[Plugin] New Piping System Plugin

Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby JClements » Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:31 pm

What is the STATUS of this plugin's DEVELOPMENT ?????

[Edit] I now see that you can change the circle segmentation value when the pipe tool is intiated by typing in the VCB (a.k.a "Measurements" box in the SU taskbar). This is mentioned in the tutor dialog which I had turned off.
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby Coronel » Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:29 pm

It don't work on Mac
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby bianhai » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:55 am

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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby Bob James » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:07 am

I just downloaded this plugin and it works fine on my MacPro.

In addition to Profile Builder I often use the "Convert Arcs, Circles, Curves and Lines to Cylinders" plugin. It has the advantage of being able to define a material, opt to make a the whole thing a group or make each tube a group, in addition to defining the diameter and precision. A neat plugin.

This "New Piping System Plugin" would be nice if it had some standard library of fittings.
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby watkins » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:19 pm

Dear SHK,

Can this plugin be used to plan a domestic central heating system - boiler, radiators, control valves, pumps etc?

The technology behind this plugin suggests that it could be adapted to wiring schemes too, both domestic and industrial.

Regards,
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby Coronel » Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:16 pm

Bob James wrote:I just downloaded this plugin and it works fine on my MacPro.



2x2 Ghz Power PC G5 with 10.5.7 and SU 7 here.
I make several attempts and no luck. I also did a manual installation but no luck. I only got some console message errors depending on the path of the installed components.
Could you please write me your components paths? Thanks
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby Bob James » Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:45 am

Coronel wrote:Could you please write me your components paths? Thanks

Coronel,

It just clicked on the 3skenglt© for Google Sketchup 7.mpkg file.

I could not find out where the mpkg file installed the working files: definitely not in the plugins folder.

When you say you "manually" installed it, just what did you manually install??

Note this from the SHK website:
The installation of 3skeng does not work on my computer. What can I do?
We have tested the setup software and the 3skeng software very carefully. Nevertheless it is a new software and we may have not tested all possible configurations. If you are an registered user, please send us an email to support@3skeng.com with a description of the problem as detailed as possible. Clarifying screen shots are highly appreciated. We will help you as soon as possible!
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby Coronel » Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:33 pm

bob.james5 wrote:
Coronel wrote:Could you please write me your components paths? Thanks

Coronel,

It just clicked on the 3skenglt© for Google Sketchup 7.mpkg file.

I could not find out where the mpkg file installed the working files: definitely not in the plugins folder.

When you say you "manually" installed it, just what did you manually install??




I looked for the installed files and was trying the plugin moving them to different possible locations where SU could find them. I made a probe with another user account library, in documents folder like some rubys do, in the own SU folder plugin... I was reading the ruby and its needed files and all seems to be in the right place but I still get start up errors.

I was reading their forums and made same post there too.
Thank you I will try with their support mail.
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby Bob James » Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:15 pm

Coronel wrote:I looked for the installed files and was trying the plugin moving them to different possible locations where SU could find them. I made a probe with another user account library, in documents folder like some rubys do, in the own SU folder plugin... I was reading the ruby and its needed files and all seems to be in the right place but I still get start up errors.


Where are the files/ruby located?
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby Coronel » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:03 pm

bob.james5 wrote:
Where are the files/ruby located?


localhost/Users/me/Library/Application Support/Google SketchUp 7/SketchUp/plugins/3skenglt (folder)/

localhost/Users/me/Library/Application Support/Google SketchUp 7/SketchUp/plugins/3SkengltExtension.rb

it requires 'sketchup.rb' and 'extensions.rb', in the same plugins folder.
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby modelhead » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:30 pm

Here we go again.
With all due respect, if we let every Joe that can write software launch his/her product at the SCF we are quickly going to lose credibility. This forum benefits from reports and critiques by users, that are motivated to post by the relevant features of the product. Subjective, first hand users of a product only.
I can’t imagine the clutter we are going to have here in a year or so if this keeps up.
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby thomthom » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:13 pm

modelhead wrote:Here we go again.
With all due respect, if we let every Joe that can write software launch his/her product at the SCF we are quickly going to lose credibility. This forum benefits from reports and critiques by users, that are motivated to post by the relevant features of the product. Subjective, first hand users of a product only.
I can’t imagine the clutter we are going to have here in a year or so if this keeps up.

What what what? :?:
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby modelhead » Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:51 pm

From time to time as you know I am pretty impulsive.

Thom thom you can set me straight if I have made a mistake. I guess a better way to have expressed myself would have been as a request. I have been gathering speed on the annoyance meter over all the products being sold here.

I have already taken a shot at Mike over a similar thing here...
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=20426

If you want to launch your product here pay for an ad...don't create a forum thread about it.
My feeling is, on the other hand, a legitimate post should come only from those who have first-hand experience, have purchased and used the product in production so therefore can give evidence that it is viable and should be considered.

@SHK...I'm just going to say sorry in advance. I just got you caught in my crossfire.

I think things are going to get pretty watered down at the forum if we don't draw a line.
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby Burkhard » Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:12 pm

I like it to see what people do for and with SU.
Where is the place I get to know when not here?...and... would you say the same about smustard and their commercial scripts?
This is a platform where people can present their products/scripts/plugins related to SU. It is our decision to talk about and to test it. For me it is a difference with marketing and let people know about something new.
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby modelhead » Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:23 pm

It is our decision to talk about and to test it.


Yes I agree with you but the commercialization of the open forum is going to make it all less valuable as we continue. It is already leading members to waste time on items presented without any sort of authentication.

There is no doubt that as the forum has grown it has become harder to make choices about where you should spend your time or where you should contribute. Just because of the volumn of information.
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby thomthom » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:42 pm

hm.. well, I don't see any problem with this post or the likes. I find it interesting to hear about what is available. To me it's the same if the creators make a post or if any user make a post.
This post was nothing more than a simple link - no cheesy sales pitches.
I just don't see the issue...
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby modelhead » Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:04 pm

Ok, just trying to point out where I think we are headed.
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby Mike Lucey » Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:11 am

watkins wrote:Dear All,

What happens when you download the software? Do you get the usual plugins or is there an installer that places software elsewhere? I note that the 'free' offer is only until October 2009. How does that work? Does the installed software time out? I would hate to get used to using it and then find it carries a heavy price tag after October.

Regards,
Bob


Hi Guys,

Maybe I've missed the advise on the price of this PlugIn come Ocober next but I don't think so. I also checked the 'vendors' site carefully and could not see a price anywhere either. I did see 'Use 3skeng Pipe for FREE until October 2009!' and a flashing 'Free' notice. Its a bit confusing to say the least. I am now under the impression that its a free trial ONLY.

I think Bob has asked a reasonable question which deserves and answer. This thread has now become a mini Beta Testing Center for 3skeng! Also there was NO permission sought to announce this 'commercial'. I am now considering putting it into quarantine until this matter / question is answered
satisfactorily. I will now write to 3skeng and clarify the matter.


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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby Bob James » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:12 am

modelhead,

I don't think I could disagree with you more! I realize you have jillions of posts, but I, for one at least, browse the forum to see what's going on and to see if there are any new plugins that will make my job easier and/or better. My job depends on SketchUp.

When I see something that might be of value to me I try it out. If it shows promise, even if it's not quite finished, I try to find out what doesn't work and/or what I'd like it to do and post my responses.

I don't know how many plugins I have both from Smustard and from the incredibly talented forum posts from Whaat, TIG, thomthom, Foltz, Fredo, Fullmer, Bur, CadFather, Burch, Wilson, etc., etc.

And if folks like SHK want to clue me into some other source for a plugin, I'm all for it. I would never have known about 3skeng's Piping System Plugin if he hadn't posted the URL here.

I really don't see how this is "watering down" our forum.
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby thomthom » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:37 am

Mike Lucey wrote:Maybe I've missed the advise on the price of this PlugIn come Ocober next but I don't think so. I also checked the 'vendors' site carefully and could not see a price anywhere either. I did see 'Use 3skeng Pipe for FREE until October 2009!' and a flashing 'Free' notice. Its a bit confusing to say the least. I am now under the impression that its a free trial ONLY.

I agree that mixing up free with "shareware" or "trialware" is confusing and annoying.

Mike Lucey wrote:Also there was NO permission sought to announce this 'commercial'.

Is it that big of a deal. It was in informational link. I've seen before makers of commercial plugin post announcements only for it to be removed - then hours later a user posts a link and everything is fine. To me it makes no difference to what the source is - new software that are relevant for Sketchup use is of interest.
When developers are active on this forum and communicate directly with us I see that as a good thing. Something I don't want to see discouraged.
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby Bob James » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:46 am

thomthom wrote:When developers are active on this forum and communicate directly with us I see that as a good thing. Something I don't want to see discouraged.


Amen
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby SHK » Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:06 pm

Dear All,

In the past two weeks I unfortunately did not visit the SketchUcation Forum as we are really busy with our 3skeng software development tasks.

I want to answer the open questions as follows:

1) Problems to install 3skeng on a MAC

We are sorry if there are problems installing 3skeng on a MAC. Please send us your feedback to support@3skeng.com so we can help to solve the problem. Please note, that 3skeng for MAC is only available for OS/X and SketchUp 7.


2) Pricing after October 2009

To develop professional software is a relevant investment. We have and we do spend a lot of engineering and software development resources into the 3skeng project.

Our intention to release the free version of 3skeng was first to receive user feedback which will help us to align our software development targets and second to learn about the size of the potential user group which need such a piece of software.

The current status is, that we have received a lot of positive feedback and good ideas, also via the SketchUcation forum – Thank you all!

Regarding the potential number of users we learned that we need to be patient and need to spend effort and money into marketing and advertisement. But in the moment we have to concentrate our full energy into software development.

As in almost every software development project we are fighting with the complexity of unexpected problems. The required time and spending is much higher then planned, the earnings are currently zero. Believe me: This project is a relevant entrepreneurial risk!

All this learning is part of our price calculation. As we are in the middle of the learning curve we are currently not able to define a final price. The 3skeng user group are SketchUp Pro users working professional in the field of engineering with focus on piping systems. We promise to set a reasonable price which will ensure a fast return on invest for our target users.

The pricing will also be subject of the extend of the functions we achieve to implement in the first commercial release of the software. To increase usage value of 3skeng we plan to implement the placement of connectors such as flanges in the workflow, offer a pipe-elbow element which allow to reach much easier a defined piping end point and make the integration of T-pieces in existing pipelines a lot easier. The SketchUp-like user interface is always our highest development target.

3) Should this post be kept in the forum or should it be moved to quarantine?

It seems, that this post is in the middle of a more fundamental discussion. The pro and con arguments are all comprehensible.

Here is our view:

Information about a new software can be valuable for this forum even if published by the author.

It would have been so easy to ask a friend to place this post. I thought it is much more straight forward if I post myself with my real name open and honest.

An information, how to solve a problem with an available product can be a lot more helpful then a faked 5 star product review initiated by the product manufacturer. This is not our marketing style and I hope this will be tolerated in this forum.

If the product is good, I am confident an independent forum member would refer to 3skeng sooner or later. To start this post myself was an acceleration task as we need urgent a better understanding if it is worth to invest into the 3skeng project.

The feedback in this thread is so valuable for us also as we have currently no relation to anyone in this forum.

On the other hand I understand the business model of SketchUcation. For sure is work and is cost money to run such a forum.

If this forum support new upcoming projects, the companies behind will spend in advertisement as soon as they are confident, that their business model will work.

As currently the 3skeng Plugin is for free and as there is no third party advertisement linked to 3skeng there is actual no possibility for any return on invest.

Mike, thank you for your email with the link to the advertise pricelist. Please give us room to breath and time to develop our first commercial Plugin for SketchUp. As soon as this product is ready and we find capacities for marketing we will advertise on Forums.SketchUcation.com!

I would appreciate if my answer is satisfactorily for you and you do not move this post into quarantine.


Regards, Sebastian, SHK
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby thomthom » Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:38 pm

That sounds good to me.
Though, as a 20/20 hindsight remark - it would have beneficial if it was explained clearly from the beginning the plans with keeping the product free until it matures. 1001bit also had/has this model, free versions for the beta testers until the developer found the product mature enough. That was clearly explained so there was no mistaking that it was a commercial product.
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby Mike Lucey » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:08 pm

Hi Sebastian

Welcome to SCF and its great to see that you have placed a name and picture. Its aways much easier to talk to a real person, thank you for this.

Also thanks for updating us on the development status of 3Dskeng. It looks that it will be a fantastic weapon in the Mech and Elec guys arsenal and a great time saver.

I'm a little disappointed at you not being able to give at least a 'ball park' price as I think this would have answered Bob's very early question (above).

However I can fully appreciate the difficulties involved in developing such a plugin but from what I can see and read you will get there in the end.

Regarding my email to you, as you have advised you will clarify here on the forum, I will also do likewise.

Again thanks for the update, much appreciated by all I imagine. And I also imagine we all fully appreciate that in these current financial times it is difficult to have budgets for all kinds of development costs.

The Community Members here that are interested in 3Dskeng would generally appear to be giving it the thumbs up! I am also very glad to learn that you are getting valuable feedback from our Members and as I said in my previous post, its acting like a Mini Beta Testing Forum for 3Dskeng. This is fantastic for all involved. I would like to see much more of this in the future.

Could I suggest the following,

  • You give just a Ball Park Price (approximate) figure. I am sure that you have something in mind.
  • As stated above by me, we appreciate budgets are tight with everything these days. As a goodwill gesture can you take on a number of the guys here, showing interest in 3Dskeng, as Beta Testers with a free license for their efforts when 3Dskeng is launched. I am sure a numeber of our members would be more than willing to help out with MORE valuable feedback.
  • My final suggestion is that you consider looking at the Driving Dimensions business model which offer a limited free version which suits the very casual user and encourages the heavy user to get a pro version. This is a great / fair and well thought out deal for all involved.

:lol: As regards your comments on five star write ups in The Daily CatchUp. We would be delighted to do a Questions and Answers on you and your company. Please PM me and I will get things moving on this straight away. Hey! The Daily CatchUp is not only for the Rich and Mighty, we want to interview all great plugin developers :thumb:

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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby modelhead » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:46 pm

I don't think I could disagree with you more! I


That is ok ..in fact I agree with everything you have said. I would just like a clear separation between pay and no pay. I am suggesting that product announcements continue but in their own unique space. This in fact would make new products easier to find and would keep them away from the member/user motivated posts related to product reviews.
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby thomthom » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:50 pm

modelhead wrote:
I don't think I could disagree with you more! I


That is ok ..in fact I agree with everything you have said. I would just like a clear separation between pay and no pay. I am suggesting that product announcements continue but in their own unique space. This in fact would make new products easier to find and would keep them away from the member/user motivated posts related to product reviews.

I like that idea. :thumb:
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby JClements » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:54 pm

SHK:

I am an illustrator for Brown and Caldwell Environmental Engineers and Consultants. We design and build wastewater treatment plants and do infrastructure repair, upgrades, etc.,(think sewer lines). Piping and ducting is at the heart a lot of what we do.

I showed the plugin in to a design engineer who was quite impressed and keeps asking me about the release of the plugins' "pro" version.

ALSO, they were considering some other things which they may want to have written assuming they would not be included in the "pro" version (as another plugin or perhaps as an option to the baseline "pro" version). This perhaps could be another service which you could provide; custom applications. If you are looking for addition ideas/input to incorporate before final release, I can put you in cantact with this person.

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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby Mike Lucey » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:17 pm

modelhead wrote:
I don't think I could disagree with you more! I


That is ok ..in fact I agree with everything you have said. I would just like a clear separation between pay and no pay. I am suggesting that product announcements continue but in their own unique space. This in fact would make new products easier to find and would keep them away from the member/user motivated posts related to product reviews.


Yeah, I agree with you. Could I suggest that we continue this talk on a new thread and hopefully get more suggestions onboard and then look at how this proposal could be put into action?
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby Coronel » Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:08 pm

thomthom wrote:
modelhead wrote:
I don't think I could disagree with you more! I


That is ok ..in fact I agree with everything you have said. I would just like a clear separation between pay and no pay. I am suggesting that product announcements continue but in their own unique space. This in fact would make new products easier to find and would keep them away from the member/user motivated posts related to product reviews.

I like that idea. :thumb:



I Like it too.

Could I suggest any kind of collaborative effort from people here in the name of the future expansion of SU tools?
I don't know how, but many shareware products often gives discounts or licenses to people betatesting. I was making some localitations to spanish for instance to get some of the shareware (my direct translation to spanish is better than my inverse to english).
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Re: New Piping System Plugin

Postby Bob James » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:50 am

modelhead wrote:I would just like a clear separation between pay and no pay. I am suggesting that product announcements continue but in their own unique space. This in fact would make new products easier to find and would keep them away from the member/user motivated posts related to product reviews.


thomthom wrote:I like that idea. :thumb:


Works for me :thumb:
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