Never upload your work to 3D warehouse!!!

[nick c]

Just a word of warning, never upload your work to Googles 3d warehouse.

I have had my model of a Staffordshire Bull Terrier (alot of work) stollen and reposted on the 3D warehouse by Oliver Aubrey alias titi, as his own work.

My work:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... revstart=0

The stollen copy:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... 9d7b6906fc

This has been reported to Google 3d warehouse and no action has been taken. So it seems that google do not take piracey seriously.

Cheers

[ninopiamonte]

Then after you have had your problem, you have time to write "Cheers"?

Btw, thanks for your advice.

[nick c]

Hi ninipiamonte

Just a force of habit, i always write Cheers instead of thanks/thank you for letters and emails.

By the way, i don't drink, but all my friends do. I promise!!

[Hieru]

This has been reported to Google 3d warehouse and no action has been taken. So it seems that google do not take piracey seriously.

The same thing happened to me a while back, but the duplicate model was removed a few days after I reported the problem. How long ago did you file your complaint?

[Jeff Hammond]

I thought the general rule was never put anything online that you don't want stolen

[nick c]

Hi Hieru

My model was reported on the 8th July.

The thing is that all of the models in Olivier Aurbry's alias titi collection are stollen, and when you look at the comments this has been going on for quite a while. He has been reported befor and the models are still there as his own work.

Maybe i am jumping the gun, but after four days i expect prompt action or some form of comunication from an organisation like Google. You can bet your bottom dolar, that if google found someone useing their software illegaly, they would be on them like a rash.

Google has a duty to protect the people that are uploading their work for free, which benefits the Google website.

[Hieru]

I thought the general rule was never put anything online that you don't want stolen

Generally that's the way I look at it. Since there are so many duplicate models in the warehouse I only complained to Google to see if the complaints system actually worked.

[Hieru]

Maybe i am jumping the gun, but after four days i expect prompt action or some form of comunication from an organisation like Google.

It might be a staffing issue associated with the sale of SU i.e. Google could have pulled their staff from the warehouse and Trimble have yet to allocate replacements. I'm only guessing as I'm not sure what the arrangement is between Google and Trimble as far ass the warehouse is concerned.

[nick c]

Hi Hieru

I have been checking the models in his collection and complaints go back to the beginning of the year, so that is six months and he has been reported on every model in his collection.

I am more angry that google have taken no action in six months.

I purchased Sketchup pro when it was owned by Google, I did the right thing and purchased the product, when i could have easily used a cracked version. If google doesn't take piracey seriously why should anyone else.

Google should give the 3d warehouse to Trimble as they are unable to run the site properly.

[Hieru]

so that is six months and he has been reported on every model in his collection.

In which case I don't understand the inconsistency (removing some models, but leaving others).

[brookefox]

Best to chill. No choice really. Google doesn't care much, if at all. If you share, know and accept the risks or you'll give yourself a pain. If you are looking for accolades then you can post appropriate comments when a thief is spotted, as you have done. But the thief won't enjoy any rewards and you have your good ratings intact, and we all appreciate your generosity. Look at all the nice models which have been shared, with not much thought of a reward, mostly in the spirit of sharing, perhaps with a dose of ego blended in for 'good' measure. Be of good cheer; don't let titi bring you down; he is not likely a happy camper.

[Gaieus]

By sharing a model, you acknowledge any "derivated" versions shared by anyone else in the 3DWH. Now what "derivative" is, can be, of course a matter of discussion but keep one thing in mind: Google wants these models to be accessible to the widest variety of users. They (as a corporation) do not give the slightest shit who shared the model (first). You, by sharing it, give right to others to use (and modify and re-publish etc.) your model. That's it. Read the TOS.

If you do not want these dudes to do so, you have the option to control who can download the model at all...

[Gaieus]

...It might be a staffing issue associated with the sale of SU i.e. Google could have pulled their staff from the warehouse and Trimble have yet to allocate replacements...

Just an anonymous reply on something similar:

...Unfortunately the 3D Warehouse is populated with a lot of juvenile individuals which can result in childish 1 star ratings, unfortunately that means it can quickly become a full time job to police such activities. People are also entitled to their own opinions which may result in 1 star ratings as well. Finally, as we've moved from Google infrastructure to SketchUp (loosely Trimble) infrastructure we can't react to these things in a timely manner (or at all ... for now) so this will just have to sit until we can look at them from an Administrator login for the 3D Warehouse.

[Dave R]

I agree with Csaba. By posting your models on the 3D Warehouse you have given basically given up the right to complain about who does what with them.

[Gaieus]

Certainly. You always have the possibility (given by Google) to limit who can download our model. Please, use the sharing options to do so.

[Hieru]

I agree with Csaba. By posting your models on the 3D Warehouse you have given basically given up the right to complain about who does what with them.

Submitting an ''exact duplicate of another model" is however still listed as a policy violation.

[Gaieus]

[...Submitting an ''exact duplicate of another model" is however still listed as a policy violation.

And then who cares (unless you insist yourself reporting it)?

If you do not want to get your model copied and shared as others', do not share it.

Even worse; I know of companies who downloaded models and then got substantial EU funds to make them and they turned them in as their own and received moneys you would not even dream of for such (basic) models.

So much about EU fundings.

[Hieru]

It just seems to be something of a mixed message.

[nick c]

I originaly posted my work on the 3D warehouse for anyone and everyone to use in any which way they wanted to. they can do what ever they want to my models, i don't care.

Infact i recieved email from a teacher stateing that my model of an elephant was used in a class project at a junior school. the teacher thanked me and sent me a link to a funny video the kids had made. And that made me really happy, as it sums up the whole idea of the 3d warehouse. You give up the rights to your work for others to use in new way to create more models.

But finding the exact same model on the same website. Seems to me to be pushing the limits of shareing a bit to far. This guy has done nothing but copy other peoples work for the last six months. If the whole of the warehouse becomes copies of copies of copies, it defeats the point.

I was more upset that Google seem to be taking no action.

[Dave R]

Nick, that's really cool that you got the thank you from the teacher and an opportunity to see how the kids used your model.

I agree that posting another persons model as your own is going too far. It isn't an ethical thing to do. Still, when you look at the internet as a whole there are an awful lot of more unethical things going on that never get stopped. I'm not saying it is right but in the grand scheme, it's probably not worth losing any hair over.

It would be nice if Google or Trimble could provide a management staff to make sure this stuff was dealt with and offenders removed. It would take a lot of people to mange it and staff costs money and the warehouse would have to be a revenue source for them. That would mean users would have to pay to download models and it would become like FormFonts which probably doesn't have this problem.

I don't think anything is going to change any time soon so I guess share and take the risk, set permissions to limit who can download your models or keep your models to yourself.

[mwm5053]

It's probably no consolation but I downloaded the other guy's model and it lists you as the author in model info credits. It ( the 3DW ) lists you as the original author.

[nick c]

Hi Gaieus.

Although you will not say it directly, you are agreeing with my statement. Never upload to Google's 3d Waregouse!

You are saying that i was stupid to think that my work would not have beeen stollen! And if you do upload models/work you should expect it to be stollen.

You are obviously so used to theift going on around you, that you get upset if someone complains when it happens and tries to warn newbies (like myself). As you are an administrator for this site, i am shocked by your response.

I will try your point of view and go to the local police station, find someone that has been burgled and tell them that they should have expected it because they have a nice house. What do you think thay are going to say to me? They will beat me like a dog untill i am dead.

[Dave R]

[pbacot]

Hi Gaieus.


I will try your point of view and going to go to the local police station, find someone that has been burgled and tell them that they should have expected it because they have a nice house. What do you think thay are going to say to me? They will beat me like a dog untill i am dead.

Yes but if they placed their valuables in an a store that is open 24 hours a day and has no cash register, check out, nor much for staff? I think you misunderstand Gaieus.

[nick c]

you are wrong phacot.

Under the British / USA law and i would imagine all the rest of the countries in the world. You can leave your shop/house unlocked with the door wide open with no one inside. And anyone entering and taking any item and walking out is still classes as stealing. The police will still arrest and charge them.

There is no excuss to say that a Google Site is understaffed. maybe they should sell some of the mapping vehicals i keep seeing on the discovery channel.

Oh, i forgot. They just sold Sketchup, they should have loads of money for more staff.

[pbacot]

you are wrong phacot.

Under the British / USA law and i would imagine all the rest of the countries in the world. You can leave your shop/house unlocked with the door wide open with no one inside. And anyone entering and taking any item and walking out is still classes as stealing. The police will still arrest and charge them.

It's stealing (falsely claiming creative rights). No one says it isn't. There are no police in this case. Nevermind.

[Dave R]

It is stealing to claim rights but the fact remains, if you put your work on the 3D Warehouse, you need to accept that you've made it free for the taking and other people will do what they will with it. If you aren't willing to let go of it, don't post your models there. It's pretty simple to figure.

[nick c]

your right Dave R.

There is no point at all in being part of a communaty that has no law or the ability to police it's self. I am happy to go back to the days of the wild west and tar and feather the guy.

If the 3D warehouse was policed half as well as this site, there wouldn't be a problem.

[johnsenior1973]

You're right Dave R.

There is no point at all in being part of a community that has no law or the ability to police itself. I am happy to go back to the days of the wild west and tar and feather the guy.

If the 3D warehouse was policed half as well as this site, there wouldn't be a problem.

[johnsenior1973]

See how easy I "stole" your words there. That's what happens when you put things up on the net for people.

Now you can get mad about it, or you can wet your knickers in rage like you are doing over the kid on the 3DW.

But in all honesty, you're acting like a 12 year old immature kid who is angry because a 5 year year old stole your sweet, even though you don't even like the sweet and was walking away from it.

The best solution is for you to not post anything on the Internet until you've grown up a bit.