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I know of no better place to ask

Postby CJRyan » Fri May 31, 2019 2:44 am

Hello again!

I have a pair of Jacobean chairs, that have been in my family for I'm guessing maybe 140 years or so.

Two part question.

One, I'd love to have more information about them. My great grandparents immigrated to the USA from Ireland in the late 1800s'. I don't know whether they brought these chairs with them or bought them after they arrived. So I'm looking for a bit more history on this style of Jacobean chair than I've been able to find.

Two, I've tried to model them and had zero success. Does anyone have thoughts as to how I could accomplish it? Specifically the carved parts.

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Re: I know of no better place to ask

Postby Dave R » Fri May 31, 2019 3:26 am

Interesting chairs you've got. I'm not overly familiar with that style but I wonder if there are any sort of maker's marks on them.

As for drawing that chair, of course I'd take copious measurements. For the carved bits I might make sort of rubbings with graphite on paper and then scan them and import the images into SU to trace with tools from Fredo6's BZ_Spline. You could work out the height differences in the carvings and use Curviloft or TIG's Extrusion Tools to create the surfaces. I'd measure the chair in millimeters and model it in meters.
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Re: I know of no better place to ask

Postby CJRyan » Fri May 31, 2019 3:47 am

That's a good question Dave, the makers mark one. I've seen these chairs for sixty plus years, but I've never looked. I will!

I did add a SU file that I've played with. I have tried curviloft to no avail.
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Re: I know of no better place to ask

Postby Dave R » Fri May 31, 2019 3:50 am

Maybe I'll have time to look at your file tomorrow. If you want to send me one of the chairs, I'll see what I can do with it. :D
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Re: I know of no better place to ask

Postby CJRyan » Fri May 31, 2019 5:08 am

"I'll see what I can do with it." For one thing, you could sit on it.

Even given its age, I've never seen them as museum pieces.

On occasion, rather large folks have sat on them and Kay and I used them as props while we had our photography studio.

But if you're willing to pay the insurance, packing and shipping fees, I'd be happy to let you have a look!
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Re: I know of no better place to ask

Postby HornOxx » Fri May 31, 2019 10:57 am

"...I know of no better place to ask" which is a nice comliment to the forum here - thanks!

Hi Ryan - these are so great chairs :thumb: and aside from the fact that I'm not an antiques specialist, it's great to have them preserved and to use such precious old family items at all :D

I gave the decorations, which I think are the difficult part here, a quick & dirty try using SubD which works fine and pretty fast and I think this could be a way for you? (PS - could you please save down your skp above to a somthing earlier version please?)


[ :D to send Dave one chair is not a good idea - better is to send ME all the chairs! :D ]
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Re: I know of no better place to ask

Postby CJRyan » Fri May 31, 2019 3:15 pm

HornOxx wrote:"... these are so great chairs


Thank you HornOxx, and your subD example looks like it might be part of the solution.

Here's the file saved back to SU6 so even pilou should be able to open it.

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Re: I know of no better place to ask

Postby HornOxx » Fri May 31, 2019 3:50 pm

CJRyan wrote:...saved back to SU6 so even pilou should be able to open it
:D :thumb: :D so funny ! :D
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Re: I know of no better place to ask

Postby davidheim1 » Fri May 31, 2019 4:29 pm

Several years ago, Dave Richards explained how to model a Greek column capital using (I think) the Curve Maker plugin. It was a post on Fine Woodworking's "Design. Click. Build." blog. That might work if SubD doesn't. I searched the site but couldn't find the post. Maybe Dave can provide a link.
As for researching the history of the chairs, I have three suggestions:
One, the Furniture Study center at the Yale University Art Gallery (https://artgallery.yale.edu/furniture-study). The center specializes in American furniture, but one of the curators may be able to steer you to other resources.

Ditto the Henry R. Luce center for American Art at the Metropolitan Museum, in New York City. (metmuseum.org).

Third, call the Furniture Institute of Massachusetts and speak with its founder, Philip C. Lowe. Phil is a master restorer and quite knowledgeable about furniture styles. (http://furnituremakingclasses.com).

Hope this helps.
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Postby Dave R » Fri May 31, 2019 4:34 pm

David, I wonder if you are thinking of the ascending volute.
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Re: I know of no better place to ask

Postby CJRyan » Fri May 31, 2019 6:57 pm

As always, thank you, gentlemen, for the help.

Thank you, davidheim1 for the links to those three resources.

DaveR, I've just finished watching your "Fine Woodworking" video over on youtube. Nice presentation! So thank you also.

I seem to be having a fair degree of success with HornOxx's suggestion of using subD, thanks to his model getting me going in the right direction. So thank you, sir, also!

DaveR, I looked and found no makers marks. I did discover that the original seat was caned. although it's always been upholstered during the 67 years I've known it.

So thanks again!

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Re: I know of no better place to ask

Postby davidheim1 » Fri May 31, 2019 9:42 pm

Dave R's blog on the ascending volute is the one I had in mind.
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Re: I know of no better place to ask

Postby CJRyan » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:11 am

While I've not had the chance to look into the resources that DavidH gave me.

I have found this https://www.bidsquare.com/online-auctions/ahlers-ogletree/pair-of-jacobean-stained-oak-hall-chairs-17th-c-495968, which suggests that these chairs might be even older than I thought.
I find it hard to believe they could be a hundred years older than I thought.
And compared to these chairs, mine are in pristine condition.
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Re: I know of no better place to ask

Postby L i am » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:19 am

I think there is one better place to ask....

https://designaddict.com/community/
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Re: I know of no better place to ask

Postby CJRyan » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:39 am

Thank you, Liam I will give that a shot.
From perusing the site, I've not seen many requests for furniture as old as what I'm asking. But who knows.
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