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Just got this from GSU and thought I should pass it on straight away. As you know Lion is now available for download. After reading the following I will holding off for a while.
SketchUp/OSX Lion Known Google SketchUp Lion Issues
1. SU hangs when generating scene thumbnails for models with background images.
When generating scene thumbnails for models with background images (i.e. those with Match Photo scenes), SketchUp can hang or crash.
Workaround: keep the Scenes dialog closed when working with models with background images..
2. Scene is no longer synced in model with 1 match photo scene.
In a model with 1 match photo scene, the camera is no longer synced back to the scene when clicking on the scene.
Workaround: add a second scene via some method other than using the Scenes dialog - e.g. right click on the Scene tab and select “Add”. Adding a scene via the Scenes dialog is not possible given the first issue.
3. Unable to login to the 3dwh.
When trying to login to the 3dwh/GAIA from within SketchUp, you see the message “Service not available. Try again later”.
Workaround: you can still login to the 3dwh outside of SketchUp by going directly to the 3dwh site: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ . From there, it is possible to then upload kmz files which means you need to export your SketchUp model to the kmz format before uploading.
4. Some of the photo texture pins are no longer visible.
When selecting a region using the “Photo Textures” dialog, only one pin is visible which makes it hard to accurately grab a photo texture. You can still grab photo textures - it is just that grabbing the exact region you want is now more difficult as you can’t see all the pins.
Workaround: by left clicking on the photo region and moving the mouse, you can somewhat manipulate the region you want to capture.
5. Mouse scroll direction is now flipped.
With the new Lion OSX, there is a new Mouse option (“Move content in the direction of finger movement when scrolling or navigating”) which is checked by default. When this option is checked, scrolling forward with the mouse wheel causes the SU model to zoom out and scrolling backwards causes the model to zoom in.
Workaround: in Lion, go to System Preferences > Mouse and uncheck “Move content in the direction of finger movement when scrolling or navigating”. Note: in a future release, unchecking this option should no longer be necessary.
6. Stacked Snappy dialogs break apart after a resize
Stacked Snappy dialogs can now break apart after resizing one of the dialogs in the stack.
Workaround: re-snap the dialogs together if they break apart after a resize.
7. Models are now visible behind the Welcome dialog on startup and are remembered from session to session..
With Lion, SketchUp now remembers whatever models you had open in a previous SketchUp session and, on re-launch, opens those same models. This means that models can now show up behind the Welcome dialog, which is a change of behavior. It may also mean that SketchUp can take longer to launch and may potentially re-open a problem model from a previous session.
Workaround: close your models prior to exiting SketchUp if you do not like this behavior.
I was about to start a new topic asking if GSU had released a Lion-compatible update. I never jump at a mac os system release because most app companies take some time to update their code to comply with the new system. so I am going to wait until I hear from GSU, Adobe, Microsoft, etc, that their apps run on Lion without glitches.
speaking of GSU, they have been silent for months, presumably working on some secret project. I hope it is worth the wait and the silence.
A wise decision Edson. To tell you the truth, I am quite happy with Leopard! I have things set up the way I like them and everything is working well.
Lion looks great with all its new features but I really can't put my finger on one and say, 'I have to upgrade as I want it'. I watched the Apple presentation and can't remember half of them! I think this might either be 'something' setting in or its just that I don't need it ..... not right now at least.
I do however remember one thought crossing my mind while watching the presentation. That was the 'sliding' of pages / screens. I thought that this would be great on an iPad as it would be more 'touchy / feely', not so much on my MBP. That is why I did a little research on using an iPad / Mini Mac combo. You can see what I came up with here, viewtopic.php?f=72&t=38855
I'm curious about the naming of the OS, they are now on lion the 'king of the jungle' (lions don't generally live in jungles) so what comes next? meercat? wombat?
I agree with Edson (from experiance with Leopard) wait before upgrading OSX, lot's of bugs need to be ironed out (unfortunately not a Mac fix as they release their OS and expect the 3rd party software to support them, so it's a waiting game)
the only feature that seems to be an improvement to my workflow is iCloud. having Mail, iCal and Address Book synchronized in my mac, iphone and ipad must be excellent. note: as I do not own an iphone or ipad yet, iCloud can wait.
I don't like the idea of having to download Lion. Always like to have an OS CD. Anyway, I see that Apple will be selling Mac OSX Lion on a $69 USB Thumb Drive in August. Okay, its double the price of the download price but still cheap in comparison to Windows 7. It could become a collectors item in years to come also
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Based on what I read above, I am going to hold off upgrading.
Did Google release a maintenance release for the Snow Leopard upgrade? I can't remember now....
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I am also wary of upgrading right now. I have so much software and plugins for various suites I would be worried in case something stopped working especially since I rely on my machine for income now!
I think ill wait for a few patches and keep an eye to mac rumors etc to see how people are faring with it. I agree with Mike also I hate getting stuff as a download especially Steam for my games on MAC grrr, I would certainly but the USB key for piece of mind.
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Nor can I (I am on Windows) but I do remember that there were issues until they adopted SU to Leopard (I would not say "fixed" thing as it wasn't them who broke them). Those issues - as far as I can remember - were not as serious (or numerous) as these ones now however.
if it is wise to wait a little before upgrading to an app's new version what to say of a whole OS upgrade?
another aspect of the download vs CD/DVD issue is that all apps one buys from the app store are immediately installed in your machine without giving you the chance to think if you want to do it at that exact moment. this is in general ok but I am not sure it should work this way with an OS upgrade.
.... the old adage, 'If it ain't broken, don't fix it!' has come to mind a few times. BTW, read that Lion is slower than Snow! The test results showed that it only by a fraction but never the less slower!
I also read somewhere that it should be possible to to have both Snow and Lion loaded! I think this involved setting up a partition but it would be worth the hassle for the learning curve period and I do believe there will be a little learning curve. Maybe even run it off a mem stick! I will look into it more and get back.
I would like to upgrade to Lion and buy a new MacBook Air.
I post a bug report about "White line bug" when shadows is switched on (viewtopic.php?f=13&t=38858).
This recent bug is probably only on new Mac with Intel HD Graphics, with MacOs X 10.6.8. I have the new 13" MacBook Pro, using anterior 10.6.7.
Do you know if this problem will be solved in next maintenance release ?
I'm afraid this problem will appear again with Lion, and the new MacBook Air are only compatible with Lion.
Under Mac Os X 10.6.7, the Intel HD 3000 work perfectly with SketchUp 8 and fast.
Sketchup is not the only one won't work problely on the new OS, but also entire Adobe apps., especially, Flash.
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Yes indeed, I read an article that Lion is 'ripping' Flash apart. Must try at find it as the graphic was good. Mmmmm, it looks to me that Apple definately don't want to play nice with Abobe these days! First the iPhone, then the iPad now the Air! What next? Still the 'Jailbreakers' are a strong force! I am not keen on jailbreaking but if the situation arises where I want to use my paid for iDevice in a certain way I think thats my business ALONE.
Here is another reason to me not upgrading,
Dear Carbonite Mac user,
As you may know, Apple has released the latest version of their operating system, Mac OS X Lion (10.7). At this time, Carbonite is not yet compatible with Lion. We’re actively working on an update to our software that will make it fully compatible with the new operating system.
If you continue using your current operating system (Mac OS X Snow Leopard or Mac OS X Leopard), Carbonite will continue to function normally.
If you plan to upgrade to Lion, please visit our Mac OS X Lion FAQ page for important information and updates about using Carbonite with Lion.
The Carbonite Team
This makes me wonder if Apple develops in a vacuum!
There are also issues with CAD packages - AutoCAD in particular. Considering Apple's massive growth (iPhone and iPad revenues apparently are higher than Microsoft's total revenue) it won't be long before this stuff gets fixed.
I however am holding off until it does.
There are lots of reasons to upgrade. Everyone has heard of the headline multi-touch, full screen mode, and improved mail and Calendar and iDrop.
But in addition, the new Preview has the ability to sign PDFs with a scanned digital signature. It is also the most secure consumer OS you can get. It's even more secure than Linux now apparently due to internal design changes.
Then you have Resume and Autosave, a completely new Filevault (all that's similar is the name and principle - apparently), the ability to record only a part of the screen with Quicktime, easier ways of typing accents and lots more stuff.
So if your machine has decent enough hardware, I think it's a pretty compelling set of reasons to upgrade.
Didn't realize this. Wounder if there is no longer a barrier between hardware, and software?
Don't know, but interestingly, Apple is now the second most valuable company in the world!
Top is Exxon with a market value of around $415bn. Apple is some way behind at around $375bn. What lots of people are wondering though, is what will happen when the next iPhone is released...
LVMH, the biggest luxery group sold about 15b in the first half of 2011. Apple sales were almost 25b in the first quarter. WOW!!! Steve Job can probably own his own space station 4b/year over 30 years, and refurbish a shuttle (1.7b) to take him there (.5b a trip).
It won't be the next iPhone that will create the BIG LEAP in Apple stock value! From what I read (and I read a lot about Apple) the next avenue they look to be breaking into will add 100B to stock value!
Now can anyone guess what I read?
..... simple! TV sets Apple have knocked Nokia of the 1st Place perch and I read they intend to knock Sony, Panasonic, Mitsubishi, etc into a corner soon!
..... this is what I read,
04-13-2011, 07:11 AM
Apple could launch an Internet-connected high-definition television set by the end of 2011, entering the lucrative $100 billion LCD TV market, a new report claims.
Analyst Brian White with Ticonderoga Securities has been at a China electronics trade show this week, and said in a note to investors that he picked up "data points" that point toward a "Smart TV" launch by Apple, possibly by the end of the year.
"Our research suggests this Smart TV would go well beyond the miniature $99 second-generation Apple TV that the company released last fall and provide a full-blown TV product for consumers," White said.
He went on to say that although Apple has long been projected by company watchers to enter the HDTV market, the Mac maker now appears to be "moving down this path at a faster pace than the market expected."
"The combination of Apple's powerful ecosystem, industrial design savvy, powerful brand and ability to reinvent product categories could make Apple a powerful force in the TV world over the next few years," he said.
The biggest pusher of a prospective Internet-connected HDTV from Apple has been analyst Gene Munster of Piper Jaffray. Munster has repeatedly forecast that Apple will introduce such a product in the coming years, with a starting price of around $2,000.
Such a product could be paired with a subscription service to iTunes, allowing users to access content and services at a flat subscription rate that would negate the need for a cable box and digital video recorder. However, White's note gave no indication of potential features of such a product. Apple also has a great deal of experience with high-definition displays on its iMac desktop, including its big-screen 27-inch iMac, first released in 2009.
Earlier this year, Apple revealed it had invested $3.9 billion of its cash reserves in securing key components for products. Many have assumed that money has gone toward securing displays for its range of products, including the iPhone and iPad.
But Munster said in February he believes that $3.9 billion investment is just more evidence of a forthcoming Apple HDTV. He believes Apple could build a television set up to 50 inches in size, though he predicted earlier this year that such a product would not launch until the end of calendar year 2012 at the earliest.[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ] (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11 ... dtv_this_y ear_report.html)
Why because Apple encourages competition, competition pushes innovation, and lower prices.
So let Apple come out with a full internet HDTV and I'll buy the Vizio that competes with it at a fraction of the price, we all win.
.... further 'problems'!
'Apple has hidden the user Library folder by default in Mac OS X Lion. These are instructions on how to make it visible again.'
Mac OS X | How to Show the User Library Folder in Mac OS X Lion
Has apple got something against SketchUp? Maybe its because SketchUp is not in the App Store
What are you doing over here Pete ...... spying????
Hey, I have an Imac, family all have iPhones, and a few ipods (no longer used due to having iPhones) So I'm invested in Apple.
Yeah, TV figures. They already have iTV or whatever. I went by the online Apple store. Busy over there--this is what you get currently
Anyway, isn't that what it is all about? All these eons of human evolution and all this technology, and what people still really want is to watch some pretty person sing and dance on TV, and of course LOL cats.
No use to wait for the Lion on USB key release. It is rather easy to put Lion installer on your own key (and cheaper)
Instructions to do that are easy to find.
for instance; http://www.hardmac.com/news/2011/07/20/ ... k-for-lion
Did it, no glitch.
Installed Lion from the key on my wife's mac.
My machines will wait a while.
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pete is a benign spy. just between the two of us, he pretends to be a mac hater but, as you know, hate is very close to love.