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New project, Advise on layout

Postby caronte01 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:26 pm

Hey all!

I have a new project, a house. I have produced all the documents for client approval so far, using sketchup and layout. But now, it´s time to document. I have a choice of using archicad, or continue using sketchup/layout to finalize this project. Archicad would be the traditional route, and it is very good as far as documenting goes, but modelling anything not standard is a road full of workarounds and barriers. Sketchup certainly beats layout in ease of modeling and power (imo), but layout, though good, has it´s limitations. I´m esp. concerned with exporting drawings so that all the others involved can use.

I would be ok with creating non typical documentation (using 3d graphics, etc)

If you had a similar project, would you try and tackle it with sketchup/layout? Any good samples (i´ve seen greg lavardera´s work)?

Cheers and thanks!

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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby srx » Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:46 am

I like it. :thumb:
For final documenting I use AutoCad with input from Sketchup as reference...for now. I find Layout hard to work with...maybe becouse of long experience with AutoCad. Formthe small scale projects like this maybe U could try. I would be interested in your results :)
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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby bmike » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:45 pm

Those are nice drawings! I love the soft style you are using.


Some great samples and discussion here:
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And some of my work:
viewtopic.php?f=81&t=38462


Currently working this project into construction documents:

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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby caronte01 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:26 pm

Hi Saurus, yes, that´s what i´ve been doing for other projects, but usually end up with an out of date model, elevations not matching floor plans etc.... Sketchup is not bim, but i would like to get the advantage of having coordinated plans, sections and elevations without the hassle of going back and forth, and redrawing.

Mike, your drawings are beautiful, and the projects you work on are very cool. I´ll certainly save a copy of those for inspiration. Do you exchange .dwg with consultants? Or do you send them pdf´s? Any tips?

I´ve used layout for details, but not yet for an entire project. I´m leaning more on the side of sketchup. I have a couple of weeks to think about this, and will let you know. I´ll try and keep you updated.

Cheers, and a merry Christmas to all!
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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby pbacot » Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:35 pm

I´ve used layout for details, but not yet for an entire project. I´m leaning more on the side of sketchup.


What do you mean? Are you leaning towards using SU rather than LO or...?

You're brave to consider using an untried workflow for a paid project. Look forward to seeing what you come up with.

These sheets so far LOOK GREAT! (Only I would not use the fat cut-out guys.)

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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby sonder » Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:44 pm

I am doing this same thing right now with three home projects. I really like it compared to utilizing sketchup only for design. It certainly eliminates the potential for errors between the formats. I have found that limiting layout files to single pages really increase the speed drastically.
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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby caronte01 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:26 am

Not a lot of progress so far. For now, I´m testing dwg exports from layout. I don´t need them to be perfect, but I do need to have readable files so that external consultants have something to work from. One thing i found is that text export is not perfect as far as formatting goes, so a couple of workarounds have to be used so that dwg output resembles the original pdf/lo file:

- text exported to dwg will always become an mtext, top left justified. The origin of this text is set to the left upper corner of the text box in layout. So, in layout, try and make the text box as small as possible, to avoid having the text in the wrong place.
- Text background colors are not exported. An additional box needs to be used to achieve the same effect.
- Borderless boxes and shapes in layout export as hatches with borders. The workaround is to set the outline the same color as the fill and use the thinnest profile possible.

This so far. Will keep you updated.
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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby thomaselsmore » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:08 am

caronte01 those plans are really impressive! Amazing work! What style are you using?
Kind regards,
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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby caronte01 » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:24 pm

Hi Tom,

Thanks!

here you go...

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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby caronte01 » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:28 pm

Hi Sonder. I really like those elevations! How are you achieving the fog effect? Section planes?
Are you using hybrid or raster for sketchup views?

Thanks for sharing
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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby sonder » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:11 pm

caronte01 wrote:Hi Sonder. I really like those elevations! How are you achieving the fog effect? Section planes?
Are you using hybrid or raster for sketchup views?

Thanks for sharing


The fog is in sketchup saved settings specific to the scene. I use raster rendering, edit quality low, export quality high.
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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby thomaselsmore » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:11 am

caronte01 wrote:Hi Tom,

Thanks!

here you go...

PRESENTACION.style


Thank you very much for the style! Keep posting up your work as it is inspiring!

Kind regards,

Tom
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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby Richard » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:04 am

caronte01 - stunning use of Layout there mate!! VERY well done!
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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby caronte01 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:13 pm

Thanks Richard!

Here's some of the components used for furniture. I like them because they are very simple graphically.
BLOQUES.skp


Cheers

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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby caronte01 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:18 pm

Quick update.

I´ve sent dwg´s to consultants already. They were not the prettiest dwg´s I´ve seen, but they worked.

So far, layout has done it´s job perfectly well. That does not mean i´d like to see some improvements.

Floorplans:

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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby caronte01 » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:44 pm

Elevations and sections:

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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby sonder » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:55 pm

Looking beautiful Pablo! Very nice work.
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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby pbacot » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:23 am

Bellissimo! Go SU + LO! Peter
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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby Richard » Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:24 am

Mate these plans are stunning! Really GREAT WORK! :berserk:

Mate the only thing that I wonder and would love to see a version of - without so much background! There is a relevant graphic term - "make white space your friend!".
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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby caronte01 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:55 pm

Thanks guys! I´m now starting details, after that i will return to the main model and update/reference all the changes made.

Richard, I removed the sky from sections and elevations. I like them!

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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby Richard » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:32 pm

caronte01 wrote:Richard, I removed the sky from sections and elevations. I like them!


Yeah me too mate - just cleaner! And more ESD - less ink! ;) We have to be mindful of contractors writing notes on the plan, often some printers add such gloss to printed areas that the surface doesn't take a pen well. Looks like you still have a background.

Hey you checked tones in greyscale as this is always 99% of printing throughout the job!
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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby caronte01 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:09 am

Richard wrote:
caronte01 wrote:Hey you checked tones in greyscale as this is always 99% of printing throughout the job!


I did print some elevations in greyscale, to see how they looked. I had to increase contrast a bit. In color, they appeared ok, in bw they looked a bit washed out. Also, elevations looked great with shadows on; sections, I turned them off.
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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby sonder » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:38 pm

caronte01 wrote:
Richard wrote:
caronte01 wrote:Hey you checked tones in greyscale as this is always 99% of printing throughout the job!


I did print some elevations in greyscale, to see how they looked. I had to increase contrast a bit. In color, they appeared ok, in bw they looked a bit washed out. Also, elevations looked great with shadows on; sections, I turned them off.


For BW increase brightness along with contrast at the printer level. I only print my color sets for the permit sets, 1 for the owner and 1 for the contractor. The rest are all BW and look really good with both fog and shadows on. Thankfully my printer has it down now, so I just send over the files and order at will. They are really good at making adjustments and testing before final printing.
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Re: New project, Advise on layout

Postby Richard » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:52 pm

Sonder wrote: Thankfully my printer has it down now, so I just send over the files and order at will. They are really good at making adjustments and testing before final printing.


Look after that one mate! My printer hands me stuff with huge lines across it smiles and hands me the bill!
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