I was just responding to your last post.

1. export 1:1 to DWG
2. What scale should the viewport be.

but it seems my third response didn't get posted.
3. How can the dimensions display in LO as cm.

If created in SU they need to be set to cm in SU.
If dims are created in LO select the dimensions and change in the "Dimension" window to "cm".
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Joe Wood » Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:08 am

yeah in SUp it was set to cm, I'm just trying to get an accurate dwg my customer can measure in CM.

in the SUp Scene I sent to LO, I hid the dimensions, planning to re dimension in LO.

I guess I need to know what scale to set in LO to end up with a full scale dwg, but I'm really getting confused now.
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby pbacot » Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:52 am

Try this: Set the scale in the viewport to something reasonable for paper 1:10. Export to "Model Space"dwg, using the export "Options" window. Under Model space set the scale to 1:10. I can check the dwg on my end if you want.
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Joe Wood » Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:14 am

OK set it to 1" = 10'

1-export.png



here are the Export Options, how does this dwg look??

EDIT Darn the dwg file is empty ..
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby pbacot » Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:56 am

You should try setting the viewport to "Vector" instead of Raster in the "SketchUp Model" window of LO. Only Vector or Hybrid settings actually contain the vector information that LO uses to create the dwg.
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Joe Wood » Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:36 am

OK this one measures correctly, but then the other one did too but gave my client the wrong dimensions. I appreciate you working with me on this PB, esp on Xmas weekend :-)
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby pbacot » Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:33 am

The last one definitely comes in to scale when I open the dwg. Except the top rafter is off slightly--and I remember it being exact on an earlier translation. I get 301.93. So it looks like you found the scaling process that works!
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Charlie__V » Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:56 pm

pbacot wrote:The last one definitely comes in to scale when I open the dwg. Except the top rafter is off slightly--and I remember it being exact on an earlier translation. I get 301.93. So it looks like you found the scaling process that works!


I saw in Joe’s image above the SKP viewport in LO is set to 1” = 1’-0”(1:12)
Though on export the scale for Model space was set to 1/16” = 1’ (1:192)

Perhaps this accounts for the remaining discrepancy?


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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Joe Wood » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:57 pm

Yeah I corrected that top rafter just a tiny bit, thanks again for hanging with me thru this!

I probably need to match the two scales up though?

'I saw in Joe’s image above the SKP viewport in LO is set to 1” = 1’-0”(1:12)
Though on export the scale for Model space was set to 1/16” = 1’ (1:192)'

can someone tell me how to put the units at cm so I can add dimensions? I go to File > Document Setup and change it there but it doesn't stick?
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Joe Wood » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:25 pm

OK matched the two scale up :-)

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but how to change the dimension units??
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Charlie__V » Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:53 pm

Joe Wood wrote:OK matched the two scale up :-)

1 Untitled.png


but how to change the dimension units??


Joe,
It might be easier for all of us to help if you posted a simple file like in the image attached.(simple rectangle with imperial and metric dims)

Once the exporting to scale of a single entity is sorted out, you should be able to follow the same procedure with the project you are working on now.

Merely a suggestion.

As to setting/changing the dimension units, I'm not sure you need to change the units for the file, just the settings in the "Tray". Just make sure you have the dimension tool selected to do so.

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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Joe Wood » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:23 pm

OK found the dimensions in the tray, but when I changed it to cm, all the dimensions are wrong? The SUp model was set to the same cm scale.

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here's the skp file!
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Charlie__V » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:10 pm

Joe Wood wrote:OK found the dimensions in the tray, but when I changed it to cm, all the dimensions are wrong? The SUp model was set to the same cm scale.

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here's the skp file!


Joe,
I get 301.93cm for the over all rafter length in both Sketchup Model and Layout file.
please see attached.
France 2b_LO_V15.layout



PS....in my above simple example the SU model units are in fractional inches and LO model viewport scale @ 1" = 1'-0" [1:12]........I used LO dimensions to illustrate you could leave your native model set to imperial, yet still document & dimension an imperial model to metric (cm/other) in LO. (Rt. click LO viewport..open w/Sketchup to view SU model)
Scale_Test_SUImperial_to_LOMetric_V15.layout


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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Joe Wood » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:59 pm

I'm not completely getting all of this but seems like I'm close :-)

but why are these dimensions off?
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Charlie__V » Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:50 pm

Joe Wood wrote:I'm not completely getting all of this but seems like I'm close :-)

but why are these dimensions off?

Joe,
Maybe I am not following still?

In the attached model I have set the LO file to imperial and set all viewports to 1"=1'-0" (1:12)(regardless of SU model units)
So, your original SU model in LO appears fist.

I extracted one rafter and dimensioned it in SU after setting model units in SU to Metric.

I then saved this same model and changed the SU model units to Imperial.

Inserted both of these models below your original model in LO

You can now see a representation of both Metric and Imperial (both dimensioned in SU) within the attached LO file.
1 rafters_Imp_Metric_LOFile_Units_Imp_V15.layout


Note: always make sure "preserve scale on resize" box is ticked in the SU model palate.

Hope this all makes sense.

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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Joe Wood » Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:32 pm

I dimensioned this before sending to layout, it measures accurately with PCon but then another I did also measured correctly, but not to my client.

how does this one look and measure?
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Joe Wood » Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:46 pm

The next Scene I'm trying is much larger and the 1" = 1' scale doesn't work at all.

this is the scene
1scale.png


how do I figure out which scale to use? None seem to fit the viewport.

1/4 = 1" was the only one that fit it to inside the viewport but the scale was way off ..
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Charlie__V » Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:18 pm

Joe Wood wrote:The next Scene I'm trying is much larger and the 1" = 1' scale doesn't work at all.

how do I figure out which scale to use? None seem to fit the viewport.


Joe,
Assuming this is all still in the context of the Metric (French client) I would set the LO page size to Metric, all the LO SU viewport scaling to Metric, and of course LO dimensions in Metric.

(you should not have to worry about the Sketchup model being metric, unless you will show dimensioning "in" the SU model in the LO viewport)

You will have to increase the paper size to accommodate lager parts of your model.(and larger viewports based on scale(s) selected)

In the attached file I have set the file units/page/dimensions/viewport scaling to metric.
(please see note in box bottom right corner of page)
JoeWood_C3Paper_Metric_Cm_Scale_1_10_LO_V15.layout


Here is another page size "C2" with viewport scales of 1mm = 10mm(1:10) & 1mm = 20mm(1:20)
JoeWood_C2Paper_Metric_Cm_Scale_1_10_20_LO_V15.layout


Charlie
Note;
Most of my work is US/Architectural/Imperial and mostly ¼" scale and almost always page size of Arch D 24"x36"

Maybe our friends in and around France can recommend "typical" sheet size and scaling for a project like your so you can potentially save yourself from having to resize/scale all of you pages.(if not "standard" in france)
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Joe Wood » Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:42 pm

Thanks again Charlie, I'll try it again,

you know, I'm not trying to get a specific scale on paper, all I need is for my French client to be able to get accurate dimensions off of the dwg file.

so is this dwg I posted ealier, accurate now?
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Charlie__V » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:32 pm

Joe Wood wrote:Thanks again Charlie, I'll try it again,

you know, I'm not trying to get a specific scale on paper, all I need is for my French client to be able to get accurate dimensions off of the dwg file.

so is this dwg I posted ealier, accurate now?


In the cad software I am using it is, but you may want others to further verify.
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Joe Wood » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:25 pm

OK, let's hope that last one is correct! I used 1" = 1'.

My next Scene is covers more area then the last, with a page size of roughly 850 x 530 cm. I Temp drew in those dimensions here
1 Next One.png


how do I go about figuring the page size and scale for this one? Remember I just want an accurate dwg file to measure and not an accurate scale printed drawing.
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Charlie__V » Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:09 pm

Joe Wood wrote:OK, let's hope that last one is correct! I used 1" = 1'.

My next Scene is covers more area then the last, with a page size of roughly 850 x 530 cm. I Temp drew in those dimensions here
1 Next One.png


how do I go about figuring the page size and scale for this one? Remember I just want an accurate dwg file to measure and not an accurate scale printed drawing.


Joe,
I was trying to steer you into setting up a scaled set of documents for a number of reasons, but mainly as a way to for you to convey the information from your original drawings/model as you intended.

Having a dimensioned .pdf file for the client and you to refer to for example helps you from having to answer for any(client)mistakes unintended or otherwise while manipulating the .dwg you have provided.

That said, It appears you want to still try to export to 1:1 and there is a limitation as to sheet size in LO 508cm x 508cm I believe (200"x200" Imperial...LO Version 2018...maybe same in LO V2015?)
JoeWood_Page_508cmx508cm_LO_V15.layout


That limitation will not allow for 1:1 scale, so as I suggested earlier it would be best to pick a Metric scale and a sheet size you can live with....even though you are not interested in printing the pages.

Best regards,
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Re: Sending To Layout

Postby Joe Wood » Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:14 am

I'm sorry Folks, especially Charlie, but I'm just not getting this. Al I want to do with about 6 diff scenes is export a dwg that's to correct scale for my client.

Been working all day on this and no closer.

I wish we could just figure out why I can't export correct scale dwgs right from SUp ..
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