Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby fredo6 » Sat May 07, 2016 7:12 pm

usen wrote:Every common program has the timeline at the bottom, will you keep it on the left?

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Animator Timeline Right.png
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby JQL » Sat May 07, 2016 11:50 pm

LOL!

The main mistake is confusing Fredo6's work with common programs!
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby pilou » Sun May 08, 2016 12:22 am

Fredo President! :enlight:
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby thomthom » Sun May 08, 2016 3:14 pm

New round of donations for Fredo - anyone?
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby fredo6 » Sun May 08, 2016 6:06 pm

pilou wrote:Sorry where is the plugin ? :oops:
It's only for happy fews ? :D

I am still resolving some basic issues with the animation representation framework. So there is some delay, again and again.

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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby duanekemp » Wed May 18, 2016 1:16 pm

I too am a Mac user as well as PC. I'd be more than willing to be your guinea pig for test on both.
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby EarthMover » Tue May 31, 2016 8:37 pm

Fredo, I see you've released 6 beta tutorial videos on your youtube channel. I hope that means something is coming soon. :D
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby driven » Tue May 31, 2016 9:10 pm

fredo,
you can bundle 64-bit ffmpeg binary with your plugin for use on Snow Leopard, Lion, Mountain Lion, Mavericks, Yosemite and El Captain.

it eliminates the need to download, instal, look for, etc...

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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby fredo6 » Tue May 31, 2016 11:46 pm

driven wrote:fredo,
you can bundle 64-bit ffmpeg binary with your plugin for use on Snow Leopard, Lion, Mountain Lion, Mavericks, Yosemite and El Captain.

it eliminates the need to download, instal, look for, etc...

john

John,

Not sure it's a feasible idea:
- I don't know if I have the right to distribute it.
- The exe file is roughly 40 Mb, so not light
- I would have 2 distributions, one for Windows (maybe 2 if 32bits is still around), one for Mac

If there is a right to redistribute, the solution would be to put it on the PluginStore. But again, it's an Exe file on Windows (and similar on Mac), so it's never simple to download such files by program.

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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby MALAISE » Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:57 am

And I missed that. What a tool for animated explanations. I can't wait..
As Pilou said, Fredo President !
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby gio » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:00 pm

[RV444.1442] Thea for SketchUp - NEW

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New: Support for Fredo's Animator plugin added
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby ntxdave » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:19 pm

gio wrote:[RV444.1442] Thea for SketchUp - NEW

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New: Support for Fredo's Animator plugin added
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Ciao,
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How about showing some examples......
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby Falstaff » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:55 pm

I'm trying to animate movements with both translation and rotation and am finding that they interfere with one another, the object gets additionally displaced while rotating, ending up in the wrong spot / pivot point. In that model the components are nested, is there something with how the plugin interprets nested components that would cause that weirdness?

Also how does the positioner option work on the back end? It seems like I have functions that gets locked into place which make it impossible to modify a beginning position, in other words, I want to have my object have a new starting point and even though I set a new position through Positioned Load the plugin queue's back in time and my object jumps back to where I originally had it. It would be helpful to be able to delete Positions or access the coordinates manually somehow to wipe that information.
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby RichardPMuller » Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:02 am

Thanks for sharing this Beta version. First results: Animation double canal lock (school project daughter) Great plugin and lots off fun to work with. https://youtu.be/aO1PnfoDu2g
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby ntxdave » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:34 pm

Falstaff wrote:I'm trying to animate movements with both translation and rotation and am finding that they interfere with one another, the object gets additionally displaced while rotating, ending up in the wrong spot / pivot point. In that model the components are nested, is there something with how the plugin interprets nested components that would cause that weirdness?

Also how does the positioner option work on the back end? It seems like I have functions that gets locked into place which make it impossible to modify a beginning position, in other words, I want to have my object have a new starting point and even though I set a new position through Positioned Load the plugin queue's back in time and my object jumps back to where I originally had it. It would be helpful to be able to delete Positions or access the coordinates manually somehow to wipe that information.

Can you post an animation so we can see your problems?
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby Falstaff » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:24 pm

Attached are two videos of my biking guy. I've got this component organized so that his foot rotates with the pedal component, and now I am manipulating the rotation of his "leg" component and the rotation of his "calf" group within the leg.

I noticed the knee keeps shifting i.e. becoming unattached. The only clue that I have are in the videos below (which show the 360 rotation to emphasize). When I play in isolation mode the leg rotates the way I need it to with the knee intact. However, when I play the entire clip together the movement is wrong.

My guess is either its somehow being influenced by another recorded movement for some reason. Or the plugin is misinterpreting the axis.


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Falstaff wrote:I'm trying to animate movements with both translation and rotation and am finding that they interfere with one another, the object gets additionally displaced while rotating, ending up in the wrong spot / pivot point. In that model the components are nested, is there something with how the plugin interprets nested components that would cause that weirdness?

Also how does the positioner option work on the back end? It seems like I have functions that gets locked into place which make it impossible to modify a beginning position, in other words, I want to have my object have a new starting point and even though I set a new position through Positioned Load the plugin queue's back in time and my object jumps back to where I originally had it. It would be helpful to be able to delete Positions or access the coordinates manually somehow to wipe that information.

Can you post an animation so we can see your problems?
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby ntxdave » Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:07 pm

RichardPMuller wrote:Thanks for sharing this Beta version. First results: Animation double canal lock (school project daughter) Great plugin and lots off fun to work with. https://youtu.be/aO1PnfoDu2g

Nice animation. I am curious about how you accomplished the water level changes. It comes across very smoothly. :thumb:
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby duanekemp » Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:52 pm

RichardPMuller wrote:Thanks for sharing this Beta version. First results: Animation double canal lock (school project daughter) Great plugin and lots off fun to work with. https://youtu.be/aO1PnfoDu2g


Very well done. Bravo.
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby ntxdave » Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:01 pm

Falstaff wrote:My guess is either its somehow being influenced by another recorded movement for some reason. Or the plugin is misinterpreting the axis.


First off, this is an animation that can better be done with a tool that supports "bones" which this version of Animator does not currently do. However, below you will see a very crude attempt to show you the steps that could currently need to be done (many more of them obviously). I did not animate the pedal, just the foot and lower leg. I also left a kind of reference (circle) to give you an idea. I also color coded the sequences to show you which one related to which object in the animation.

You mill notice that there are multiple animation sequences for each object. So what you are doing is rotating, spinning, and translating all at the same time.
Bike Pedal.gif


For the foot, there are two sequences. One is a rotation based on the reference circle below it and the other is a spin to adjust the ending position of the foot.

Tor the lower leg, there are three sequences. One is a translation that moves the leg to the left and the second is a translation that moves the leg down to match the position of the foot. The third sequence for the leg is a spin that adjust the angle of the leg and would occur in the pedaling action.

To complete the full rotation of the pedaling motion, you would have to perform multiple sets like these.

I did not use the save position anyplace in my animation. I generally only use that tool when I think I am going to make a bunch of revisions and may need a clean starting point.

Hope this helps you...............
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby RichardPMuller » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:03 pm

Thanks, simple, the water is just a flat face moving up and down. Move the water in the lock and the boat at the same time and duration up or down the Z-axis. You have to soften some outlines off the water face were they come together, so they look one peace when the doors slide away.

Nice animation. I am curious about how you accomplished the water level changes. It comes across very smoothly. :thumb:[/quote]
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby Falstaff » Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:21 pm

Thank you for your thorough response. That is exactly how I had it set up as far as rotation, in my video you can see the circle behind the foot divided into 12 sections.

My question is what could be the problem if nested components are not rotating around the indicated axis? It seemed to work well for me for the first few sections, and then somehow got bogged down or something.

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Falstaff wrote:My guess is either its somehow being influenced by another recorded movement for some reason. Or the plugin is misinterpreting the axis.


For the foot, there are two sequences. One is a rotation based on the reference circle below it and the other is a spin to adjust the ending position of the foot.
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby Falstaff » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:16 am



I've managed to get my animation to work. I scrapped my last on entirely, I had so many animated sections that the plugin kept getting them jumbled. It doesn't like anything unpredicted.

For each rotation section (I created 12, like a clock) I had 4 or 5 commands so as you can imagine that was quite a lot of movement between two legs. Also in the original I manipulated the movement through direct input of the degrees - so it was about 30 unique numbers. Really confusing to tell which was which.

In this animation I created all my movements outright and instead of having unique numbers I rotated each component the maximum amount 360 degrees and then manipulated it through the DIMS control to get the degree I needed. In the tutorial you can see Fredo6 uses the DIMS as well. Somehow this is less confusing for the plugin. Also clicking save after each new move seems to help.

So I had 8 New Movement controls:
Left Calf 360
Left Leg 360
Left Pedal Stay Flat 360
Left Crank 30
Right Calf 360
Right Leg 360
Right Pedal Stay Flat 360
Right Crank 30

Then I repeated these 12 times and it didn't get hung up on anything. Getting my wheels to rotate the legs started flying around where they shouldn't be again. Also moving the biker messed everything up. Ideally I want him to bike down a bike path. Next time, Im pretty happy with this outcome.

Check it out here : https://youtu.be/Bs9x6pjaPLA

Falstaff wrote:Thank you for your thorough response. That is exactly how I had it set up as far as rotation, in my video you can see the circle behind the foot divided into 12 sections.

My question is what could be the problem if nested components are not rotating around the indicated axis? It seemed to work well for me for the first few sections, and then somehow got bogged down or something.

ntxdave wrote:
Falstaff wrote:My guess is either its somehow being influenced by another recorded movement for some reason. Or the plugin is misinterpreting the axis.


For the foot, there are two sequences. One is a rotation based on the reference circle below it and the other is a spin to adjust the ending position of the foot.
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby pilou » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:30 am

Just erase the "s" in "https" then use the balise

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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby ntxdave » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:28 am

RichardPMuller wrote:Thanks, simple, the water is just a flat face moving up and down. Move the water in the lock and the boat at the same time and duration up or down the Z-axis. You have to soften some outlines off the water face were they come together, so they look one peace when the doors slide away.

That is what I thought but wanted to make sure. Again nice work.....

Falstaff wrote:I've managed to get my animation to work. I scrapped my last on entirely, I had so many animated sections that the plugin kept getting them jumbled. It doesn't like anything unpredicted.

Thank you for your thorough response. That is exactly how I had it set up as far as rotation, in my video you can see the circle behind the foot divided into 12 sections.

Glad you found my coments useful. Yes, I could/should have mentioned DIMS but you got it figured out anyway. I liked your video.

Working with subgroups/subcomponents an be a little trick but also very valuable. If you saw any of my car wash animations, I have to work with them often.

Look forward to future animations from you.
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby RichardPMuller » Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:31 pm

Maybe an idea. The possibility to add sounds to the animation ...
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby fredo6 » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:07 am

RichardPMuller wrote:Maybe an idea. The possibility to add sounds to the animation ...

I assume that in normal cases, users will do a post-production with an appropriate video editing software, where you can cut and rearrange sequences, add legends and sounds. So no plan for that in Animator.

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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby Leonard96 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:59 pm

Wow! This animation plugin rules. Is the best plugin ever released by someone for SketchUP Make. Also, if you don't mind I would like to see by myself how this baby works so... I can be the Rat Lab :)
I would be grateful if I could test it too. If not, I really understand you. It's sad but still I respect your decision.

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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby fredo6 » Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:51 am

I publish here video tutorials showing some features from Animator, based on public videos posted on YouTube.

For the tutorial below, I have used a model with a simple forklift and pallet.
Credit to Burckhard Heimlich for the Forklift model

Here is the original model (SU2015)
Burkhard Heimlich - SU15 - Gabelstapler - 0.skp


The final animation is shown below in Natural mode (i.e. without rendering) and Rendered mode with some rendering software supporting integration with Animator. It is advised to watch the video in Full Screen mode, to see the details.

In Natural mode (No rendering)


Rendered with AmbientOcclusionEx
Many thanks to the Fluid Interactive team, in particular Nicola and Alberto



Rendered with Thea (no model preparation)
Many thanks to the Thea team, in particular tomasz


Rendered with SketchFX (no model preparation)
Many thanks to the Fluid Interactive team, in particular Nicola and Alberto


Rendered with Twilight Render Pro
Many thanks to the Twilight team team, in particular Chris


1) Preparing the Model

Animation should come at the end of the design process, so that most of the objects are in place. Note that Animator allows to add new objects, but modifying the hierarchy of objects already referenced by Animator may cause undesired issues.

Note: I use the term Object to designate both Groups and Components. Animator supports both. Note that the main difference is that when you animate objects which are inside a component, this affects the other instances of the component. When you select a Component Instance, Animator always shows the other instances that would be affected.

Here are a few advices to prepare the model for Animation, essentially around
  • Verifying the Grouping of objects. Grouping is a nice way to transform objects as a whole (even if multi-selection is supported). For instance, a car should be an object, embedding sub-objects such as the car body and the wheels, so that you can move the car while spinning the wheels.Deciding about Groups versus Components, making unique component instances, etc... are the kind of decisions you need to think about.
  • Naming the Objects: It will make it easier when selecting objects in the Movement Editor. Animator selection displays a popup showing the hierarchy objects under the mouse, so that you can pick the right one. If no name is given, then you will see "Group" or "Component", as in the example below:
    Animator - Group Selection.png
  • Creating Layers. Animator records the layer visibility when recording cameras. So it is better to create them before starting the design of an animation.
  • Saving the original object positions. Animator includes a Positioner utility, allowing to save the position of all Objects in the model and later restore it. You can save several positions. As there may be bug or mis-manipulation, it is always good to keep a reference positioner so that you can restablish conistent object positions. This is useful, because Undo will not work (objects moves are transparent)



2) Creating a First Animation

The following tutorial shows how to create a basic animation.



3) Finishing the Object Animation

We can now finish the object animation. The tutorial shows how to re-use existing movements and modify / adjust the animation after it is built.



4) Adding Cameras

You will see how to create travelling views with simple cameras and how they are interpolated (fade-out)


5) Installing FFmpeg (MS Windows)

FFmpeg is an open source tool, free, which is used by Animator to generate video files. The tutorial shows how to do the installation once.



6) Generating a video

The tutorial shows how to generate a video at specified dimensions and frame rate, with several options available.



7) Launching / Stopping the Animation

This video tutorial explains the different ways to start, pause, stop and navigate through the Animation in Editor and Player mode.


8) Tracking Cameras

A tracking camera is a camera attached to an object with a certain viewpoint. This allows to follow the object when it moves.

Tracking cameras supports the Fade-out option, so that you can smoothly switch between two tracking cameras following the same object. Fade out also works to make a smooth transition with other cameras.



9) Layer Visibility

Animator supports two methods to control Layer Visibility
  • STATE: capture of the visibility state of ALL layers. This can be done via the Visual Effect Layer State, or via a View or Scene Camera
  • ON-OFF: Specify the visibility state for given layers
Layer on-off is more adapted to super-impose layer visibility changes since you can control layer by layer.

Note that when these visual effects have a duration > 0, they are ignored when the animation time is after.

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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby duanekemp » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:41 am

"I publish here video tutorials showing some features from Animator"
Excellent tutorial help videos. Thank you so very much for taking the time to do these.
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Re: Animator: Parametric Animation plugin - Discussion

Postby faust07 » Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:44 pm

This is so great and pushes SketchUp to an high level similar to Sketchy- and MSPhysics. The videos and tutorials show that impressive. Is there somewhere a link to download and to test the plugin?
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