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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:14 am

I've added in the option for 240V receptacles:



These are limited to single gang configurations as shown (2 gang electrical box). They can be mounted either vertical or horizontal. The annotation allows one to specify either a dryer (D) or range (R) outlet.

By default the color of the outlets is a dark brown (thermoplastic) but can be modified by the user as well as the wall plate material.

I was going to add in an option for a welder outlet but I'm not sure which outlet type is the most common for this application, it appear that the NEMA 6-50 is commonly used for welders but until I get more information or a direct request for this particular NEMA receptacle I will leave this one for now.

Dimensions for these outlets types are per Leviton's product lineup, as is the wall plate. For now I've employed the standard 2-gang Carlon PVC box but for a heavier circuit like these I personally would probably go with a metal box and the appropriate mud ring and cable clamps.

https://www.hubbell.com/raco/en/Product ... es-section

https://www.hubbell.com/raco/en/Product ... 9/p/141876
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:54 am

A few more options for the switches module:



One of my favorite switches, the Trimatron.

Okay, I think I have my bases mostly covered for switches and outlets other than some specific combinations which will require a different icon/tool but I will get to that in the near future. Am I missing anything important here?

I currently have 47 pre-configured switch/outlets and combinations, see the model here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... Poly-Count

Besides switches and outlets there are all of the low voltage type components like:

Coax, Cat5/6/7, Phone, Speakers etc...

Then there are your service panels (breaker boxes)

The other elephant in the room is lighting fixtures.

I think for now I will start off with the switches and outlets and see what the response is. If the user base demands all of these other elements then I will take it one step at a time.
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:05 pm

I will provide the same 14-xx outlet in 30 and 50 amp without the dryer or range designation, for those applications that are something other than those two typical residential usages.

I was looking at Square D service panels (load centers) last night and I'm most familiar with their QO product, not a huge fan of the cheaper Homelite product line. I can't seem to find any decent drawings or dimensions for these enclosures other than the overall size. If anyone can direct me to a resource which will allow me to model these up with some accuracy I would like to add in a handful of service panels.

I'm probably not going to dive too deeply into the load center module right now, only providing a basic model and label, but eventually it would be nice if one could assign specific outlets, switch and light fixtures to a given circuit/circuit breaker. There is a lot that can be done with this sort of thing.
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:29 am

For low voltage I am going to start with only one style for now and that is the Leviton Quickport system:



The advantage with this system in my opinion is that there will be less electrical boxes to install since you can get more than one outlet per box (max. is 6 ports for a single gang box).

My only problem now is how to show this type of port on the electrical plan. Typically I would have a symbol for TV, Phone and/or Data. However, what does one show when you have a situation like above where all three data types are compressed into one box. Even worse, what if I have the 6 port version and have one phone jack, two CAT6 jacks, two coax jacks and a blank?

What is the preferred convention? If there is one.

Additionally there is the 2-gang low voltage box (Carlon SC200AR) which can be fitted with a Quickport face plate and have a maximum of 12 separate ports, yikes.
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:57 am

The low voltage components that will be utilized in the Medeek Electrical extension:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... e-Low-Poly

This collection is only the QuickPort components there is also the QuickPlate and Decora styles that I have not gotten to yet.

https://www.leviton.com/en/products/res ... wallplates

https://www.leviton.com/en/products/res ... wallplates
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby juju » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:06 am

Would we be able to add/assign our own/custom components?
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:50 am

Yes, I think I can set that up. You will probably need to take a look at the way I am setting up the .skp files in the low voltage library (placement of origin) and then it shouldn't be too hard to add your own jacks etc...

I've also added in the RCA QuickPort by request.



You will be able to assign a unique QuickPort outlet to each port of the wall plate and also assign it its own unique color if you choose (this will be important for people who are color coding network jacks).
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:39 am

The updated toolbar:



I will leave it up to inquiring minds to figure out what all these icons mean. :)
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:18 pm

The low voltage module is working pretty good now. I just need to wrap up the 2D symbols and then we will see if I can put together a few typical load centers, and then its out to the public for some BETA testing.

A 2-gang, 12 port low voltage box is probably your worst case scenario:



Each port can be assigned one of the following:

- CAT6
- CAT5e
- COAX
- PHONE (RJ11)
- RCA (Audio/Video, gold plated)
- BLANK (Plastic Insert)

Additionally each port has its own unique material/color which by default is "White". The faceplate can also be assigned a unique material/color.

Similar to other outlets the advanced options can be enabled which allows for vertical or horizontal mounting.

The number of possible QuickPorts is limited to the following:

1-Gang: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6
2-Gang: 8, 12

There are additional 2-Gang QuickPort wall plates that I have not added. I will only add these if requested, since they are already covered by the 1-Gang option.
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:58 pm

Various combinations of QuickPorts yields a number of possible 2D symbols:



I've tried to stay with conventional symbols as much as possible. Please let me know what you think on this.
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:26 am

Tomorrow I will finish modeling up some typical load centers (breaker boxes) like the one below (200 Amp, 40 Spaces):



I'm not going to put any special logic into this module yet, just a simply positioning and selection. However at some point it would be really cool to use the plugin to setup the various breakers and identify circuits as well as assign specific elements to a circuit.

For now three sizes of breaker components are provided and it is up to the user to manually configure their panel if they so choose to do so, otherwise is is more representational than anything else.

When it comes to setting the vertical height of the load center what is the method used to measure from the floor? Center, Top or Bottom of the panel?

I will provide some common panel sizes (spaces): 24, 30, 40, 42, 54, and 60.

My breakers are based on the SquareD QO series as are my load centers however they are considerably simplified to maintain a low poly count.

Also for now I am only going to provide flush mount and not surface mount however I will probably enable both in the future.

View model here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... er-Example
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:40 pm

Various load center sizes, view model here:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... s-Low-Poly

All load centers are 200 Amp except for the 24 space unit which would be rated for 100 or 125 Amp.
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:56 pm

The inside of these boxes and the breakers are very simple and low poly. The idea is mostly to convey the number and location of breakers and overall dimensions:

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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:51 am

In the parameters for the load centers I identified the following options:

1.) Style: Flush Mount, Surface Mount
2.) Indoor/Outdoor: Indoor, Outdoor
3.) Height: Distance from floor to bottom of box (in./mm)
4.) Breaker No.: 6, 8, 12, 24, 30, 40, 42, 54, 60
5.) Amperage: 100, 200
6.) Main Lug: Main Breaker, Main Lug
7.) Adv. Options: None Currently

There is no material/color assignment.

I've created a 6 and 8 breaker box (main lugs only). I will need to add in additional boxes that only have main lugs and not a main breaker for the other sizes, but that is work for another day.
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby juju » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:44 am

Here we mainly use board arrangements with a horizontal breaker alignment, in rows as many as may be required. Thus breakers switches are up/down (up = on & down = off). Interestingly enough, light switches work the other way around here, up = off & down = on.
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:39 pm

juju wrote:Here we mainly use board arrangements with a horizontal breaker alignment, in rows as many as may be required. Thus breakers switches are up/down (up = on & down = off). Interestingly enough, light switches work the other way around here, up = off & down = on.


In the global settings I will have a parameter that allows one to switch to the electrical standard of their choice. Right now the only option is NEMA:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... ssociation

Perhaps the next standard that should be added is the British standards and its derivatives (BS 545, BS 1363, BS 4573):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_ ... pe_D_and_M)

The South African standard is also of some interest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SANS_164

Who is the predominant manufacturer of outlets, switches and wallplates in South Africa?
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby juju » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:25 pm

medeek wrote:The South African standard is also of some interest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SANS_164

Who is the predominant manufacturer of outlets, switches and wallplates in South Africa?

in alphabetical order:
Clipsal
Crabtree
Legrand
Veti
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:15 pm

First look a the output of the load center or service panel module:

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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:17 am

For wall mounted light fixtures what is the most common type of electrical box used?
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:12 am

Perusing the selection of electrical outlets and boxes at my local Ace Hardware this morning it became painfully obvious that I should have added the option for "amperage" to the outlet parameters.

Standard and Decora outlets now are available in 15A or 20A:



I've never actually seen this type of outlet (NEMA 5-20R) installed in any residence I've ever lived at or in any new construction I've worked on but I'm sure it has its place.

Currently the 240V outlets are limited to only 30A and 50A outlets. At some point I may add in NEMA 6-15R and NEMA 6-20R if there is call for it.
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:48 am

Just a reminder to everyone that is following the development of this plugin:

This plugin is an add-on plugin/extension. In other words it currently only installs switches, outlets, low voltage outlets and panels into the walls that are created by the Medeek Wall extension.

At some point I may attempt to extend it to allow for operation with any solid walls but for now it is limited to working with the geometry created by the mdkBIM suite. There are a number of technical issues/reasons for this which I will not delve into at this time.

Since it is not a stand alone plugin and is dependent (currently only on the Medeek Wall extension) I will probably not charge as much for it if it were a standalone extension. As such I am thinking about $20.00 USD for a permanent license with a $10.00 USD renewal for upgrades.

Eventually it will be packaged with the mdkMEP suite but for now it is a standalone purchase and separate from the mdkBIM suite.

It will eventually include its own estimating module which again is separate from the Medeek Estimator (Wall Plugin). I really haven't gotten that far yet but I will solicit feedback from the user base of this plugin once I release the BETA and determine how we want to put that together.
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:47 am

Electrical boxes for light fixtures:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/ ... ical-Boxes

I'll start with the simple nail mounted 3/0 and 4/0 boxes (Carlon B518 and B520). I should also add the hanger bar variants as well but I'll need to purchase a few more samples from the local hardware store first so that I can create semi-decent models.
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby juju » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:42 pm

while it is an incentive to your current userbase, it is rather limiting in the broader sense as I only know of 1x other extension for electrical layouts currently, thus quite a potentially large market for a standalone version
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:58 pm

juju wrote:while it is an incentive to your current userbase, it is rather limiting in the broader sense as I only know of 1x other extension for electrical layouts currently, thus quite a potentially large market for a standalone version


I am tending to agree with your assessment. I will see what I can do.
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:24 am

First look at the output of the Light Fixture Module:







The plugin allows you to drop your own light fixtures into the library sub-folder so you can have as many custom light fixtures as you like (and I don't need to spend anymore time modeling things up).

The fancy ext. wall lantern shown was simply downloaded from the warehouse, minor edit to make sure the origin of the file was in the correct place and then dropped into the light_fixture sub-folder. I will not be including this fixture in the distribution simply due to its size (1.2 Mb). However I will include some basic lampholders like the Leviton 49875 shown.

Another thing to note, since the light fixtures are custom I will not be attempting to apply any material or color to them. For that reason there is no need to explode the component into a unique group.

I will add some additional simple light fixtures and junction boxes as time allows or as requests are made.

Currently the light fixture tool is limited to wall mounted fixtures. I am still contemplating how best to deal with ceiling mounted fixtures and what type of system/organization to employ.
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:09 am

Pulling the global settings together:



Outlets tab:



The estimating piece will be after I release the BETA.

I'm almost ready to put this new plugin out there but I'm waffling on whether to spend some additional time on the draw tool and see if I can't make the plugin work with any (wall) geometry rather than just limiting it to an add on for the Medeek Wall plugin.
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby juju » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:17 pm

medeek wrote:I'm almost ready to put this new plugin out there but I'm waffling on whether to spend some additional time on the draw tool and see if I can't make the plugin work with any (wall) geometry rather than just limiting it to an add on for the Medeek Wall plugin.

+1 for this
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:28 am

*** BETA RELEASE ***

Version 0.9.0 - 02.14.2019
- Created the Medeek Electrical Plugin, utilizing SketchUp's Ruby API.
- Added tools to create switches, outlets, low voltage outlets, load centers and lights.

Download the BETA version here:

http://design.medeek.com/resources/mede ... lplugin.pl


Just a reminder that this plugin is currently dependent on the Medeek Wall extension to function. Also a new version of the Wall plugin is required in order to retain the electrical components within the wall panels. The upgraded version of the wall plugin will be released later tonight.

Items needing further attention:

- Ceiling light fixtures.
- Parametric ability (edit menus for all fixtures).
- Combo switch/outlets
- Estimating
- Ability to use the plugin with any wall geometry (non-plugin dependent)
- Link to purchase plugin within Account Manager (currently only a TRIAL version is available)
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:19 am

Version 0.9.0b - 02.15.2019
- Added additional Carlon and Raco octagon boxes into the Light Fixture module.



Per customer request I've added some additional electrical boxes.

The full list of junction boxes available for light fixtures is:

Junction Boxes: Carlon (B518, B520, B620H), Raco (111, 112, 119, 128, 146, 164, 175, 177)

The reason I have to add these boxes in is because I need to hard code in the dimensions so that the plugin knows what the width is when the box justification is toggled to left or right. Its not a big deal, it only takes me a couple minutes to add in a new box and its dimensions.

If you have a particular box or light fixture you would like to see added please let me know

As far as other international standards (British, France, South Africa etc...), I would be excited to add these in as well but I don't have the time or the energy to model up quality, low poly models of typical boxes, faceplates and electrical components. If you would like to see these added to the plugin I would need to have low poly models provided to me.
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Re: Medeek Electrical

Postby medeek » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:13 am

Version 0.9.1 - 02.16.2019
- Enabled the ability to draw switches with any wall geometry (removed the dependency on the Medeek Wall extension).

I've been blasted with emails the last couple of days requesting that I make the plugin work with any walls, so I figured I might as well see if I can make this happen.

This is largely experimentally at this stage since dealing with random (walls) geometry can be a bit tricky.

I've only enabled this feature with the Draw Switches tool for now. Once I am satisfied with its performance I can easily migrate it to all the other tools.

The wall must be a group, and its faces must be only one level deep, not nested group within group.

Please download this latest release and attempt to break it, let me know your findings.
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