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Postby baz » Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:56 pm

I turned 65 today and after a lifetime of trying to explain why we cannot continue to live like we do, I cannot understand why we don't see it.

The planet, by any scientific or empirical measure, is damaged now. Accept that.

This planet will be uninhabitable in 50 to 100 years by conservative estimates.
And perhaps less taking account of the 'tipping points', some say 20.

By uninhabitable I mean...

Europe freezing because of the ocean currents.
Equatorial becoming arid.
3 to 5 metre sea rise.
Massive climate migration overwhelming others.
Mass extinction OF Flora, Fauna and Humans.


Your children's children's will have a bleak future.

Your Great-grand Children will be hard pressed to stay alive, The planets' future is fucked.

At my birthday dinner tonight we talked about this...
...consensus was nothing will change, cos people wont.

Depressed Baz
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby pilou » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:39 pm

And this is nothing! :D
Have you thinked of the Univers in general ?
It's no more joyful for it! Big Crunch, Big Bounce, Big Rip, Big Freeze, Big Slurp... :mrgreen:
I wish that fortify simulate you! :fro:



and happy birthday! :enlight:
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby solo » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:10 pm

Well then....

Happy birthday to you.

The good news, wars in the future will not be fought over religion or oil, but over access to drinkable water.

Get a puppy and you'll feel better.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Rich O Brien » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:19 pm

Happy b'day Baz!

I think the next gen of young people will administer the most change. This planet is still largely run by the hippy/punk generation who have ties to fuel and weapons industry.

So they might be in for a few decades of manmade natural disasters but at least they seed the next gen approach to caring for the planet.

Or we end up finding out the earth is flat and where are simply in the matrix.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby solo » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:22 pm

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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby kaas » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:23 pm

Until shit really hits the fan - nothing big will change I'm afraid. Only after it's too late and the people in general are getting convinced there's a big problem, the politicians will dare to propose a more simple life and take real action.

Getting a kitten can't hurt either I think...

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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby pbacot » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:33 pm

I know how you feel. Don't exaggerate regarding timelines, it gives the deniers more ammunition. It looks really bad though, especially since November.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby baz » Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:58 am

Rich O Brien wrote:Happy b'day Baz!

I think the next gen of young people will administer the most change. This planet is still largely run by the hippy/punk generation who have ties to fuel and weapons industry.

So they might be in for a few decades of manmade natural disasters but at least they seed the next gen approach to caring for the planet.

Or we end up finding out the earth is flat and where are simply in the matrix.


A few decades? Some scientists are saying its already too late. And 20/30 years is way too late.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby baz » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:00 pm

pilou wrote:And this is nothing! :D
Have you thinked of the Univers in general ?
It's no more joyful for it! Big Crunch, Big Bounce, Big Rip, Big Freeze, Big Slurp... :mrgreen:
I wish that fortify simulate you! :fro:

and happy birthday! :enlight:
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Very Buddhist of you Pilou. (As in existential.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby baz » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:03 pm

solo wrote:Well then....

Happy birthday to you.

The good news, wars in the future will not be fought over religion or oil, but over access to drinkable water.

Get a puppy and you'll feel better.


So that's good news? And I agree, and after that? Don't you care?
(I do have a dog and she does make me feel better).
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby baz » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:05 pm

pbacot wrote:I know how you feel. Don't exaggerate regarding timelines, it gives the deniers more ammunition. It looks really bad though, especially since November.


Yes, Trump might prove to be the proverbial straw, tho' Obama couldn't do much against the entrenched interests for denial. Nor can our PM, Turnbull. He has just caved in on a carbon tax.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby baz » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:06 pm

solo wrote:human are a virus


Totally. And if you agree with this Solo, then you agree with me, there is no future.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby baz » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:10 pm

kaas wrote:Until shit really hits the fan - nothing big will change I'm afraid. Only after it's too late and the people in general are getting convinced there's a big problem, the politicians will dare to propose a more simple life and take real action.

Getting a kitten can't hurt either I think...

ps Happy birthday!


yeah, thats what i expect.
no cats, love em, but they are much too destructive to the environment.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby baz » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:14 pm

And thanks for all the Birthday wishes.
Not depressed now that I'm sober, just my usual pragmatic self.
See you all in hell. :fro: :enlight: ;)
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby pbacot » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:20 pm

baz wrote:
pbacot wrote:I know how you feel. Don't exaggerate regarding timelines, it gives the deniers more ammunition. It looks really bad though, especially since November.


Yes, Trump might prove to be the proverbial straw, tho' Obama couldn't do much against the entrenched interests for denial. Nor can our PM, Turnbull. He has just caved in on a carbon tax.


Really bugs me that they keep calling this proposed EPA wrecker a "climate change skeptic". He's a DENIER of science. Scientists are skeptics, and they work from observations. These guys aren't skeptics they're cynics and opportunists.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Stinkie » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:41 pm

pbacot wrote:These guys aren't skeptics they're cynics and opportunists.



Hear, hear. Me, I am tired of opportunist 'post truth' bs. Don't lie. Don't be a pr*ck. Keep the greater good in mind. Behave bloody responsibly.

Be a mensch, or at least strive to be one.


baz wrote:See you all in hell.


:lol:

There'd better be beer. And crisps. On a more serious note: the climate thing's got me worried, too. Same goes for the Trump phenomenon, the Brexit, and the rise of the nationalist right all over Europe.

Things aren't looking great. Then again, I turned 40 last week. Could be a case of old man grumpiness.

You kids get off my lawn!
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby jiminy-billy-bob » Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:09 am

I'm 26 and I don't want to procreate for this very reason... What's the point of creating a life in this context
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby jenujacob » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:14 am

Now would be a good time for those extraterrestrials to show up! Unless we humans stop feeling to be the centre of this universe theres nothing that can be done to stop our reckless behaviour to our planet and to our fellow humans!
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby jenujacob » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:16 am

jiminy-billy-bob wrote:I'm 26 and I don't want to procreate for this very reason... What's the point of creating a life in this context


Tahts too sad!!! U should have skattered ur seeds! We could have gotten more talented ruby coders for sketchup! :lol:
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Futurepast » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:37 pm

You have the forces on one side
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-phony-w ... 1477955418
vs. The forces on the other
http://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/t ... n-schmitt/
Each argueing over the impact of carbon dioxide in climate change. What they are arguing is fine except that they are not arguing about Methane.
Methane which accounts for only 14 percent of emissions worldwide, traps up to 100 times more heat than carbon dioxide over a 5-year period. This means that even though carbon dioxide molecules outnumber methane 5 to 1, this comparatively smaller amount of methane is still 19 times greater a problem for climate change over a 5 year period, and 4 times greater over a 100 year period.
To put it another way, any methane molecule released today is 100 times more heat-trapping than a molecule of carbon dioxide, or potentially even higher according to NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
With the UN establishing various tipping points for irreversible climate change damage on the horizon, it’s time that methane enters mainstream consideration. And better yet, the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) estimates that livestock production is responsible for 14.5 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions, while other organizations like the Worldwatch Institute have estimated it could be as much as 51 percent.
I say we tackle the Methane problem. Let’s all take a mallet and a bag of corks, and drive one up every cow’s ass! :)
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Box » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:12 pm

There were these three farmers that wanted to win the state fair contest for having the largest pig. They decide that they should stick a cork in the pigs arse and feed him for a month before the fair. The only problem was that none of them wanted to be the one to stick the cork in. So they bought a monkey and trained him to stick corks in bottles. After a week or two of this, they stick the monkey in the pen with the pig and a cork, and after a minute, the monkey did what he was supposed to do. The farmers fed the pig for a month and sure enough, they won first prize. Once they got home, they realized they still had to take the cork out. So they trained this same monkey to take corks out of bottles. They stuck the monkey in the pen with the pig, and the farmers woke up three days later in the hospital with a reporter sitting next to them. The reporter asked the first farmer, "What is the last thing you remember?" "Shit flying everywhere," the farmer replied. The reporter asked the second farmer the same question and got the same response. When she got to the third farmer and asked him what he could remember, he was laughing hysterically. The reporter asked, "What's the matter? What is so funny about being buried in pig shit" The farmer replied, "You shoulda seen the monkey trying to stick the cork back in."
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby pbacot » Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:07 pm

Futurepast wrote:You have the forces on one side
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-phony-w ... 1477955418
vs. The forces on the other
http://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/t ... n-schmitt/

To put it another way, any methane molecule released today is 100 times more heat-trapping than a molecule of carbon dioxide, or potentially even higher according to NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
With the UN establishing various tipping points for irreversible climate change damage on the horizon, it’s time that methane enters mainstream consideration.


but they are not all arguing with fact.

However statistics show that for food value, calories etc./ per carbon footprint animal products compare well with vegetables. At least I only remember the carbon footprint part... I wonder if the study has taken in account all climate impact, including methane.
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby utiler » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:59 am

Sorry to hear you were feeling down on your milestone birthday, Baz! Gee 65; I hope I get there....

Forget the puppy or cat; head down and guzzle a few beers at Pony Fish Island bar my fav when I come down to Melbourne. For those of you who don't know Pony Fish is a bar built on the pier of a footbridge over the Yarra river.

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And if the sea levels rise just walk back up to the bridge.....
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby baz » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:22 am

utiler wrote:
And if the sea levels rise just walk back up to the bridge.....


:lol:
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Gareth » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:21 am

With every disaster comes an opportunity.....

.....if sea levels rise substantially, someone who owns a property 2 streets back from the beach might eventually have a beachside property and the property value will increase...!! :lol:
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby juju » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:06 am

Gareth wrote:With every disaster comes an opportunity.....

.....if sea levels rise substantially, someone who owns a property 2 streets back from the beach might eventually have a beachside property and the property value will increase...!! :lol:

I don't think 2 streets back will cut it though (depending on topography), and imagine the view with so many dilapidated structures in the water. :?
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Mike Lucey » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:06 pm

Happy Birthday Baz and welcome to the pensioners club which I joined last year.

I think its too late to do anything about the sea level rises that are here and will continue. The only hope is to move to high ground and get on with it.

Check out how sea level rise will effect your house here, http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Mike Lucey » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:15 pm

I saw a documentary on the floods in Miami a few weeks ago. It seems the mayor of Miami is doing something about it but the Florida governor doesn't want to know about it.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mia ... &FORM=VDRE
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby Mike Lucey » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:05 pm

Futurepast wrote: Let’s all take a mallet and a bag of corks, and drive one up every cow’s ass! :)


Mike,

Its possible to collect the cow's methane and power equipment!

Cow.jpg


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... tions.html
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Re: a few thoughts about the future of this planet

Postby TIG » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:58 pm

To bring this back onto a more serious footing...

It is sad that some of you don't want to reproduce - just because you see that we are somehow doomed !
If you don't procreate, then the lesser enlightened human-families will continue, potentially with less-desirable results: and when the proverbial-hits-the-fan, then who will be there to try and sort out the mess ?
Your 'good' genes [and your 'nurturing'] are needed to sort out this supposed forthcoming mess [as opposed the the presumably less desired 'others'?] !
As sentient human beings we have a duty [IMHO] to leave the world a tiny bit better that when we arrived - failing that - leaving it 'no worse'.
So giving up on your 'gene-pool' is a cop-out.

Mankind has always proved itself to be ingenious is overcoming problems [I admit that many of its own devising!]
Surely 'we' can 'fix things' - if we have the will ?
Politicians are clearly crap at all of this - they are not interested in the long-term - just 'tomorrow'.
The recent sea-change in elections show that the people are not stupid.

The whole impending 'global-catastrophe' is perhaps over-hyped [by the media and self-interested 'experts'], but there are undeniable issues that must be addressed...
Even if you explicitly deny global-warming is 'man-made', then if we make sensible adjustments in our lifestyle it would do no harm ?

I assume that none of us wants to make things worse.

But making things better [even by a tiny amount] is within everyone's grasp.
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