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Postby Dan Rathbun » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:20 am

    SketchUp Viewer Wishlist

    • A topic thread to post your feature requests / wishies, etc. for Trimble's SketchUp Viewer application.

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    For the general discussion topic: [talk] SketchUp Viewer.

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      Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

      Postby pbacot » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:34 am

      I wish the license displayed on the download page did not read "SketchUp Pro License"
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      Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

      Postby Dan Rathbun » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:46 am

      pbacot wrote:I wish the license displayed on the download page did not read "SketchUp Pro License"

      Well that's a webpage boo-boo. I reported it (and credited you for noticing it. I must have looked at that page 10 times today without seeing the license title.)

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        Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

        Postby pbacot » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:49 am

        Dan Rathbun wrote:
        pbacot wrote:I wish the license displayed on the download page did not read "SketchUp Pro License"

        Well that's a webpage boo-boo. I reported it (and credited you for noticing it. I must have looked at that page 10 times today without seeing the license title.)

        :roll:


        Thanks! somehow I couldn't resist. Some sort of smarty-pants syndrome.
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        Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

        Postby beginner » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:43 am

        Hi Dan,
        From personal experience and from watching our clients' 'habits' we would like SU Viewer to have the following:

        1. Select tool icon should be available like in SU
        2. Tape Measure tool icon should be available like in SU
        3. Protractor tool icon should be available like in SU
        4. Display Section Planes + Display Section Cuts tool icon should be available like in SU
        5. Dimension tool icon should be available like in SU
        6. Layers tool icon should be available like in SU

        NEW !
        7. Entity Info tool icon can be made to get some basic info.
        (we would prefer icon rather than context menu under 'mouse right click' - something similar to Model Info tool icon in SU)

        And the last request:
        - all icons should be loaded by default (no hidden options available) and
        - loose as many top menu items (especially all the duplicated by icons/toolbars)
        - keep File and Help

        At present we are asking anyone involved in our project (or 'happy to have a spin with our model') to download Free SU Version but:
        - they are overwhelmed with the amount of options available or
        - they are starting to change the model

        Reading my wishlist again, it sounds like completely NEW SU Viewer ;)
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        Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

        Postby Dan Rathbun » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:14 am

          Hey Gregory.. that hits alot of things that I noticed is missing from the SketchUp Viewer.

          In addition:

            8. Allow Viewer user to specify Units for the model, that apply to Dimensions and values displayed by the Entity Info inspector (that may differ from the units format the model was saved in.)

            9. Update Pages after a pan, zoom, orbit, etc., so that the Viewer user can tweak animations. (Currently when you change a view in a scenepage, switch to another scene, then switch back, the view reverts to it's original camera.)

            10. Implement basic Dynamic Component interaction, such as the InteractTool for onClick events, and Component Options dialog to change attributes.
              Users will want to change shingle type / colors, stucco color, door styles, etc. for dynamic components.
            11. Implement the DC Attribute Reporter so clients can output their desired settings to the architect / builder, for say a model of a Home, so that a quote can be returned to the prospective customer.

            12. Implement Annotation and Markup features, that can be saved out to a component file on a customer specific layer. (The file is returned, and can be imported into the author's skp file so he can see the notes, and redlines, etc.)

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            Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

            Postby Dan Rathbun » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:19 am

            beginner wrote:Reading my wishlist again, it sounds like completely NEW SU Viewer ;)

            Well maybe not. For Windows 6+.. perhaps an edition that leverages the Metro style of applications, that use Ribbon interfaces instead of the 20+ year-old "plain-jane" button bars.

            In this style of application the menubar is reduced to a single button.

            :arrow: To see what this might look like, see the MS Paint applet that distro's with Windows 7 (v6.1)

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              Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

              Postby Dan Rathbun » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:43 am

                13. Detect if the SketchUp Viewer is started from a Removable Drive, and save the settings to a .dat file (.plist file on Mac,) on the removable media with the binary files, instead of in the Windows Registry (or on the Mac workstation's hd.)

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                  Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                  Postby Dan Rathbun » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:53 pm

                    14. Read-Only Encrypted SKPV File Format

                    • ONLY the SketchUp Viewer can open this file format.

                    • ONLY the SketchUp Pro edition(s) can write out this format, ( ... but cannot open / edit a .skpv file.)

                    • A Protect feature that prompts the user for a password in the SketchUp Viewer, when a protected skpv file is opened. (The password is set when the file is created in SketchUp Pro.)

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                      Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                      Postby artmusicstudio » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:21 pm

                      one for the wishlist:

                      a shadow override function, so regardless of scene setting saved per scene

                      shadow can be switched on and off for working in scenes and saving pictures and videos.

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                      Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                      Postby pbacot » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:10 pm

                      Dan Rathbun wrote:
                        14. Read-Only Encrypted SKPV File Format

                        • ONLY the SketchUp Viewer can open this file format.

                        • ONLY the SketchUp Pro edition(s) can write out this format, ( ... but cannot open / edit a .skpv file.)

                        • A Protect feature that prompts the user for a password in the SketchUp Viewer, when a protected skpv file is opened. (The password is set when the file is created in SketchUp Pro.)

                        :idea:


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                        Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                        Postby beginner » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:14 pm

                        14. Read-Only Encrypted SKPV File Format
                        ONLY the SketchUp Viewer can open this file format.
                        ONLY the SketchUp Pro edition(s) can write out this format, ( ... but cannot open / edit a .skpv file.)
                        A Protect feature that prompts the user for a password in the SketchUp Viewer, when a protected skpv file is opened. (The password is set when the file is created in SketchUp Pro.)

                        Wow...
                        SKPV, similar to AutoCAD's DWF - supposed to be a Read-Only format like PDF to protect content from 'Copy and Paste'.
                        I'm not sure about the protection - people would come with own ideas to access SKPV file ;) (like they can access PDF or DWF).

                        The easiest way at present is to explode everything in SU and make one 'MASSIVE GROUP'

                        With regards to password - you could integrate ZIP Archive with Password when saving *.SKP file and UNZIP with Password when try to open.
                        SU + 7-ZIP = 2 in 1 :idea:
                        http://www.7-zip.org/
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                        Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                        Postby Dan Rathbun » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:23 pm

                        artmusicstudio wrote:a shadow override function, so regardless of scene setting saved per scene

                        This seems to work now until you switch to another scene. The Viewer does not "remember" the setting.

                        artmusicstudio wrote:shadow can be switched on and off for working in scenes and saving pictures and videos.

                        The Viewer does not save ANY TYPE of file currently.

                        Are you then requesting clients / users should be able to save scene images (unless the file is protected and the author has set some "save_images" attribute to false.) ??

                        I think writing out animation files, is something that should remain an editor only feature.
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                          Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                          Postby beginner » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:48 pm

                          Dan,
                          I think artmusicstudio is talking about 'Global Shadow Override Button' in SU Viewer (ON or OFF) regardless on how the SU Scenes are set - good idea. :thumb:
                          At present SU Viewer is reading Scenes settings set in SU.
                          If shadow was ON - is ON in the VIEWER - you cannot override the settings or update the Scene.
                          Of course you can Switch OFF but, is ON again when you jump to the next Scene which has shadow.

                          Dan, I agree with you on Animation.

                          Overall, SU Viewer needs to get few more buttons (ribbon would be nice) to have 'more room to maneuver'.
                          The buttons exist - somebody needs to switch them ON :D
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                          Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                          Postby Dan Rathbun » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:58 pm

                          beginner wrote:The buttons exist - somebody needs to switch them ON :D

                          Unfortunately.. they do not. The button and cursor images for the extra tools we wish for, have been stripped out of the program, as well as dialog resources for the Entity Info inspector, etc.

                          So they went just a bit too far with their scissors.

                          The native MFC toolbars are not resources, they are built "on-the-fly" using C++ code, so it would be difficult to insert new buttons onto existing toolbars.
                          The size of executable is much smaller, so I would imagine they stripped out code to support any tools that they did not intend the Viewer to have.

                          So.. we will have to rely upon the Trimble Team in Boulder to make changes. (Besides it is likely a violation of the EULA and copyright to distro any "hacked" edition.)

                          That's just the way it is ...

                          However I wonder if it would make more sense, to have the Free edition, just run in "Viewer Mode" when a read-only viewer file is opened. Meaning the app "remembers" UI setups for "Edit Mode" and "Viewer Mode" and any not-supported feature in "Viewer Mode" is either hidden or grayed out. The main menubar would be replaced with a smaller "Viewer Mode" menu, etc.

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                            Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                            Postby alexschreyer » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:42 pm

                            Great list of features already! One thing I have been missing ever since I used SketchUp to give a 3D presentation is a fullscreen option. This should be in all versions but can be really useful in the viewer.

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                            Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                            Postby beginner » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:39 pm

                            Hi Dan,
                            They have to strip the Full Version again but not too far :D
                            The Free and Viewer Mode (2 in 1) make sense - you would save SKPV in PRO Version and open in Free Version as View-Only. :thumb:
                            I have seen that somewhere. Can't remember where :roll:

                            Hi alexschreyer,
                            I would like to see the Full Screen 'button' in Full Version not just in Viewer - good idea :thumb:
                              AutoCAD - Ctrl + 0
                              Photoshop - Tab
                              Various Software including IE, FF and so on - F11
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                            we could have even more sophisticated button mode ;) Professional Mode :lol:
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                            Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                            Postby Dan Rathbun » Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:05 am

                            beginner wrote:I would like to see the Full Screen 'button' in Full Version not just in Viewer - good idea:
                              AutoCAD - Ctrl + 0
                              Photoshop - Tab
                              Various Software including IE, FF and so on - F11

                            Actually these are examples of special HotKey settings.

                            The base standard accelerator on Windows to toggle between Full Screen mode is ALT + ENTER (historical,) and later SHIFT + ALT + ENTER
                            If such a command is placed on one of the standard menus (MS usually puts it on the View/Views menu,) users can assign whatever hotkey they desire to it, for their own use.

                            You might see SilverLight apps allow ESC to exit from Full Screen mode, but this we cannot do in SketchUp, because the ESC key is the Tool reset key and "interrupter" Tool exit key (exit back to some edit tool, after suspending to say the OrbitTool.)

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                              Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                              Postby Dan Rathbun » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:57 am

                                Correction:

                                This MSDN page, which gives Guidelines on Window Frames for programming application, says that F11 should also be assigned as the Full Screen shortcut key.

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                                  Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                                  Postby brianb » Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:25 am

                                  It would be nice to be able to use a cut down form of viewer on an android tablet! (If we cant have the full program)
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                                  Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                                  Postby JClements » Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:27 pm

                                  An icon that plays the slide-animation. The user who is unfamiliar with SU should NOT have to be instructed on where to find this function in a menu.
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                                  Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                                  Postby Dan Rathbun » Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:22 pm

                                  beginner wrote:The Free and Viewer Mode (2 in 1) make sense - you would save SKPV in PRO Version and open in Free Version as View-Only. :thumb:

                                  Problem is we cannot install Free and Pro side-by-side on the same system, so the Pro version would also need to have "Viewer Mode".

                                  This has already been requested, especially for Pro network users with more installations than license keys.

                                  Some of the seats just want to open a model to view it or see a dimension, and do not want to "hold" one of the license keys (because they do not intend to do any editing.)
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                                    Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                                    Postby Burkhard » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:39 am

                                    -The Viewer as portable Version. I often have clients with reduced knowledge of installation Processes. ( or IT administration rights )

                                    -I have a linked Videobutton to Youtube, which opens in a Web Browser. A short documentation of what the Viewer is cabable would be nice to have.

                                    -A screenshotbutton ( save as jpg option )and a way to set arrows and text spaces. Sometimes it is unbelavable what clients are trying to explain ;)
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                                    Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                                    Postby Dan Rathbun » Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:01 pm

                                    Burkhard wrote:-The Viewer as portable Version.

                                    I can successfully run the Viewer off a thumb drive.
                                    (However it still writes settings into the computer's registry, rather than saving them on the thumbdrive. This is one of my FRs above.)

                                    Burkhard wrote:-A screenshotbutton ( save as jpg option ) and a way to set arrows and text spaces.

                                    Markup / Annotation features ?? (This is also one of the above FRs.)
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                                      Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                                      Postby Burkhard » Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:21 pm

                                      Yep, sorry Dan 12 and 13. Other words, same intensions.
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                                      Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                                      Postby Dan Rathbun » Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:49 pm

                                      beginner wrote:With regards to password - you could integrate ZIP Archive with Password when saving *.SKP file and UNZIP with Password when try to open.
                                      SU + 7-ZIP = 2 in 1 :idea:
                                      http://www.7-zip.org/

                                      I myself do use 7zip, it's nice.

                                      But SketchUp does not need it. It already has zip compression libraries included, that it use to read and write zip archives.

                                      SKM (material) files are zip archives.
                                      KMZ also are zip archives.
                                      As well as the new RBZ plugin archives.

                                      ... probably other file formats as well.
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                                        Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                                        Postby JClements » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:43 pm

                                        What if the .skp could have info stored in it (in its header?) such that when double-clicked to open it and SU or the SU viewer is not installed the user is given a menu to download and auto-install the Viewer?

                                        Update to message: I was thinking it would work in a way similar to when Flash was initiated. If a file was opened in your browser and the plugin was not installed, then a dialog would appear and the plugin could automatically be downloaded and installed.
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                                        Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                                        Postby Dan Rathbun » Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:02 am

                                        Yes this is already built into Windows. (But I am unsure of how the correct program is found. Perhaps a company has to pay Microsoft ???)

                                        I made a new textfile and renamed it "GeodesicDome.skpv", then clicked on it:

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                                          Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                                          Postby ginahoy » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:06 am

                                          This may not be the best place to ask this, but I just downloaded SketchUp Viewer. On the bottom of the license page (http://www.sketchup.com/intl/en/download/gsuviewer.html), the system requirements link appears to be broken. My system is a bit old, so if someone could point me to the Viewer sys requirements page, I'd be grateful. In case such a page no longer exists, here's a description of my system:

                                          WinXP (sp2)
                                          Athalon 64X2 Dual 4200+
                                          2MB RAM
                                          GeForce 7600 GS / 512MB
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                                          Re: [wishlist] SketchUp Viewer

                                          Postby beginner » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:15 am

                                          WinXP (sp2)
                                          Athalon 64X2 Dual 4200+
                                          2MB RAM
                                          GeForce 7600 GS / 512MB

                                          I assume you have 2GB RAM not 2MB RAM.

                                          SUV should work, just try.
                                          In the worst case scenario it wouldn't ;)
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