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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby juju » Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:26 pm

Mike Amos wrote:More concerned with the Kims and their stupidity. They keep pushing like a teenager wanting to be up to all sorts without limit. THIS will be the crunch point as the US and PRC will be pushed into some kind of strike. Soon.

I just saw that Kim Jong-un's half-brother (Kim Jong-nam) has been murdered, suspiciously utelizing typical North Korean methods.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Mike Lucey » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:57 pm

I read that Trump should have told Flynn to apologise and Pence to shut up! He did neither! Its only a matter of time now before the Deep State have him up for impeachment.

As one prominent US commentator said, the only way for the US people to take back control of government is via revolution! I feel he might well be correct in his assessment as the military / security industrial complex is not likely to forfeit their $T budget any time soon.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Mike Amos » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:33 am

The USAF is pushing for another seven fighter squadrons and the US navy is only able to complete deployments by stripping returning ships of spare parts. The issue of refits for surface ships and submarines is dire with refits delayed by years which then pushes these refit costs skyward. This cannot continue but the defence contractors and procurement divisions have wasted trillions of dollars already. Just like our governments make waste to make profits and nice little earners for senior management. Did anyone hear of the B-52 that lost an engine in flight? http://www.popularmechanics.com/militar ... in-flight/ .
I actually think the Trumpster got the military angle right, too much waste of money that SHOULD go to other recipient purposes but I agree with Mike, the military senior brass and the defence contractors will be looking to take Trumpster down as soon as they can.
To those who think things should go back to the pre Trump ways, a weak US is a bad thing for all concerned as a insular US will not only remove a defence backbone from NATO, it will leave Europe vulnerable too, seeing that we are leaving the EU and the rest do not pay their way in defence terms. If you look at the subsidies given to the defence companies in the rest of europe, why is it that the UK alone abides by the EU which states these companies should NOT be subsidised? Why is it that the french government shored up the french car companies against an EU ruling, and got away with it? The UK would not be given that opportunity. Rover is NOT the only UK car company to go down the swannee river.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Mike Lucey » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:05 pm

Mike Amos wrote:To those who think things should go back to the pre Trump ways, a weak US is a bad thing for all concerned as a insular US will not only remove a defence backbone from NATO, it will leave Europe vulnerable too, seeing that we are leaving the EU and the rest do not pay their way in defence terms.


I don't think Trump intended to make the USA insular. Did he not say that he wanted to make it more of a trading nation rather than a military force or words along these lines?

Maybe I am naive, but since the break up of the USSR was there a need for NATO? From my reading the USSR was broken trying to keep up a military budget that matched the USA. They couldn't and this is why things went pear shaped for them. This now appears to be happening to the USA with its $20T budget black hole only backed by the Petro Dollar which they will defend until the last and have been doing over the past 20 years.

The USA needs to get out of the downward spiral that they were placed in by Tricky Dickie and Henry K and get back to basics, which they are very good at!

The so called reasoning for NATO, from what I can see, is that it was put in place to counter the communist threat but Stalin got rid of the communist branch that wanted total global communism and seemed to be content with the USSR's size as it was.

Again, the EU was mainly set up to keep peace between Germany and France also England to some extent. This objective is now obsolete! The Common Market trading arrangement (EEC) worked well but the idea of a United States of Europe is a non-runner and we are now seeing this to be the case.

Mike Amos wrote:If you look at the subsidies given to the defence companies in the rest of europe, why is it that the UK alone abides by the EU which states these companies should NOT be subsidised? Why is it that the french government shored up the french car companies against an EU ruling, and got away with it? The UK would not be given that opportunity. Rover is NOT the only UK car company to go down the swannee river.


The UK should never have agreed to more than EEC membership. That would have been enough for them to continue as a productive country. However when these self preservationist politicians get involved, they do what they do best, create more power for themselves and their masters, not their constituents.

The quicker the Sheeple wake up and embrace Direct Democracy the better things will be for all. Oh!, not all, the Globalist Masters wouldn't be happy .... too bad about that! They will have to make a living of their own sweat like the rest of us!
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby pbacot » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:32 pm

I think you touched the main reason nothing's going to work, Mike. It's the entrenched military-industrial complex. Though our laws should prevent it, the profiteers run the government. They have armies of lawyers, lobbyists, and accountants and whole corporations to work 24/7 running over the rest of us. "We" (those who care <50% of the electorate, probably <25% of the total population --counting disenfranchised) vote, and might write our congressman or march on Saturday morning. There's no contest.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Stinkie » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:04 am

This too, one cannot make up.

The president of the US, arguably the most powerful man in the world, relies on Fox News for international intel.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Pixero » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:52 pm

Yeah, and no one here in Sweden knows what he is talking about.

This is what really happened in Sweden that night: http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/Vn17J
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Stinkie » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:35 pm

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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Mike Lucey » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:06 am

Jeeeez, Stinkie, that Border Wall IKEA flatpack looks to be a 'one man job' as it comes with just one screw turn :shock:
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby juju » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:41 am

Mike Lucey wrote:Jeeeez, Stinkie, that Border Wall IKEA flatpack looks to be a 'one man job' as it comes with just one screw turn :shock:

It's all about responsibility and job security... ;)
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Mike Amos » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:00 pm

That wall is unlikely to keep anyone out. A short paddle and they are in. Are they going to follow the Russian and East German example and put minefields in place? They are going to have to force the issue in the courts by tracking down and forcibly removing every single illegal before a message gets through that it will not be tolerated. Not an easy thing to do. What then for children of illegals that are born in the USA? Technically they have a right to stay. This will run and run.

PS, not your wall Stinkie, the real one. Yours looks more reasonable cost wise and just as tough.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Stinkie » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:18 pm

Mike Amos wrote:That wall is unlikely to keep anyone out.


True. It'll prove an effective way of wasting vast amounts of money, though.

Mike Amos wrote:PS, not your wall Stinkie, the real one. Yours looks more reasonable cost wise and just as tough.


:mrgreen: :thumb:

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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby liam887 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:36 pm

Tomorrow, maybe we can all just start again somewhere else haha: https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa ... lar-system

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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby pbacot » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:57 pm

liam887 wrote:Tomorrow, maybe we can all just start again somewhere else haha: https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa ... lar-system

Dr. Brand: We're not meant to save the world. We're meant to leave it, and this is the mission you were trained for.


The latest today is the (not unexpected) step-up in enforcement on undocumented immigrants. They will be asking Congress (i.e. the taxpayer) for more money. They will be detaining people caught at the border. So this will create more security jobs and prison construction. Imagine all the sweetheart deals with billionaires to throw money at this and the wall. Imagine the nightmare of locking up men women and children from various foreign countries in detention centers.

All part of the plan. No immigration reform, build detention centers and walls. No two state solution. Build the settlements, concentration camps, and prisons.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby pbacot » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:08 am

liam887 wrote:Tomorrow, maybe we can all just start again somewhere else haha: https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa ... lar-system

Dr. Brand: We're not meant to save the world. We're meant to leave it, and this is the mission you were trained for.


I'm ready to be shot into space, whatever.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby baz » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:30 am

This picture is most def worth a thousand words...


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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Mike Lucey » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:07 am

A thought provoking article here,

'A new model of climate change for the anthropocene epoch'
http://www.treehugger.com/climate-chang ... epoch.html

Here is something that struck a cord,

"To see how broader integration is essential, take this example: if we educate women birth rates fall and population growth slows. Education would not be selected as a priority influence in current climate models which do not "couple" social factors with climate outcomes, but could be analyzed more fully in Earth System Models. Perhaps money currently spent subsidizing electric cars would be better spent in educational outreach?"

I think that there is something fishy about the carbon tax we have here in the EU. Big Government have for years been trying to figure out a way of taxing fresh air and this carbon tax is a start. What concerns me is where does this tax go and what way is it spent.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Mike Amos » Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:26 pm

There is little doubt that the carbon tax is just another con, every time something new comes along there is an associated tax on it. Looking at the way things are going, how ;long before we get even larger taxes on drinking water? Seriously, how much does a litre of evian cost compared to petrol or diesel?
We are facing a serious shortage of water in the mmiddle east due to the conflagration of the major water sources with hydro electric dams which will in future drier years create conflict. There are so many areas where we as citizens of this planet need to pull together or end up fighting for a chance to live. What a tragedy it would be if we could not do that.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby pbacot » Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:53 pm

I think the carbon tax is an attempt to monetize the social (if we can call the demise of civilization social) costs of carbon emissions and making it possible for organizations to directly (indirectly?) offset their use of carbon with real (or imagined) mitigations, via cap and trade. Taxes are more often utilized to effect change (like the cigarette tax), which is debatable as a norm in our system. Anyway the carbon tax is a transparent and discreet mechanism with supporters and detractors along the spectrum, not just another amorphous conspiracy.

But I agree that once we make something a Tax we hand over the decisions and execution on what to do with the revenue to the governments which we may or may not trust. I'd like the factors that help change to stay more in the hands of the people.

A tax on water? I think the pressure on water is privatization and selling off our natural resources to the right wing oligarchs. Sure the politicians are helping to make it happen but to simply blame the government for everything as if the government were the source and not the tool of the greed and malevolence that stems from the heart of darkness, doesn't get you far. Talk about scams so is bottled water (Okay I've used bottled water, it's great in an emergency but--have you ever checked out hotel room bottled water over $7 depending on the hotel...usually just tap water shipped thousands of miles). It's a capitalist scam, nothing to do with taxes.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Mike Amos » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:19 am

Take a look at the number of companies involved in the supply of potable water, they claim investment is needed to secure our supply of clean drinkable water and put the prices UP. Where is the investment? The London circular water resovoir was funded nby the nation rather than the water companies and yet THEY put up the price for water rates as though they HAD. Take a look at farming in the downstream parts of the middle east and shortages are increasing year on year. We will face more and more cost for drinking water over the next ten years and it will be no joke then. http://www.middleeasterner.net/blog/201 ... iddle-east
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Mike Lucey » Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:38 pm

Mike Amos wrote:We will face more and more cost for drinking water over the next ten years and it will be no joke then. http://www.middleeasterner.net/blog/201 ... iddle-east


Ireland is in a mess with regard to the new Water Board was set up to centralise the charging for water. It hasn't worked as there has been a mass revolt across the country and more than 40% of users did not and will not pay.

It is not that folks don't want to pay for their use of water. I think it's more a case of them not wanting a centralised controlling system that could easily be sold off to big corporations.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Mike Amos » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:39 pm

No doubt where government would like to go. Public resources have been sold off for decades now.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Stinkie » Fri May 12, 2017 3:53 pm

And again ... one cannot make this sh*t up.

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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby pbacot » Fri May 12, 2017 5:53 pm

This administration ruins all the political dramas like "House of Cards" we were enjoying. Now nothing is too outrageous or outrageous enough to entertain. The shows are less enjoyable to watch, because calumny and calamity are real and sad, and everyday now.

Of course the real anti-hero is less a ruthless mastermind than a dangerous fool. Perhaps more like "Boss" or "Veep" than "House of Cards".
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Stinkie » Fri May 12, 2017 6:19 pm

pbacot wrote:Of course the real anti-hero is less a ruthless mastermind than a dangerous fool.


Sounds about right. From where I am standing, Trump distinctively looks like a complete dunce.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby pbacot » Fri May 12, 2017 8:19 pm

This is precious.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Stinkie » Fri May 12, 2017 8:43 pm

:lol:

This isn't bad either. From an interview with The Economist:
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby baz » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:17 pm

So. Two years to the month.

The USA has a climate denier as a Pres.
Meanwhile the US Military is seeking urgent funds to get out of the coming tide.
And too many corporations to mention are setting up for changing conditions.

My country, Australia, has the highest emissions per bod on the planet.
We nearly got the gov we needed. Instead we got the gov we deserved.
So Oz wont be helping any time soon.

If you could all somehow energize everyone in your community to this reality, I am sure a lot of people would get it, and into it.

And it has to happen quickly, because IMHO most of us have about (?) years before your power goes out.

Or do you believe in the 'BladeRunner' type world existence?
Did you know that (smart/rich) people have been buying up big in NZ?
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