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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby Didier Bur » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:48 pm

Salut Fredo,

The doc is updated in English, and in French (partially translated).


:roflmao: Ah Ah Ah C'est un comble !!! (moi c'est pire je ne traduis pas du tout)

Great great great plugin :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby sepo » Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:02 pm

Fantastic tools.. Thanks very much.
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby Edson » Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:38 pm

Fredo6 wrote:
Edson,

It looks like you have something rescued from version 1.1. Did you delete the older files?

i threw away the entire v1.2 folder. any clues as to which file i should look for?
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby fredo6 » Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:55 pm

Edson,

Check if one of these files is still in the Plugins folder.
  • LibOnSurface.rb
  • OffsetOnSurface.rb
  • LineOnSurface.rb
  • PolygonOnSurface.rb
  • EraserOnSurface.rb
  • PolylineOnSurface.rb.

I am not familiar with how scripts install on Mac, but it seems that you have an old LineonSurface.rb and Offset_on_surface.rb which is active and loaded.
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby Edson » Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:14 pm

Fredo6 wrote:Edson,

Check if one of these files is still in the Plugins folder.
  • LibOnSurface.rb
  • OffsetOnSurface.rb
  • LineOnSurface.rb
  • PolygonOnSurface.rb
  • EraserOnSurface.rb
  • PolylineOnSurface.rb.

I am not familiar with how scripts install on Mac, but it seems that you have an old LineonSurface.rb and Offset_on_surface.rb which is active and loaded.

the 3 first ones were lying around, outside the TOS folder. i deleted them and that did the trick. thanks.
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby CadFather » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:16 pm

i must say i enjoy just looking at the way the plugin draws the shapes with those red lines...

and i noticed if you draw 2 overlapping faces it even knows the intersections! (when drawn on faces)

Thank You and Amazing!! :enlight:
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby urgen » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:00 am

...thanks! :thumb:
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby watkins » Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:11 am

Dear Fredo,

An amazing gift to the Sketchup community. Thank you so much for all your hard work and for your generosity.

Kind regards,
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby rv1974 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:48 am

1. Brilliant! Many thanks.
2. Is there a way to set up number of segments in your curvy tools?
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby Gaieus » Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:03 am

rv1974 wrote:2. Is there a way to set up number of segments in your curvy tools?

Just like with the regular tools: after drawing the circle/polygon, type a number followed by a letter s and hit enter.
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby dylan » Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:27 am

Thanks Fredo, this looks amazing and will be a real help with my modelling :thumb:
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby matteo » Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:28 am

Fredo, your work is incredible.
Thank you for this new release
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby CadFather » Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:19 am

i am getting strange results with circle or rectangle on a sandboxed surface

oops and i can't seem to attach images anymore! (file is not valid) :(
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby arcano » Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:55 am

awesome!!!
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby rv1974 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:11 pm

Gaieus wrote:
rv1974 wrote:2. Is there a way to set up number of segments in your curvy tools?

Just like with the regular tools: after drawing the circle/polygon, type a number followed by a letter s and hit enter.

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Actually I meant afterwards, in entity info window
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby Dave R » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:26 pm

Fredo6 wrote:Edson,

Check if one of these files is still in the Plugins folder.

I am not familiar with how scripts install on Mac, but it seems that you have an old LineonSurface.rb and Offset_on_surface.rb which is active and loaded.


Fredo, this is an amazing set of tools. Thank you.

A question for you. When I first select one of the tools I get a message box indicating that the following files could be removed...

  • LibOnSurface.rb
  • OffsetOnSurface.rb
  • LineOnSurface.rb
  • PolygonOnSurface.rb
  • EraserOnSurface.rb
  • PolylineOnSurface.rb.

But that TOS_Dir and OFS_Dir could not be removed. I have removed those RB files and directories from the Plugins folder. I hadn't removed them before the first time I tried the new set of tools. After seeing that message box the first time, I did remove those files but I still get it the first time after opening SketchUp. Is this message just a normal thing?

You asked about what folks were getting for loading times but I haven't seen the thing I'm supposed to click on to see it.

Thanks again.

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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby Gaieus » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:42 pm

rv1974 wrote:Actually I meant afterwards, in entity info window

THAT didn't work for me either but the VCB input is just fine (at least for me).

The possible cause for not being editable from the entity info is that these entities are not "regular", native SU entities thus they are not editable this way.

There are however immense options available when you edit them while right clicking with the tool during creation for instance.
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby CadFather » Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:13 pm

i upated my icons for TOS - not the best but thought i shared them - basically just place them inside the TOS icons folder overwriting the existing one (you have the originals anyway)

tostools.png


i hope to work more on the cursors and on the small ones as they are not too clear

EDIT: MORE ICONS IN THE POSTS BELOW..
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby fredo6 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:43 pm

Dave R wrote:But that TOS_Dir and OFS_Dir could not be removed. I have removed those RB files and directories from the Plugins folder. I hadn't removed them before the first time I tried the new set of tools. After seeing that message box the first time, I did remove those files but I still get it the first time after opening SketchUp. Is this message just a normal thing?

You asked about what folks were getting for loading times but I haven't seen the thing I'm supposed to click on to see it.

Thanks again.

Dave


Dave,

For the warning message, There was a bug in the initial version posted, but I fixed it and reloaded yesterday 12 Jul around 1pm. I am not sure, but if you downloaded before, it is wise to take the latest version. Sorry for inconvenience.

For the script load time, go to the menu 'Tools>Tools On Surface>About...' It is shown in the dialog box.

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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby fredo6 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:46 pm

Gaieus wrote:
rv1974 wrote:Actually I meant afterwards, in entity info window

THAT didn't work for me either but the VCB input is just fine (at least for me)/quote]

Gaieus,

You're probably right that the entity info is maybe reserved to the native Sketchup shape. Actually, I have no clue what to do in Ruby to catch a change in this Entity window. But if someone knows....

Normally all modifications can be done right after the shape is generated (and of course while drawing it). This applies to distance, angle, rings and nb of segments.

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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby Dave R » Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:53 pm

Thank you sir. I'm sure I didn't get the updated version but I will.
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby plot-paris » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:07 pm

fredo, I am simply blown away by your tools. they work so smooth (much smoother than before that is). really great! thank you so much. SketchUp is raised to another level!!! :ecstatic:

CadFather, thanks for the icons. I really like them, very elegant. :thumb:
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby Gaieus » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:48 pm

Actually the offset tool is so much more superior to the native one (due to its correction features) that I love it!

One thing to improve maybe (and for me to really remove the "Draw" toolbar of native SU): could the line tool - after creating a closed loop of edges - form a face in 2D as well? I mean without drawing on an already existing face/surface?

BTW - I now have a totally new row of toolbars (almost) exclusively occupied by the "Fredo Tools"! :D
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby Stu » Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:54 pm

Fredo,
Thanks again!.
I am, however having trouble with that popup at start.
After you mentioned the bug I deleted any older TOS files and re-installed and unzipped the latest folder.
On my XP machine all is fine, except that I still get the popup on opening the session.
On my Vista laptop when I do the same, the TOS tool bar has vanished in SU [and is not visible either in the Plugin Folder after unzipping]....but is able to be accessed via the 'Tools' drop down menu....still with the popup at the start.

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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby fredo6 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:04 pm

Gaieus wrote:One thing to improve maybe (and for me to really remove the "Draw" toolbar of native SU): could the line tool - after creating a closed loop of edges - form a face in 2D as well? I mean without drawing on an already existing face/surface?


Don't do that too quickly! There still a huge gap with the native Sketchup tools:
  • Creation of faces when lines are drawn: I am working on it, but it is rather tricky
  • Moving and deforming faces when doing an offset. My offset tool does not do that
  • In order to keep track of edges 'on surface' for later contour edition, i assign them a small attribute string (about 10-15 characters). If your entire model is made out of lines and shapes on Surface, you will increase the file size. I plan to have a small tool to perform a clean up
  • The tools are primarily designed to work on a surface. I just tried to make them behave 'honestly' when there is no surface, but this is just a side effect. By the way, I still have a lot of issues to resolve when lines or shapes are drawn on a mix of surface and non-surface.
Clearly Google could do a much better work, because it would be compiled code, and taking benefit of all the internal geometry representation they have, which is incompletely exposed via the Ruby API.

I'm glad anyway that you find the scripts useful and I apprecaite your feedback.

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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby fredo6 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:11 pm

Stu wrote:Fredo,
Thanks again!.
I am, however having trouble with that popup at start.
After you mentioned the bug I deleted any older TOS files and re-installed and unzipped the latest folder.
On my XP machine all is fine, except that I still get the popup on opening the session.
On my Vista laptop when I do the same, the TOS tool bar has vanished in SU [and is not visible either in the Plugin Folder after unzipping]....but is able to be accessed via the 'Tools' drop down menu....still with the popup at the start.

Stu


Stu,

The message warning should be fixed in the version currently attached to the main message of this thread. If it appears, it should be because you still have the old files "xxxOnSurface.rb" in your Pligins folder.

For the toolbar, did you check if the scripts are nebaled in the Windows>Preferences>Extension menu (as the tools now install as a Sketchup extension)?
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby watkins » Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:30 pm

Dear Fredo6,

I am unable to use the option 'Done' when using the line tool. I am assuming that 'Done' terminates line drawing, but then again, perhaps I should read the help file before writing this message. I have to use Escape to stop line drawing. Have I overlooked something?

A useful addition would be the ability to select the line-type option when using the pie tool (plain or construction).

The tools are brilliant. Thanks!

Regards,
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby fredo6 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:42 pm

watkins wrote:I am unable to use the option 'Done' when using the line tool. I am assuming that 'Done' terminates line drawing, but then again, perhaps I should read the help file before writing this message. I have to use Escape to stop line drawing. Have I overlooked something?


Line on Surface is like its native cousin. The tool remains active until you change to another tool or back to selection. I provide chaining of segments, as does Skecthup (but if you draw with the Click-Drag-Release mode, there is no chaining). The "Done" menu is just to terminate the current line, and of course, start a new one, not to exit the tool. Escape does not exit either, but just allow choosing another origin (again like in native Sketchup). So just use Space or a short cut for other tools to exit the LineOnSurface tool.

watkins wrote:A useful addition would be the ability to select the line-type option when using the pie tool (plain or construction)

Just hit F2 or Ctrl Alone and you'll toggle between plain lines and construction lines. This method works for all tools, including Offset.

Hope this helps
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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby Daniel S » Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:58 pm

I had the same problem of watkins. I think that the problem is because the contruction lines is working only for curved faces. If you want the construction lines of the tools on a planar face it dosen´t work.
I attach a image to try to explain these. In the two faces I try to put tools with construction lines.

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Re: [Plugin] Tools On Surface - v1.3 (more shapes, inference)

Postby CadFather » Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:33 am

goooodness me Fredo.. how many cursors in this plugin! :shock: (could they impact on loading speed?)

anyway, at 1am - with divorce proceedings well under way - i have finished icons and cursor - both for small and large toolbar (16, 24) [plus an extra set] - again just place them in your "...\Plugins\TOS_Dir_13" folder, overwriting all files".

@Plot-Paris, thanks, glad they can be of use :D
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