@Aartrace1
If your contours and building outline are separate references as you initially stated then why not create a closed polyline with a white fill that is layered (sandwiched) between the contour reference and the building outline reference -- this to mask the contour lines below. If these items are all on the same layer then use the arrange to bring each object (front/back) in the correct sequence. Or you could place each on separate layers to achieve the same with the correct hierarchy. By just masking the contours you won't have to split each line.

@TIG Thanks for your collective wisdom folks, your efforts are appreciated.

@Dave-R Yes, I avoid modifying the camera in LO. At least I have a better understanding of this glitch now and can compensate for it. I also need to be more concise with my models and make better use of tags and visibility. I'm also fortunate enough to have Studio here with the massive power of Vray 6, which is a great incentive to be more organised with it's render layer capabilities.

yes, the reference-to needs the target drawing# and page identifier (name or #) to be entered manually. i usually create one first then copy and edit as needed. the target page, you have options for auto-numbering

I have the same work flow for years and never have an issue, sketchup files, excel, layout files all in a local onedrive folder. No corruptions but I do have to close excel to update the data in layout and have gotten used to working that way. My guess, as I'm no IT guy, is how onedrive handle excels autosave feature where everything you do is saved immediately meaning the file is always being held by onedrive and layout doesn't like it. I've always wondered if turning autosave off would fix it. Or, because the feature exists, means layout can't never get full access to the data (because onedrive and excel are always connected) thus it's a Microsoft problem, not a layout problem. and potentially why most people are scared of corruption.

Look at this set of links in the SketchUp forum. I think you should find the answer you need there.

@dave r said:

OK. I think you already know this but I'll put it out there. SketchUp is not designed as a 2D drawing tool. When there multiple faces at the same height the graphics card has to decide which one should be in front of which and it often gets it wrong. The solution is to work in 3D so the graphic card doesn't get confused. Here I've moved the windows down 100 mm from the walls.
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You wrote the the edges on the window had been deleted but that's not correct. If they had been deleted there's be no faces. The faces of the window end up occluding the edges of the opening in the wall.

With the windows moved down and the reference updated in LayOut the heavier edges for the wall show as desired.
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I've worked with a lot of students over the years who have been assigned to create 2D drawings in SketchUp and who have run into similar issues. Rug and furniture outlines disappearing in their plan views, case work disappearing in their 2D elevation drawings ... I also see students being taught to draw 2D elevations along with their 2D plans in SketchUp. It seems to me that it would make sense to use a 2D drawing application for making 2D drawings if only 2D drawings are required. LayOut can be used that way. Or get the students thinking in 3D much earlier in the process. They do have to learn about making things like section cuts to show plan and interior elevations but there's no chance of making elevations and plans that conflict like there is when making the individual 2D views. And it's more like what they'll do in the real world.

Off topic but something you should pass on to the student. Make sure tag usage is correct. ALL edges and faces should be kept untagged. Only groups and components should be given tags.
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And purging unused stuff periodically helps to keep the file size down and performance up.
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This isn't a huge file but the same ideas apply. Purging unused stuff from this model reduced the file size by 87.5%

Hopefully that all works for you.

Thanks for your detailed response, Dave. I hear what you're saying about the 2D/3D, but this is how it's taught at the moment and so I need to be able to support it.

That's odd about the faces still being there. Maybe I uploaded the wrong file. I've played with it so much I may haven't uploaded the version without the edges and face on the window - the version I have has no edge or faces.

I know how to workaround it several ways, such as moving the symbol down along the blue axis, I just couldn't work out why it was happening if there was no edge or face on the window.

Thanks very much for taking the time to look at it.

Yeah. It's kind of silly that we've never met in person. After we get through this cold spell and my feet warm up, I'll drive up there.

Dave R,
Presently, it's working properly again.
Thank you.

Maybe go through the SketchUp Funadamentals at learn.sketchup.com

Basically groups and components are sort of containers that collect stuff together. At their lowest level they contain edges and faces. If you need an analogy think of jars and bottles. The glass allows you to see the mustard, mayonnaise, and maple syrup without allowing them to combine with each other in your refrigerator. Make groups and components to prevent geometery from merging in your models.

Tags (formerly called Layers) don't provide separation in SketchUp. Tags are put onto objects (groups, components, images) primarily for visibility control in scenes. Tags will not prevent mergers of geometry in the model space. The normal workflow is to leave Untagged active at all times. Create all geometry untagged and leave it untagged. Make groups or components as you go and give tags to those groups and components as needed. This is the same workflow as when tags were called layers.

Using the correct workflow will make your work easier and faster. It'll also reduce the chance of errors because there's no need to chase the tags as you work. Here's an example from your model.
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With all of the attached geometry selected for this stair rail, you can see that the Tags field in Entity Info is blank. Tht means that there's more than on tag involved. That results in some parts of the model disappearing while other parts don't when you turn off the Stair tag's visibility, for example.

Also, because of your process of tagging geometry you have to always remember to change the active tag as you edit groups and components. If you leave all geometry untagged and leave Untagged active, you don't even need to know what tag an object has before you edit it. When the group or component is open for editing the tag is immaterial.

Another thing I noticed in your model is excessive nesting when you did use groups and components. This spiral stair is a case in point.
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Look at Ouliner. All of the objects in blue are part of this spiral stair. The top Group is the top level object. Then there are several unneeded levels of nesting before you get into the objects that make up the spiral stair case. And you have each stair tread component in an unneccesary group. If you dig into this stair case you'll find the railing is ungrouped geometry combined with all those groups that contain a single stair tread component. This kind or thing bloats your model file and makes it more difficult to work with as you make updates. If you think of my anaology, above, you have 16 jars of mustard in larger jars (double wrapped) and they are in a bag (the group above the groups with the stair tread components) with maple syrup (the stair rail geometry) poured in. And then that bag is inside another bag which is inside another bag, which is inside yet another bag.

Here I've simplified that stair case. I've eliminated the unneeded nesting and named the top level group so it can be identified in Outliner and automatically labelled in LayOut if needed. I made a component to contain the geometry for the rail and converted the landing and the landing rail to components with names to identify them.
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Built this way, if you want to get in to the model to, say, edit the stair tread component, it's much faster and simpler because you don't have to burrow in through have a dozen or more group containers. And since the group has a useful name, you can work even more quickly via Outliner.

Outliner is effectively useless when everything has the same name.
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Keeping your models clean and streamlined may seem like more work but I assure you it will pay off in the long run with less time invested in working on the model, especially when changes are quired later. It'll also make working in LayOut easier and faster. This got longer than I intended but there's more you can do to improve your workflow. If your time has any value, I think it's worth figuring that out.

It will let you create a multicolumn document to insert as a reference in LayOut.

Does the style used for the viewport have Dashes enabled? Does the component containing the geometry actually have the "Snuggler" tag? Is the geometry tagged (it should not be).

If you share the LayOut file so we can see exactly how you've set it up, we can certainly identify what's going on. If you don't want to make it public, snd it to me via a PM and I will help without sharing the file with the world.

Are you running LayOut from the .dmg file or did you actually install it in Applications?

The second option I gave you should force LayOut to rewrite the location of the SketchUp Model panel next time you open LayOut and save a project. If LayOut was properly installed, that is.

@schaferron1 said:

Uthe <SheetA#C> did not work. It just displays the page number. No C

How did you format the text in the lower part of the Document Setup panel? Show a screenshot of it.

Text created in SketchUp won't scale with the geometry. You could create the symbols in SketchUp using 3D Text (it can be created without extrusion) so the text is geometry as is the circle or other shape. Then you can set the scale for the resulting viewports in LayOut when you create the scrapbook page. Either leave them as viewports linked to the SketchUp file or render then as Vector and explode them to create scaled drawing entities.

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@schaferron1 said:

Are you suggesting there is a plug in or extension to help Layout create radius dimensions?

Thanks,

Ron

There's nothing in that request to indicate there's a plugin or extension for radius or diameter dimensions. The method I showed is still the way to add those in LayOut.

What version of SketchUp/Layout are you using? Please complete your forum profile.

Nice work.

I bet you can think of other applications for images with transparency. I did this template a while back for work for a specific client. The white background is actually a white to transparent gradient png I made in PaintDotNet and inserted onto the bottom-most layer in the layers stack. It can be easily edited if I need to change it or I can remove or replace it altogether. The cyan line above the logo is just there as a guide to prevent me from putting model related content below it. The line's layer gets turned off before export to PDF.
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If your drag the column separator you can resize...

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But there's no way to keep your preferred window size. It's funny you mention this because I have an AutoHotkey script that resizes the active window for apps that do this. It annoys me too.