The "Duh!" thread (aka the Doh! thread)

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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby xrok1 » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:04 am

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paulside wrote:Come on, Own up, how many of us have tried to orbit a jpg ! :roflmao:


Not being able to orbit in JPGS only illustrates their limitions. If we were an advanced society at all we would be able to this. :mrgreen:


and why do image files need to be rectangular?? it would eliminate the need for transparency if images could be irregular shapes, maybe even having holes in them. :enlight:
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby museummaker » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:48 am

Trying to orbit jpegs is just too funny. I do it all time.

I liken it to a nautical term "sea legs" if your on a boat too long you get used to moving with the rock of the ship and when you come aground you feel funy and walk like you had too much to drink. Trying to compensate for something that is not there.

When you try and orbit do you turn your head to the side and hope for it to work?
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby RayOchoa » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:18 am

Gaieus wrote:
thomthom wrote:...
Ever tried to undo a wrong stroke with the pen..? :oops:

Or with a girlfriend? :roll:

:roflmao: I never need an UNDO button :lol: :shock:
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby Gaieus » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:20 am

RayOchoa wrote: :roflmao: I never need an UNDO button :lol: :shock:

At YOUR age I didn't need any either. :roll:
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby broomstick » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:53 am

xrok1 wrote:and why do image files need to be rectangular?? it would eliminate the need for transparency if images could be irregular shapes, maybe even having holes in them. :enlight:


I don't understand this.. Can't you just apply an image to a face, and the edit that face?
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby thomthom » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:00 am

Gaieus wrote:
thomthom wrote:...
Ever tried to undo a wrong stroke with the pen..? :oops:

Or with a girlfriend? :roll:

:roflmao:
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby thomthom » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:01 am

Chris Fullmer wrote:
Daniel wrote:My second moment was embarrassing. I gave a short seminar to the local community design center on using sketchup, and I was explaining how SU will not cast shadows below the point of origin (default ground plane), and open a model to illustrate it, only to discover that SU had apparently fixed that (with version 7?).


Version 6 also let you cast shadows below the ground plane. At least the copy I'm running does?

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Same here. Though, you do have the setting in the Shadows Window "On ground" which makes SU cast a shadow on the origin plane. But shadows still appear below. Could be a graphic card driver issue.
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby pilou » Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:57 pm

Duhduh by missing to read the Documentation :roll:
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby Gaieus » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:02 pm

thomthom wrote:Same here. Though, you do have the setting in the Shadows Window "On ground" which makes SU cast a shadow on the origin plane. But shadows still appear below. Could be a graphic card driver issue.

Well, then I am now kind of confused. I definitely remember a certain issue when the modeller put the model (partly) under the ground plane and it was a long topic until we solved the problem that the shadows weren't cat properly.

If I have a look now, it's easy:
  • turn off shadows on ground
  • make a big,horizontal face below
  • turn on shadows on faces
Now why didn't this work back then? To tell the truth, I'm not experienced in this issue because I regularly build my structures above the ground level...
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby thomthom » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:07 pm

I can't tell for sure either. I usually keep above ground as well. And I started using SU during version 6.4, so perhaps it was an issue earlier...
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby dale » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:55 pm

My biggest Duh's always come when switching between Acad or Vectorworks to SketchUp (either direction) but mostly I am constantly looking for the tape measure in the cad programs.

Another Duh is finding that by holding the spacebar down you can control the zoom in so you don't zip past the object your zooming to.

However I do find myself in situations where I am trying to zoom into the back side of something I'm modeling trying to peer over it on the computer, as if I was looking over a fence.
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby pilou » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:15 pm

Duhduh line :mrgreen:
As a line can't be directly a component :roll:
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby Gaieus » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:22 pm

The funny thing is that it CAN be made a component. In fact, there are four ways to make a component (after you select the geometry):
  1. with the make component button in the Principal toolbar;
  2. from the Make component command from the Edit menu;
  3. through a shortcut (the default is G);
  4. finally from the context (right click) menu.
Now with a single line entity, only this latter (#4) doesn't work - all the three above (#1-3) do.

I would call it "major inconsistency"
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby david_h » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:33 pm

That begs the larger question. Why would you want to make a single line a component? :mrgreen:
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby Gaieus » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:40 pm

How about creating only "dummy" or "proxy" components?

The problem dosn't necessarily lie only here. The same goes with groups (only that there are only two ways of making them) and nowadays with SU autobreaking overlapping lines, you may wish to separate even single lines, too.

Also, any selection that only contains a single entity (not only a line) cannot be made a component (or group) this way. If you select a sphere (with a bounding box), there's a single "surface" selected only and you right click to turn it into a group/component in vain.

BUT if you select the sphere by triple clicking on it,it will autoselect and highlight the softened edges bounding the facets as well and there you go; you are now able to make a group/component. Note that the resulting group/component will be the same in either way you select them.
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby david_h » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:59 pm

proxies occured to me right after I posted this so . . .I stand corrected sir. :oops:

another D"UH moment for me.
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby NewOne » Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:02 pm

David_H wrote:That begs the larger question. Why would you want to make a single line a component? :mrgreen:

I will answer you to this the best I can:
Let's say I want to render some big repetitive scene (50000 dummy dolls, let-s say). Sketchup doesn't support so many polygons. So I will make some 2d representation of them and the high-quality component will be replaced when exporting for render (i use maxwellrender and it supports proxy_objects) ... but SketchUp is still unresponsive :? So what I choose? LINES !! YES :D if 50000 2d people are too many, 50000 lines are ok. And all that lines must be instances of the same component.
So... that's why you would make a line component.
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby pilou » Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:15 pm

Now with a single line entity, only this latter (#4) doesn't work - all the three above (#1-3) do.

I only use the right click ;)
That is the real big Duhduh of my day :lol:
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby thomthom » Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:26 pm

Pilou wrote:
Now with a single line entity, only this latter (#4) doesn't work - all the three above (#1-3) do.

I only use the right click ;)
That is the real big Duhduh of my day :lol:

Ditto Duh! Never occurred to me the behaviour would be inconsistent depending on where in the UI you looked.
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby Gaieus » Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:29 pm

Well, gentlemen, this is the grand "Duh" topic!
We are all "duh'hing" :roflmao:
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby thomthom » Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:42 pm

I believe this is one of the most useful threads on this forum.
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby Anssi » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:00 pm

My biggest "Duh" was looking at a roof tutorial made by Alan Fraser back in v. 3. days, featuring very clever uses of inferencing. Even Jim Holman from the then @Last admitted he didn't know inferencing could be used like that.

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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby Ecuadorian » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:37 pm

Any link to that tutorial? I still have lots of trouble with roofs... I often "cheat" using TIG's roof script, but sometimes you have to do it yourself.
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby dale » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:22 pm

This isn't the tutorial mentioned above, but it's worth the watch. From Adain Chopra, SketchUp team, and author of SketchUp for Dummies.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6WxE6oO3JU
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby Ecuadorian » Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:57 pm

Just had another big "Duh!" moment... I'm working on a house development and I couldn't understand why I had to correct both the left and the right sides of the main walkway several times... Until I realized they were mirrored instances... :oops:
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby •BTM » Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:31 am

Some of my first "d'uh" moments when learning about the middle button thing: when using the middle button, hold SHIFT to pan, or hold OPTION to allow the camera to tilt.

also a "d'uh" moment from long ago: holding OPTION when moving an object, push/pulling an object, or rotating an object, to duplicate it.

note: these are for mac. Buttons might be different on windows.
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby museummaker » Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:51 am

I just leaned this yesterday and I am kicking myself.

When selecting object I normally went with a box from upper right to lower left drawing a box around things.

Worked fine for months or years.

Try a sweep left to right going over the objects. It has a totally different feel and works like a charm, feels to me at least like it saves a lot of movement. I use a tablet, not sure if has quite the feel with a mouse but it works, try it if you haven't.

This thread is great, and so are all you good people on the forum. I learn something everyday I look here.

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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby •BTM » Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:02 am

MuseumMaker wrote:I just leaned this yesterday and I am kicking myself.

When selecting object I normally went with a box from upper right to lower left drawing a box around things.

Worked fine for months or years.

Try a sweep left to right going over the objects. It has a totally different feel and works like a charm, feels to me at least like it saves a lot of movement. I use a tablet, not sure if has quite the feel with a mouse but it works, try it if you haven't.

This thread is great, and so are all you good people on the forum. I learn something everyday I look here.

Thank you for all,


Right to left selects anything in or touching the selection box, left to right only selects things in the selection box. Is that what you meant? Because it works the opposite way you described for me. Right to left is useful for cleaning up lines after an intersection I find.
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby Teezer » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:10 am

I found out today that the rotate :rotate: tool does the same thing that the move :move: tool does when you hit the Ctrl key. It puts a plus sign next to the cursor and copies the rotated object, leaving the original in place.

Not that I have an immediate use for this -- I just hit it by accident, and there it was... :lol:
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Re: The "Duh!" thread

Postby •BTM » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:32 am

Teezer wrote:I found out today that the rotate :rotate: tool does the same thing that the move :move: tool does when you hit the Ctrl key. It puts a plus sign next to the cursor and copies the rotated object, leaving the original in place.

Not that I have an immediate use for this -- I just hit it by accident, and there it was... :lol:


•BTM wrote:also a "d'uh" moment from long ago: holding OPTION when moving an object, push/pulling an object, or rotating an object, to duplicate it.

note: these are for mac. Buttons might be different on windows.


I've had plenty of uses for it, my current WIP is 4-way symmetrical, and that makes it easier to place everything in the same place in all directions.
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