by michaliszissiou » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:47 pm
Lovely tractor Eric, both photos look like an early Ps work. The first one, well known photo, it's obviously a montage. See environment around figures. I won't discuss on the second one. Obviously a montage, once again.
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by boofredlay » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:13 am
I am not so quick to discount those images. I can't say for sure about the officer hanging on but surely the one by Charles Ebbets is authentic. This 1932 photo by fearless photographer Charles C. Ebbets shows workmen eating lunch on the 69th floor of the GE Building during the construction of Rockefeller Center. The photo was originally published in the New York Herald Tribune. Notice that the worker on the far right is holding what looks like a liquor flask. I guess it gets chilly up there.
Were these men, whose feet were dangling hundreds of feet above New York’s streets, out of their minds? Because, really, who will eat lunch on a hanging girder and, consequently, who would be courageous enough to take a picture during the Rockefeller Center’s construction – on the 69th floor?
This legendary photograph which portrays 11 workers having a lunch break defines the career of an American photographer, Charles Ebbets. In 1932, Ebbets was the photographic director of the building’s construction. He took this famous photo in September of the same year and shortly after, it was published in the New York Herald Tribune.
This became one of the photographs that changed the world. It was adopted by pop culture and has so many versions to date. Some of these were humorous renditions featuring Hollywood icons, the Muppets, and even the casts from F.R.I.E.N.D.S.
Here are a couple more of Ebbets famous photos. 



And the man himself. 
Now this one for sure is faked 
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by thomthom » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:36 am
I came across the LEGO variant a few weeks ago - found a high-res version which I'll make into an A2 print on aluminum. 
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by michaliszissiou » Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:37 pm
Ebbets famous photos. I know, they may be authentic in some way, some of them. 1. Can you please, explain the halo lighting around some figures? This indicates editing. 2. In some of these photos, watch the DOF, inconsistency? Yeah, the front buildings are in focus, same the figures that are very close to camera.
Anyway retro cool. My favorites
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by Dave R » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:00 pm
Keep in mind that in those days, the air in the cities was a whole lot thicker than it is these days. Lots of coal being burned and no regulations on pollution.
Those images are on some larger format film--notice the camera in the hands of the photographer. Probably 4x5 or possibly a 5x7 camera. Hand holding a camera like that means he was probably not focusing it on his subjects but just setting the focus more by guess. He'd know the depth of field range for the aperture he's using and set the focus so his most distant subject is near the far end of the range. I expect the halo at the center of the images is probably due to issues with the lens, shutter and the aperture. A leaf shutter opens from the center outward and at high (relatively speaking) shutter speeds, the center of the image receives more light than the edges.
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by michaliszissiou » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:38 pm
@Dave R I love these old cameras, I know what you mean but this isn't the case. There's a halo around the figures. Not an aperture neither a vignette effect. It's definitely a retouching. If it's a hoax, I can't be sure.
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by andybot » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:05 pm
michaliszissiou wrote:@Dave R I love these old cameras, I know what you mean but this isn't the case. There's a halo around the figures. Not an aperture neither a vignette effect. It's definitely a retouching. If it's a hoax, I can't be sure.
It could also just be a darkroom thing - if the print was made by burning and dodging around the figures, the background around them would be blown out.
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by michaliszissiou » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:53 pm
See, on the last photo I posted, Lenin and Molotov. Around Molotov's figure there's a halo too. Very common on old photos. Adopted from oil painting technics. However, you may think that it's another fake photo and you may be right. We weren't there. Photos aren't real documents, always, they never were. Long time before Ps.
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by Daniel » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:51 pm
I did some reading up on "Lunch atop a Skyscraper," and it was interesting. The photographer wasn't identified until fairly recently. Although staged, the photo wasn't faked. The halo you see are actually clouds in the background, they are so high up. Also, unkown to viewers, there is a roof surface a few stories below, so if they fell they wouldn't have had too far to go.
I remember seeing film of steel workers on skyscrapers. It seemed to defy logic (and prudence) to be so high up and walking on such narrow steel beams, before the age of safety harnesses, but they did it.
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by Daniel » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:02 pm
Michel, looking at the photos of Lenin with and without Molotov, what jumps out immediately is that the second image has less resolution, so it's hard to compare the two. It appears there is a lot of light reflecting off the river, and possibly off the white wall in the background. I wonder if what you are seeing as a halo is not a lot of reflected light behind the figure.
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by michaliszissiou » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:12 pm
Daniel, not a halo, an editing again. I wonder if Molotov is a fake. The scale of these figures is a bit... out of scale. I wonder. Is there anything true on these photos?
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by boofredlay » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:46 pm
Meanwhile, back on topic... The Douglas TB2D Skypirate was a torpedo bomber intended for service with the US Navy’s aircraft carriers. Two prototypes were completed, but the dedicated torpedo bomber was becoming an outdated concept and with the end of World War II, the type was no longer needed, resulting in the project’s cancellation.
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by andybot » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:02 pm
Boofredlay wrote:The Douglas TB2D Skypirate was a torpedo bomber
what's to distinguish this from other WWII planes? Just curious what you find retro cool about it. (looks sorta like the corsair) now that motorcycle - awesome!!
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by boofredlay » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:08 pm
The dual set of propellers caught my eye.
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by andybot » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:12 pm
ah, that is peculiar, Perhaps a thrust issue. Wonder how many horsepower was under that cowl.
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by dale » Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:12 pm
Do these still roam the streets? Screen shot 2012-03-06 at 6.10.21 AM.png
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Or these in the old mans shop. Rigid 
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by pbacot » Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:09 pm
IDK about the tool, but she looks anatomically impossible!
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by Gaieus » Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:23 pm
Well, these are also anatomically incorrect yet still alive 
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by David_H » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:18 pm
somebody needs to buy that girl a hamburger.
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by David_H » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:30 pm
my love of classic VW's segue's beautifully into this discussion 1956 bus 246%20005.jpg 100_1863.jpg 100_1865.jpg
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Yes Dale, Mr Whippy is still alive and kicking...and just as annoyingly loud as ever. I can understand them at the beach or whatever, but why the 'burbs? It's not like we don't have freezers these days....and much cheaper ice cream from the supermarket.
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David_H wrote:my love of classic VW's segue's beautifully into this discussion
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by David_H » Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:47 pm
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by boofredlay » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:32 pm
This is the ‘jungle yacht’, and was used by the Italian explorer Attilio Gatti in his 10th and 11th African expeditions. The expedition used two streamlined trailers designed by Count Alexis de Sakhnoffsky and using 1937 International Harvester D-35 chassis, and were 44 feet long and weighed 9 tons. The vehicles were built by the International Harvester company, who was evidently one of the sponsors of the expedition.
The trailers were pretty luxurious accommodations for camping out in the boonies of British East Africa. They were joined together in camp as a deluxe 5-room apartment on wheels, and served as headquarters while the expedition’s personnel sought out the secrets of the dim heart of Africa.
The camps were equipped with electricity and air conditioning and had a workshop, a photographic lab, and a ham radio station (Gatti was an enthusiastic ham radio operator). Electricity was supplied by a 110 volt generator mounted behind the cabs of the trucks. Each night a single wire 4500 volt electric fence was put up to dissuade the large specimens of the local wildlife from approaching the camp.
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by michaliszissiou » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:48 pm
Reminds me this one 
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by boofredlay » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:46 am
Tupolev ANT-20
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