POLL: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Do architects and engineers in your country dimension in m or mm?

Both use m
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Both use mm
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Architects m, engineers mm
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Architects mm, engineers m
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POLL: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby Ecuadorian » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:15 pm

Thanks to fellow forum member TIG, I found out that not all architects in metric countries dimension their plans in meters: It turns out in the UK they do so in millimeters. In Ecuador it's the other way around: Architects dimension in meters and engineers do so in millimeters.

How's the situation in your country?
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Re: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby jiminy-billy-bob » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:16 pm

In France, I always saw centimeters in architecture offices.
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Re: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby TIG » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:30 pm

I agree.
Most of the EU [Ill advisedly] use cm for architecture - I'm not sure about engineers/surveyors. but I suspect m ?

In the UK [and Ireland at least?] and probably some other locales [AU/NZ/SA ?] it's always mm for architects - avoiding decimal cm...

So your survey options need to be expanded accordingly !?
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Re: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby Pixero » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:21 am

In Sweden it's millimeter.
Landscape architects often use meter.
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Postby juju » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:05 pm

South Africa, for architecture & engineering, it is mm, but land surveyor here often use m.
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Re: POLL: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby Ecuadorian » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:27 pm

Thanks everyone for your replies so far.

So far, architects dimension their plans in:

Meters:
Ecuador, Mexico (and maybe the rest of Latin America).

Centimeters:
France (and maybe most of the EU)

Milimeters:
UK, Ireland, South Africa, Sweden (and maybe AU and NZ)

Isn't there some kind of international standard for this? There should be, somewhere...
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Re: POLL: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby Paul Russam » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:07 pm

I’m surprised about cm’s being used professionally, I’d always thought of them as being for children and civilians.
Cm’s are useful as they can be ‘seen’ and touched when in 3D form (I remember wooden coloured sticks when I was a kid we used to learn about lengths/volumes) but the idea of using them in a professional environment seems very odd.
Whenever I’ve had to oversee some 17 year old oink who thinks they’re the bees knees when it comes to designing I end up spending most of my time trying to get them to understand mm.
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Re: POLL: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby jiminy-billy-bob » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:23 am

Why is it that odd? It's just a matter of convention after all.
Plus, I can see where it comes from : cm is pretty much the precision scale in architecture. You cannot build a building with a millimeter precision. The best you can do is around one cm.
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Re: POLL: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby kimi kimi » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:41 am

As long as I'm not using feet and inches everything is fine.
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Re: POLL: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby rodman100 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:12 am

Sit Surveyors always measure plots in m's and produce site drawings in m's in UK/Ireland as the Ordnance Survey National Grid reference system is in meters. However when architects get these drawings they often scale up the drawing by X1000 as they use mm's, thus destroying the integrity of the grid. This drawing is then sent on to the setting out engineer with a very odd Grid reference system!
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Re: POLL: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby Hieru » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:19 am

I mostly work with UK architects. Supplied dwgs tend to be labelled in metres, but drawn in millimetres.

When discussing changes with architects they often switch between m, mm or cm - depending on which aspect of the design is being discussed.

I personally prefer to model in cm.
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Re: POLL: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby Ecuadorian » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:57 pm

Hey, Hieru. That's something I've also seen...

Sometimes some people use AutoCAD units that don't match the units for dimension. For example, an engineer once sent me a plan where 1 AutoCAD unit = 1m, but it was dimensioned in mm. All other plans this engineer sent me were both drawn and dimensioned in mm. And yes, these inconsistencies can be a headache... Not with SketchUp files, but with AutoCAD files.
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Re: POLL: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby Hieru » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:39 pm

Yes, a real headache! I can count on one hand the number of architects I've worked with who produce faultless and consistent drawings.
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Re: POLL: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby TIG » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:52 pm

In the UK...

Older people are imperial - feet/inches/lbs - many can also think in metric...
Younger people are metric - m/cm/kg - but many will still think in '/" for heights, miles for distances/speeds and stones/lbs for personal-weights
For almost 50 years the construction industry has used mm for all key setting out dimensions [architects/engineers] - unless very large dims - like master-planning when m is used.
For setting out m co-ords are usual - because of surveyor connections...
However, surveyors of both land and quantities always use metres.
Civil-engineers 'fall between two stools' ! Land in m and detailed structures in mm !!
'Commercial' surveyors like dual-units for areas - sq'/sqm and acres/hectares !
Because of longstanding imperial heritage things like domestic door-leaves are still made/available to standard imperial sizes - dual-labeled in mm and ".
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Re: POLL: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby utiler » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:48 am

In Australia, mm for everything.
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Re: POLL: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby erikB » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:51 am

Belgium
Architects : cm
Engineers : mm
Contractors : both

it's complicated :)

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Re: POLL: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby db11 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:50 pm

In Canada (officially metric, but stubbornly imperial in much of AEC industries), it's bloody complicated!:

Architects: ft-in, or ft-in & mm
Contractors: ft-in
Engineers: mm
Surveyors: m
Interior Designers: ft-in
Cabinet shops: mostly mm (32 mm Euro), old-school still use in
Furniture makers: in
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Re: POLL: Meters or Millimeters in your country?

Postby Ecuadorian » Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:35 pm

Wow! Canada certainly takes the cake here in messed up combination of measurements!

I just googled "32mm Euro"... Thanks for sharing that!
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