20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby rv1974 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:49 am


After watching this vid back in 2009 we all (following your logic) should hurry up to switch from PS to Frankenstein Gimp-like soft
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby chippwalters » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:40 am

A new tutorial on how Blender's navigation is almost identical to SketchUp's.

BTW, are these videos of value? I was planning on creating a whole series based on SketchUp's current interface and how it maps to Blenders. If they are offending anyone, then I can just post them on YouTube and not here.

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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby Bob James » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:42 am

rv1974 wrote:After watching this vid back in 2009 we all (following your logic) should hurry up to switch from PS to Frankenstein Gimp-like soft


Better yet: low-cost Affinity Photo :fro:
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby srx » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:54 am

rv1974 wrote:After watching this vid back in 2009 we all (following your logic) should hurry up to switch from PS to Frankenstein Gimp-like soft


Well, pretty much. :)
Krita, Affinity Photo, and now GIMP with 32bit workflow...
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby Stinkie » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:53 am

This might be of interest to some. I haven't bought it, so I cannot comment on the quality.

https://www.udemy.com/architectural-design-animation-in-blender-3d-graphics/
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby db11 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:18 am

chippwalters wrote:BTW, are these videos of value? I was planning on creating a whole series based on SketchUp's current interface and how it maps to Blenders. If they are offending anyone, then I can just post them on YouTube and not here.


Definitely of value. I had downloaded Blender a couple of versions back and started playing with it, then got busy and dropped it. A big part of the learning curve is knowing what applies from what you already know and what doesn't –– kind of like switching from Windows to MacOS or vice versa.

I'd love to finally learn Blender — not as a replacement for SU (at least, not yet) — but as a complement — and your videos help map a simpler path to proficiency for current SU users. I can't imagine why anyone would be offended by you posting them here, but if they are then I'll follow you to YouTube.
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby alpro » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:50 am

chippwalters wrote:
BTW, are these videos of value? I was planning on creating a whole series based on SketchUp's current interface and how it maps to Blenders. If they are offending anyone, then I can just post them on YouTube and not here.


Keep them coming
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby chippwalters » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:16 am

Thanks. I'll keep posting. New video on using the Move tool.
I really want to get the basics out of the way so I can start to work on modeling strategies and how they differ from SketchUp to Blender. I'm really fortunate to have a friend who is one of the top modelers in the Blender world: https://www.artstation.com/jerryperkins1447

While it might not be everybody's cup of tea, he does know all the ins and outs of the application. And he's also creator of HardOps and BoxCutter, two amazingly cool tools for modeling.

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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby chippwalters » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:56 am

Rotate tute now up and available:

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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby faust07 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:15 am

I also think that I am slowly getting to the technical limits of the simulation and animation possibilities in SketchUp and that such ventures could well be continued with Blender, Unity or Unreal. That's why I like to watch how savvy SketchUp users show these ways. Thanks Chipp!
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby chippwalters » Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:39 am

Jerry (aka masterXeon1001) just showed me some truly amazing boolean stuff where they put objects onto/into very curved Blender surfaces and automatically adjusted the normals so that there is zero artifacting. Amazing!



and this one is especially cool because at the end of the video, he deconstructs the object back into a cube!

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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby numerobis » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:16 pm

chippwalters wrote:It would be cool to build a "SketchUp" like GUI for Blender. There are already push/pull plugins which work surprisingly well.


Yes, this would be great. But i think one big problem will be the inference engine, so i don't expect it to happen.
(I would also like to see Sketchup or the main features of SU as plugin for 3dsmax - payed plugin would be ok, even if the price would be around the full SU price...)
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby Mike Amos » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:49 am

Thanks Chip, those video's are much appreciated.
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby david. » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:36 pm

I'm not planning on buying anymore SU Pro updates. Especially after seeing this thread. SU has been languishing for years. Layout has had no significant improvement in performance. It is amazingly slow on my I7 PC, even for relatively simple models. Why??? That's just not acceptable. With all the other alternatives (like Blender) out there, why should I continue to throw money at SU. SU is like an orphan going from foster parent to foster parent. I'll continue to use 2018, but no more updates. I have written and can write my own plugins if needed.
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby Mike Amos » Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:23 am

I get the impression that Trimble are less than committed to Sketchup as a product in its own right. Unless there is a proper rewrite to address some basic and long standing problems I can see Sketchup fading away. A proper shame, perhaps it will become a plugin for other Trimble products.
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby chippwalters » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:12 am

Another video, this one on the Scale tool. While it's a bit more difficult than SU's, the new Blender 2.8 (coming this fall) has a scale tool just like SketchUp. It also has palettes with buttons like SketchUp as well. Still, learning this version is good as all the shortcut keys are pretty much the same. Most translates.

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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby rv1974 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:56 am

Some primitive questions here:
1. how do you rescale precisely (say I want the table leg width 3cm)?
2. rescale with reference?
3. scaling with axis being messed up?
4. How to input multiplying factor say 2 or .5 in Z axis?
5. I guess, after scaling the textures get distorted. Is there way to restore 'real-world texture scale' easily?
6. Say I have a window in the wall. To rescale it and at the same time to keep original frame parameters, I use Takahata's 'Stretch by area' (too lazy to deal with dynamic components). This tool can move vertices regardless the context. In other words it can stretch frame+glass+window opning simulteneosly. Is there something similar in Blender?
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby chippwalters » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:19 am

To answer some of your questions will require I talk about the next tutorial which has to do with objects and groups. But a quick answer for how to move a face to another face, you can just move with a snap mode set:



And as far as numeric control goes, it's just exactly like SketchUp, while you're in the move, rotate or scale mode, you just type in the number you're wanting it move/rotate/scale the object/vertices/edges/faces.

And moving vertices is easy in Blender (as is move faces and edges)...just Ctrl-Tab into vertex mode and select (Ctrl+right mouse button to lasso) and move. Note to select hidden vertices, you need to be in wireframe mode-- or check a setting which allows you to select hidden vertices. I prefer toggling back in forth in wireframe mode by just tapping the Z key.



My friend Jerry did this quick anim to show you moving to verts. Keep in mind, in Blender you DON'T WANT TO SCALE your base object unless you have to as it's easier to work in Edit mode. In SketchUp terms, you'd rather NOT scale Groups but the stuff inside a group. It will be explained in the next video.



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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby chippwalters » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:23 am

New tute: Some really cool Navigation tricks. This one is short: 2 1/2 minutes long but has two great tricks!

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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby chippwalters » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:20 am

Here's the Edit Mode, Objects and Groups in Blender video.

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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby rv1974 » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:44 pm

$.02: To reset group scale\rotation use TT's 'Group to component', then reset scale\rotation easily (there're at least 3 plugins)
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby Glenn at home » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:45 pm

Great info Chipp. Thanks for sharing :)
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby chippwalters » Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:18 am

rv1974 wrote:$.02: To reset group scale\rotation use TT's 'Group to component', then reset scale\rotation easily (there're at least 3 plugins)


That's a great tip! Not sure why it's not found somewhere in the standard interface?

For now at least I'm trying to work with vanilla Blender and not trying to compare SketchUp plugins vs Blender addons. It's just too big a job-- though I may use some of the obvious ones to make a point (like Fredo's radius tool).

Like SketchUp, I know Blender also has a whole community devoted to different addons to do unique things.
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby Collage Architecture » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:36 am

With the development of Blender 2.80,It will be a very decent dcc for different group of audience like 3d Hobbiest,Educator,,Game Creator,Cartoon maker...and most importantly,even architects can benefit from the awesome realtime engine.
just check out the link: https://code.blender.org/2016/12/the-blender-101-project-and-you/

I am just so amazed to see so many people donate to Code Quset Event,so glad to see many talented developers from all over the world working together in Armsterdam to make software better tool for artists.

For people who want to do archviz in a more serious dcc,I would suggest Blender.If you have any doubts about whether Blender is production ready for your Archviz work,I am very pleased to give you some information regarding this.

1.Assests:Aseests include Furniture,Decoration,Foliage are key ingredient for photorealistc renderings.Just like Evermotion or CGAxis,there is a website: http://www.chocofur.com/ who provides professional 3d assests ready for both Cycles Render and Corona Render in Blender.Even in Evermotion store,there are several products ready for Cycles render in Blender.

2.Textures:If you need textures/materials,there is https://www.poliigon.com which provide textures produced by photoscan technique and Substance Designer,Ready to be used in both offline render(Cycles Corona etc) and realtime(EEVEE),with really good subscription price,most importantly,after subscription expired,you still own these textures.

3.Render Engine:There are very professional render engine like Vray Render,Corona Render,Thea Render,Octane Render,Renderman and Redshift which are really professional software with huge user base.If you don't want to invest money,I think native Cycles render is already enough for production usage.

4.Addons:There are really awesome addons which Chipp has talked about like Meshmachine and Decal machine,Hardops and boxcutter.These addons are boolean based workflow for fast concept art drawing.Though the model created from these addons does not come with ideal topology,they do have proper UV layout for texturing later on in Substance Painter which looks really insane.

Apart from the addons above.there are lots of great addons which is professional,user-friendly,fun to work with.

[Tree assests creating]:There is a really awesome plugin which can grow realistic tree called Grove3d(https://www.thegrove3d.com/),a huge competitor for Growfx in 3dsmax platform.

[Grass creater]:Just like skatter for Sketchup,there is also an addon available called Graswald which comes with varied kinds of grass ready to be scattered,and a user interface easy to play with,the most important is the assests from Graswald are PBR ready means you can start directly in Cycles render and Eevee.

[Architecture modeling]:There is archimesh which Chipp already mentioned eariler,apart from archimesh,there is a very powerful addon called archipack,the best feature for archipack is there are lots of presets for differnt part of architecture like stairs fence railing floor wall windows doors and cabinet.And thanks to freestyle rendering,you can have something similar to Sketchup Layout right inside blender.Pleas e check the youtube link,you will be suprised https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCecdw78pgsch0FWaNhdwbgg

[Fluid Simulation]There is also professional fluid simulator called
FlipFluid(https://blendermarket.com/products/flipfluids),however it is a $ addon.If you don't want to spend money than you can just stick to native Fluid simulator which is also quite decent(https://www.blender.org/conference/2017/presentations/358).

[City Generator]If you want realistic city than you can check out SceneCity(https://www.cgchan.com/) which is under development,a strong competetor for ghostown.
just check out blender market,there are so many nice addons which aimed at professional.


5.Megascans import:In Blender you can have easy access to Megascan,which is really famous right now to add photoscan assests really quickly in your scene,best way to add realism to your stills and animations.And I am really confused why there is no native obj/fbx importer in Sketchup?Why we have to spend another 79 dollars to get the function which a open-source software support?

6.UV unwrapingIn Blender there comes really nice UV support,if you want to texture your model in substance painter and send to Unreal engine,I believe Blender the right way to go.


But I think Sketchup is the best out of all in the aspects of really quick push-pull workflow,with precise control of dimensions and don't have to worry about topology.I think nobody can beat Sketchup in this aspects(though there are some competitors like rocket3f).I won't drop Sketchup as the user friendly enviormnet for architecture modeling and most importantly there are so many nice plugins from ThomThom,TIG and Fredo and developers all over the world.Who can resist the power of Profile Builder? I don't think so.
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby chippwalters » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:32 am

Thanks Limshigan for your great architectural modeling review for Blender. Very helpful!
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby Stinkie » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:11 pm

Collage Architecture wrote:https://www.poliigon.com


Their stuff is indeed superb. Wholeheartedly recommended. :thumb:
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby chippwalters » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:07 pm

New video showing you how to accurately create dimensioned drawings and models in Blender using their version of the pencil tool and a background template.

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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby chippwalters » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:26 am

New Tute-- this one is about taking the lines (edges) created from the blueprint of the last tutorial and converting them magically into walls. :grinning:

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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby rv1974 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:12 am

Sorry but my impression is that this stage architectural modelling in Blender is a refined torture. The more Blender promos I see , the more I appreciate SU existance (with all its bottle necks).
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Re: 20 Reasons for SketchUp artists to consider Blender

Postby chippwalters » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:01 am

rv1974 wrote:Sorry but my impression is that this stage architectural modelling in Blender is a refined torture. The more Blender promos I see , the more I appreciate SU existance (with all its bottle necks).


I have not shown the Architectural addons for Blender, which make things much simpler. Also, Blender's modifiers can cut through a solid wall, whereas SketchUp can only cut through a surface. This becomes most problematic in SU when trying to insert doors and window components but is a breeze in Blender.

For now I'm focusing on just the basics. I use SketchUp for much more than architectural 3D and so I don't require as much from Blender in terms of architectural prowess. Still, you should look at some of the amazing Architectural addons for Blender. They can do a lot!

Here's a new tutorial on rendering inside of Blender with Cycles, a free non-biased renderer like Thea.

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